BF2S Forums nVidia guarentees it will win price/performance battle

Slayer wrote:

X800 (without any extra type) was a match for 6600GT. You compare a XT PE card wich was released when Nvidia already had the NV73 chipset released to a card that wasnt modified at any time after its release (NV45 chipsets 6600GT, 6800GT, 6800ultra).

in your link there arent any options to add a X800 XT PE card

Some interesting benches to the actuall HD4850 hype

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you said x800 series wasn't match for ultra

quote of you: X800 series was a match for a 6600GT, but not against GT or Ultra

of course the shitty plain X800 (known as X800SE) is slow.

edit: and about the 9800GTX being at same price as 4850, they actually are match in performance too. (benchies you posted).

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2008-06-26 05:43:58)

Slayer wrote:

I have never said that a 9800GTX ir faster... And as they hit the same price (over here in Gemany), it´s just personal preferences.

The X800 (no type) was ATI´s answer to the 6*** series of Nvidia. ATI released, like they do everytime, multiple tuned cards later, those were a competition for the non modified and already one year old Nvidia cards, true. But when the mentioned X800 XT PE hit the market, I already had a 7900GTX SLI system running fine and miles ahead of those cards.

sorry but I indeed got my X800 same time the 6800 Ultras came in stores. just so you understand. there was no 7 series in sight at that time.

edit: actually SLi was months away too. so you see. we both were the winners

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2008-06-26 05:56:45)

Slayer wrote:

X800 (without any extra type) was a match for 6600GT. You compare a XT PE card wich was released when Nvidia already had the NV73 chipset released to a card that wasnt modified at any time after its release (NV45 chipsets 6600GT, 6800GT, 6800ultra).

in your link there arent any options to add a X800 XT PE card

Some interesting benches to the actuall HD4850 hype

http://media.bestofmicro.com/G/V/113359 … 0-4850.gif
http://media.bestofmicro.com/G/W/113360 … 0-4850.gif
http://media.bestofmicro.com/G/X/113361 … 0-4850.gif

I don't get it, it's just as fast as a 9800GTX. But it is much cheaper.


£123
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … VI/HDMI%20(PCI-Express)%20-%20Retail

£182
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … l%20DVI%20(PCI-Express)%20-%20Retail

Not to mention that i'm guessing the 4850 is more overclockable (55nm)

and nVidia need to have the price of the GTX 260 at the same as the 4870 at least. But again, like the 9800GTX it's around £60-70 too much.

They need to slash prices, and slash it nao

Nice to see the 8800 Ultra still going strong

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-06-26 05:58:36)

Sorry Slayer, but you're off on the time lines.  The x800/850 series did come and compete with the 6xxx series from NV.  And to say they weren't competitive is just downright wrong as well.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati … /page4.asp

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio … p;Itemid=1

First to ''defect''?  (not exclusivly).

Last edited by Bell (2008-06-26 09:19:19)

Slayer wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Sorry Slayer, but you're off on the time lines.  The x800/850 series did come and compete with the 6xxx series from NV.  And to say they weren't competitive is just downright wrong as well.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati … /page4.asp

hm, the bench above is 2005, wasnt the NV43 chip already released late 2003? Maybe I´m wrong with the dates, but fact is, at time the 6*** and especially 6800 Ultra was released, no ATI card was nearly a match. With later X800 (blah blah) card, yeah, there was a competition, but before?! And not to mention later SLI (and I had a own 6800Ultra SLI running at those times)

Time line wrong or not, you're still wrong about the performance.  And while some of ATi's releases were later than they should have been, ATi has had a competitive product up until the 8 series release from nVidia.

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Slayer wrote:

I dont say ATI cards are/were not able to compete with NV cards, BUT Nvidia mostly releases there new cards month before ATI... when ATI comes around the corner with a match, it never took long until Nvidia brought out some new, and again way better cards. Thats the story since 2001.

With the new cards there are only two three bench that count imo, Crysis, UT2k8 and 3dmark vantage... But hey, we´ll all see how this saga continues

Still not true.  ATi blew NV out of the water with the 9700 and NV was playing catchup.  ATi released the 9800 on time and was still competitive if not in the lead.  The X800 was pretty much on time, and again competitive.  The X850 and X1800 series were a little late.  The X1900 series was a little late, and the X1950 was one time, but it was shortly after that when NV released the 8xxx series cards and ATi has been playing catchup.  Well, I'd say they've caught up.

Crysis is a valid benchmark because it really pounds video cards.  Bioshock and CoD4 are better benchmarks that UT, and Vantage is an absolute joke.

But as I see it playing out, NV has got to do some very serious price cutting to stay competitive this round.  Besides, I far prefer ATi drivers.  I've grown weary and tired of NV's drivers.

so would you guys recommend that i go with a 280GTX versus the 4870 seeing as how i have an nvidia board, QX6700, 1066 memory, and 30" monitor?

it looks like the big wins you guys are mentioning in the ATI camp are mostly price as i see the 280 still ahead of everything in pure performance.  i'm unsure what to do.

i'm upgrading from dual 7800GT in SLI (don't laugh - had them for 3 years now)

Last edited by CaptainSpaulding71 (2008-06-26 13:13:57)

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

so would you guys recommend that i go with a 280GTX versus the 4870 seeing as how i have an nvidia board, QX6700, 1066 memory, and 30" monitor?

it looks like the big wins you guys are mentioning in the ATI camp are mostly price as i see the 280 still ahead of everything in pure performance.  i'm unsure what to do.

i'm upgrading from dual 7800GT in SLI (don't laugh - had them for 3 years now)

280GTX has 1gig of memory right? Yes unfortunately if you will go with a 30" LCD you will have to spend more money and get 280GTX. 512 on the HD doesn't cut it anymore. Unless you're not as impatient as haffey who doesn't do full reformats of his system, wait for a 1gig version of HD4780.

Nvidia lost in midrange class:

http://www.hpm-computer.de/product_info … 512MB.html

http://www.hpm-computer.de/product_info … 896MB.html

Last edited by .Sup (2008-06-26 13:23:09)