BF2S Forums 9/11 all staged?

Marconius wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

As a guy who has spent some time around Blacksmiths,

My educated conclusion is that The Towers didn't Blow apart or melt at all but, it annealed.

The properties of the steel itself changed.   ( Through heating )

I would bet everything I own that is exactly what happened.
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Your Mom and Dad will appreciate your keen grasp of metallurgy science and

Guarantee you a swell birthday present from both of them

Annealed?  So you are speculating that all of the structural steel was heated and subsequently cooled to make it stronger prior to the collapse?  You amaze me with your keen grasp of metallurgical terms...

The ASTM E119 grade steel used in the WTC construction could've withstood the fire for a lot longer than it did.
The letter explaining why
Annotations also explaining why it couldn't have failed
Jet Fuel burns at 1500°C, and basic Iron-Carbon steel reaches it's eutectic state at about 1200°C, as defined in this Phase Diagram, and also dictated here.  The structural support steel is a lot stronger than basic Iron-Carbon steel, so eutectic phase change at 1500°C wouldn't have been very significant when compared to a melting point that's was 1000° higher than the constant temperature.

For what it's worth, here's a technical paper outlining a test of the very same steel construct exposed to high temperatures

1500°C or F??

I found - "Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F..." on the Internet.

Horseman 77 wrote:

Another observation I have is that the collapse of the buildings started exactly where the aircrafts impacts had cut through the load bearing sections of the Towers outer walls*.
It would have been tough to make the plane impact at just the right spot if charges had been placed also as the particular video implied. One video I watched at " shine boy's " suggestion said the planes were firing missiles during their terminal dive. I am aware there are many different conspiracy videos depicting the event so I apologize if I am not quoting from your  ( particular favorite ) or  ( Most Correct conspiracy video )

* I was told that the WTC Towers were some what rare as the load bearing was provided by the outer skin and not interior steel work.

<b>I was also told by an Engineer who surveyed the First attack damage  in 93 that
" They parked the truck in the wrong location because they became lost in the vast underground parking spaces " had they put it where it was planned to be, The tower would have come down in 1993.</b>

now go get your shine box...

horseman this here proves the towers wouldnt have come down with out carefully placed exploisives to the underground supports to bring this building down.   No plane or jet fuel caused the collapse.  and you prove it with this statement i bolded it for you..    2 "random airliners"  arent goin to hit just the perfect area to bring these buildings down, its not possible.   And remember im an explosives expert.   From stage effects, to fireworks, to demo.  all 3 building WERE broght down by DEMO.   that shit you can see with your own eyes. If those buildings would have fallen from the "weight"   it woulda taken 110secs or more.    they took 8.4 secs     FREE FALL SPEED.    How do you bring a building down at FREE FALL SPEED on TOP OF IT SELF?????    WITH EXPLOSIVES  you have to remove all supports for that debris to fall at FREE FALL.    Yes they talked about this in the vid,  they also said they talked to demo experts.  No i personally have blown up lots of things.   an to say that a fire from fuel or that BULLSHIT.  is all bullshit.  Watch the crashes OVER AN OVER AGAIN.  90+% of the jet fuel GOES IN TO FLAMES OUTSIDE THE TOWERS.            SO THOSE OF YOU THAT BELIEVE TERRORIST STILL DID IT.. GET BETTER FACTS,  GIVE ME PROOF.

=DBD=TITAN126 wrote:

DrakeRide55 wrote:

You have to be shitting me!  What a stupid topic!  Liberals -> Bullshit 24/7

LMAO so true.

The sheep can speak!

xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:

nelson496 wrote:

I've watched the video. Some things might make you think about it.  But this "9/11 staged" thing is too big of a secret for the government to keep.   9/11 happened.  It was a tragic day.  I don't think this video was a good way of showing respect to the people who lost loved ones on that day.  Some people who lost somebody probably found closures.  This video can open up some wounds.

I'm sure if they could keep the atomic bomb a secret they could keep this one

Not forgetting other shit like Area 51 .

splixx wrote:

=DBD=TITAN126 wrote:

DrakeRide55 wrote:

You have to be shitting me!  What a stupid topic!  Liberals -> Bullshit 24/7

LMAO so true.

The sheep can speak!

Did he really just say the sheep can speak?  Helpin me drive home the point that liberals are idiots!

Hi!
I have a question. Why are we arguing about if the towers collapsed from the planes or some explosives?

Shouldn't this thread be about if it all was done by terrorists or by the us government? I mean, if all this has been done by terrorists, and we assume that the towers collapsed from explosives, why didn't the terrorists make them collapse only by using explosives. Do you get what i mean? Or the other way around, if all was done by the government why didn't they only use explosives? If the intended to frighten the people, perhaps its more effective when they crash planes into the buildings?

Lets get back to that if it was done by the us or terrorists and so on and why and what and...

I mean that its really not important if they collapsed from the planes or not. The intrestng question is who and why it was done. And if there were explosives that made the buildings collapse, why they still used planes.

Last edited by xRay_swe (2006-02-28 16:00:32)

xanthpi wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

We need less people that will blindly be '100% sure' of anything. We live in a probablistic universe and no one person ever knows everything or even has access to the all the facts.

Maybe it really was Al Queda that carried out the attacks. Maybe it was the US government. Maybe it was some other third party.

We will probably never know.

Never believe anything 100%. Always be open to all opinions. Even those you don't personally agree with. You may be wrong.

Euthanise yourself now. You're too stupid to live.

Yeah, like whatever.

This alone puts all of the conspiracy bullcrap aside . People who join the CIA join because they love their country . It would take many , many , many CIA operatives to fill the building with C4 and blow up the buildings . First off there is no way in hell they could have pulled it off in 36 hours when they had that "clearing of the building " . Second where the fuck are you going to find 30-40 people who joined the CIA to protect the country backstab his fellow Americans and blow them up in the " interest of National Security " ??? Last but not least - how are you going to cover it up ? 24 anyone ?

=DBD=TITAN126 wrote:

DrakeRide55 wrote:

You have to be shitting me!  What a stupid topic!  Liberals -> Bullshit 24/7

LMAO so true.

dankassasin42o wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

Another observation I have is that the collapse of the buildings started exactly where the aircrafts impacts had cut through the load bearing sections of the Towers outer walls*.
It would have been tough to make the plane impact at just the right spot if charges had been placed also as the particular video implied. One video I watched at " shine boy's " suggestion said the planes were firing missiles during their terminal dive. I am aware there are many different conspiracy videos depicting the event so I apologize if I am not quoting from your  ( particular favorite ) or  ( Most Correct conspiracy video )

* I was told that the WTC Towers were some what rare as the load bearing was provided by the outer skin and not interior steel work.

<b>I was also told by an Engineer who surveyed the First attack damage  in 93 that
" They parked the truck in the wrong location because they became lost in the vast underground parking spaces " had they put it where it was planned to be, The tower would have come down in 1993.</b>

now go get your shine box...

horseman this here proves the towers wouldnt have come down with out carefully placed exploisives to the underground supports to bring this building down.   No plane or jet fuel caused the collapse.  and you prove it with this statement i bolded it for you..    2 "random airliners"  arent goin to hit just the perfect area to bring these buildings down, its not possible.   And remember im an explosives expert.   From stage effects, to fireworks, to demo.  all 3 building WERE broght down by DEMO.   that shit you can see with your own eyes. If those buildings would have fallen from the "weight"   it woulda taken 110secs or more.    they took 8.4 secs     FREE FALL SPEED.    How do you bring a building down at FREE FALL SPEED on TOP OF IT SELF?????    WITH EXPLOSIVES  you have to remove all supports for that debris to fall at FREE FALL.    Yes they talked about this in the vid,  they also said they talked to demo experts.  No i personally have blown up lots of things.   an to say that a fire from fuel or that BULLSHIT.  is all bullshit.  Watch the crashes OVER AN OVER AGAIN.  90+% of the jet fuel GOES IN TO FLAMES OUTSIDE THE TOWERS.            SO THOSE OF YOU THAT BELIEVE TERRORIST STILL DID IT.. GET BETTER FACTS,  GIVE ME PROOF.

If the collapse of the buildings was caused by explosives, they would have started collapsing from the point where the explosives were set off. This did not happen at the WTC, as you can look at any of the thousands of tapes of the collapse and clearly see the buildings start to collpase from the point where the planes impacted each. I really don't see what other proof you need. It's really common sense.

Watch the collapes in slow motion, the explosions start on the floors of the fire (where the planes hit)   the explosions then race down the building.   and for the demo, yes u can start from the top to the bottom, doesnt have to start at the bottom to the top.   a building hit by something would topple over.   no come down on themselves.   only a controlled demolision of the buildings would bring it straight down on top of it self

dankassasin42o wrote:

=DBD=TITAN126 wrote:

DrakeRide55 wrote:

You have to be shitting me!  What a stupid topic!  Liberals -> Bullshit 24/7

LMAO so true.

dankassasin42o wrote:

horseman this here proves the towers wouldnt have come down with out carefully placed exploisives to the underground supports to bring this building down.   No plane or jet fuel caused the collapse.  and you prove it with this statement i bolded it for you..    2 "random airliners"  arent goin to hit just the perfect area to bring these buildings down, its not possible.   And remember im an explosives expert.   From stage effects, to fireworks, to demo.  all 3 building WERE broght down by DEMO.   that shit you can see with your own eyes. If those buildings would have fallen from the "weight"   it woulda taken 110secs or more.    they took 8.4 secs     FREE FALL SPEED.    How do you bring a building down at FREE FALL SPEED on TOP OF IT SELF?????    WITH EXPLOSIVES  you have to remove all supports for that debris to fall at FREE FALL.    Yes they talked about this in the vid,  they also said they talked to demo experts.  No i personally have blown up lots of things.   an to say that a fire from fuel or that BULLSHIT.  is all bullshit.  Watch the crashes OVER AN OVER AGAIN.  90+% of the jet fuel GOES IN TO FLAMES OUTSIDE THE TOWERS.            SO THOSE OF YOU THAT BELIEVE TERRORIST STILL DID IT.. GET BETTER FACTS,  GIVE ME PROOF.

If the collapse of the buildings was caused by explosives, they would have started collapsing from the point where the explosives were set off. This did not happen at the WTC, as you can look at any of the thousands of tapes of the collapse and clearly see the buildings start to collpase from the point where the planes impacted each. I really don't see what other proof you need. It's really common sense.

Watch the collapes in slow motion, the explosions start on the floors of the fire (where the planes hit)   the explosions then race down the building.   and for the demo, yes u can start from the top to the bottom, doesnt have to start at the bottom to the top.   a building hit by something would topple over.   no come down on themselves.   only a controlled demolision of the buildings would bring it straight down on top of it self

You're right. A building hit by something would topple over. However, the cause of the WTC collapse was not the impact of the planes. It was the fires that burned throughout the buildings for around an hour. Any steel structure will collapse when it is exposed to fire, especially when it is still trying to hold up thousands of tons of a building. The steel does not have to melt in order for the building to collapse. The only thing that has to happen is a slight weakening of the steel. When one floor goes, the whole building is going to go.

Last edited by =DBD=TITAN126 (2006-02-28 17:51:58)

xanthpi wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

xanthpi wrote:

If you're not 100% sure that the WTC/ Pentagon/ etc attacks were carrier out by Islamic terrorists then I suggest you euthanise yourself without delay, in order to halt your genes in their tracks. Slit your wrists, take a whole bottle of sleeping pills and wash it down with bleach before hanging yourself, just to be sure. You'll be doing the world a big favour. We need less of your sort.

No, we need less people that will blindly be '100% sure' of anything. We live in a probablistic universe and no one person ever knows everything or even has access to the all the facts.

Maybe it really was Al Queda that carried out the attacks. Maybe it was the US government. Maybe it was some other third party.

We will probably never know.

Never believe anything 100%. Always be open to all opinions. Even those you don't personally agree with. You may be wrong.

Euthanise yourself now. You're too stupid to live.

It's funny how you talk about euthanising someone so calmly

Jesus Christams what did I start here ? Guys it's a joke . ALL conspiracy theorys are BS . Everything to UFO'S and Roswell , Kennedy Assasination , NOT going to the moon and now 9/11 . Why do they do this ? Why are there so many conspiracies ? It's all about the all'mighty dollar guys WTF ! T-shirts , stickers , mugs , toys , books , movies , sofwear , chat rooms with banners for ANY product ...................... it's all about money .
Millions and millions are made each year buy your utter stupidity . Kind of like church and Jimmy Bakker .

With both sides of the argument here just look at it this way . Do you honestly believe that in the 36 hours the CIA supposedly emptied out the WTC and planted bombs to kill thousands of other Americans ? .  Yes ? How about thousands of people from just about every part of the world risking WW3 all in one day ? Yes STILL ? Come one people please . Any side of the story can be laid out to make you believe what the creater wants if he's good enough . All of this is bullshit . Like I said before I just happened to stumble across this rediculous thread and happened to see what all the fuss was about and watch the moive . I'll say this though - these guys have talent . But don't spend a second on thinking about it - it's alllllllll bullshit .

One last tid bit for ya to chew on . People who join the CIA and FBI are volluteers . Do you honestly think Bush can order OR find 200 - 300 volluteers who are in the FBI or the CIA  who are willing to accept the task of killing thousands of fellow Americans destroying one of the worlds tallest buildings filled with thousands of other civillians from all over the world risking global war for the " interest of national security " ? Because 200 -300 people or more would be needed to rig the world trade center in the 36 hours they supposedly did it in . Hell perhaps even more . 

Do you honestly think there are 300 CIA operatives willing to kill Americans at all - please - pull your head out of your asses and go to bed . And yes , i know the video is free . Makes no difference .

JK