BF2S Forums U.S. Soldier Uses Quran for Target Practice

m3thod wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I don't see why this is a story. One braindead douche bag, probably representative of a small minority of the US armed forces, uses a Q'uran for target practice. Big wow. This story making the headlinges is an example of CNN bias, equal and opposite to that of Fox.

The potential wider repercussions that will emanate from the the actual ill thought out event.  And not to mention many seem to have the inability for many to grasp why this has consequences.

I know why this will have consequences but it is the same as publicising some rabid irrelevant imam saying something stupid and malicious in order to generate general anti-muslim sentiment.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-05-19 01:52:29)

Would I don't get is why people care. I mean most of the people against the US are also against religion. So how is this a bad thing. On this very forum the bible has been called a fictional collection of stories. So how is the Quran different and why should it matter what the soldier did to it.

Drakef wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

Would I don't get is why people care. I mean most of the people against the US are also against religion. So how is this a bad thing. On this very forum the bible has been called a fictional collection of stories. So how is the Quran different and why should it matter what the soldier did to it.

The Quran is absolutely no different. I enjoyed the thought of a Quran being shot, but its implications reach farther than an anti-Islamic act. This is not something the United States Army would want publicized, nor would the politicians relish the results of reactionary forces against the United States. It is a situation of a foreign soldier committing an act such as this in another country whose people and society he is meant to protect.

Why would the thought of a a book of religious text of which is revered by many people being shot be pleasurable? I don't get it.  I wouldn't be too impressed to see the bible being shot or indeed the Torah.  Why do people focus on the negative i.e. the people who use faith for their own personal political and financial ends?

Its entirely possible the Quran , Bible and Torah have been used to help people, i absolutely guarantee that the message in these books which you people despise have helped the poor, fed the malnourished and helped provide a heaven against an oppressor.  But no its destruction is a source of morbid gratification.  The religious texts go beyond a fairytale.

Last edited by m3thod (2008-05-19 12:59:17)

rawls2 wrote:

Would I don't get is why people care. I mean most of the people against the US are also against religion. So how is this a bad thing. On this very forum the bible has been called a fictional collection of stories. So how is the Quran different and why should it matter what the soldier did to it.

Coz the US went into Irak to liberate and declare freedom.....and not to riddle the shit out the personal faith of the millions of the people it had came protect from them there imaginary bombs.

rawls2 wrote:

Would I don't get is why people care. I mean most of the people against the US are also against religion. So how is this a bad thing. On this very forum the bible has been called a fictional collection of stories. So how is the Quran different and why should it matter what the soldier did to it.

youre about as smart as a sack of hammers.

CameronPoe wrote:

Drakef wrote:

I enjoyed the thought of a Quran being shot

???

I'm an atheist and I don't find someone urinating on the bible, farting on Buddhist scriptures, shooting at the Quran or shitting on the Torah in the least bit enjoyable. It's playground nonsense - not what one would expect of an adult. Your view on this really is quite moronic, uncultured, immature, vacuous, senseless and repugnant. Insulting people simply for the sake of insulting people is not clever, it's not big and it's not 'the grown up thing to do'.

It is not the act itself that impressed me, but the nature of the act. In that action, it is withholding the 'holiness' of the Quran and recognizing it as a mundane object. In the particular way that the soldier acted does not strike me as anything fantastic, if not "playground nonsense" as you put it well. I see no value in firing at a Quran particularly, but as a social statement, there is an interesting essence to it that intrigues me. It is well known that I am anti-religious, and that I view Islam as a repulsive, violent religion. Functionally, this act is definitely misguided, as I have clearly stated, for practical reasons of the situation; however, it is not necessarily wrong if viewed within the single context of a man firing at a book.

Perhaps I wrote too quickly in my initial post that did not fully explain my position, but I somehow doubt that even this will clear it up. We will likely still disagree at the day's end. I never thought that I would find myself at the end of one of CamPoe's tirades, but that is one particularly vicious statement you have made. Fuck you too, buddy.

God Save the Queen wrote:

well, soldiers arent there to make their own personal, social statements.  especially non commissioned officers.

It is not advisable to save time by only reading every other line. You might miss a sentence.

Drakef wrote:

Functionally, this act is definitely misguided, as I have clearly stated, for practical reasons of the situation.

Or two.

Drakef wrote:

Its implications reach farther than an anti-Islamic act. This is not something the United States Army would want publicized, nor would the politicians relish the results of reactionary forces against the United States. It is a situation of a foreign soldier committing an act such as this in another country whose people and society he is meant to protect.

Obviously, I supported the act (end sarcasm).

God Save the Queen wrote:

wow, another guy who hates religion.  rare around these parts.

You speak as if that were wrong.

Drakef wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

wow, another guy who hates religion.  rare around these parts.

You speak as if that were wrong.

Drakey your a nice bloke but your hate is misguided.

m3thod wrote:

Drakef wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

???

I'm an atheist and I don't find someone urinating on the bible, farting on Buddhist scriptures, shooting at the Quran or shitting on the Torah in the least bit enjoyable. It's playground nonsense - not what one would expect of an adult. Your view on this really is quite moronic, uncultured, immature, vacuous, senseless and repugnant. Insulting people simply for the sake of insulting people is not clever, it's not big and it's not 'the grown up thing to do'.

It is not the act itself that impressed me, but the nature of the act. In that action, it is withholding the 'holiness' of the Quran and recognizing it as a mundane object. In the particular way that the soldier acted does not strike me as anything fantastic, if not "playground nonsense" as you put it well. I see no value in firing at a Quran particularly, but as a social statement, there is an interesting essence to it that intrigues me. It is well known that I am anti-religious, and that I view Islam as a repulsive, violent religion. Functionally, this act is definitely misguided, as I have clearly stated, for practical reasons of the situation; however, it is not necessarily wrong if viewed within the single context of a man firing at a book.

Perhaps I wrote too quickly in my initial post that did not fully explain my position, but I somehow doubt that even this will clear it up. We will likely still disagree at the day's end. I never thought that I would find myself at the end of one of CamPoe's tirades, but that is one particularly vicious statement you have made. Fuck you too, buddy.

Religion cannot be violent unless practised to be violent.  It is man who is repulsive and violent.  If the concept of religion was never created do you really think we would have peace.  Some fucker would find another limp excuse to go on a slaughtering rampage.  Is it innate to hate? To kill? To conquer? Or do you need a book to tell you what to do?

I would tend to agree on that tenet. Men are repulsive and violent, and we will always have violence. I tend to disagree with those who believe that religion is the ultimate evil. However, there is much I do disagree with about religion, particularly philosophically and logically. Religion is merely an extension or tool for men to act immorally, and that is why religion has its reputation. We can claim religion its purest form is non-violent, but its use by men produces so much violence and hatred. There cannot be religion practiced as meant to be. Thus, we must blame the religion that allows for justifications of these excesses of men.

chittydog wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/05/17/iraq.quran/index.html

CNN wrote:

The U.S. military on Saturday formally apologized to an Iraqi village after a soldier admitted using the Quran -- Islam's holy book -- for target practice.

Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Hammond apologizes after a soldier admitted using the Quran for target practice.
.....  ... the Quran" and "America out, out."

Come on. It's because of stuff like this...    ....  I hope he thinks long and hard about the ramifications of his actions and how many new recruits the insurgents will get from this.

Meh, they burn our Flag and effigies of our leaders, we shoot their book... Who cares.  I would have called their police guy a liar and been done with it.  If he wouldn't shut up I tell everyone that for the last two weeks he'd been eating pork with the troops in the barracks.

How many new recruits?  Again who cares.  If they were gonna join it isn't really because of that.

What this should do is illustrate (cartoon reference) how fucked up Muslims in general are.  But does this happen? NOOOoooo.  The media and muslim radical sympathisers alike attack the good guys.  How about getting pissed off at decapitated hostages or something for a change?  Where was the outcry then?  Old news?

Or you could try not needlessly antagonising them.

But hey, why let common sense get in the way of a violent solution!

rawls2 wrote:

Would I don't get is why people care. I mean most of the people against the US are also against religion. So how is this a bad thing. On this very forum the bible has been called a fictional collection of stories. So how is the Quran different and why should it matter what the soldier did to it.

I'm not anti-religion.  Some of the people I most respect are Christian.  I get upset when they're needlessly attacked.

Last edited by ZombieVampire! (2008-05-19 18:50:14)

There has only ever been one serious issue related to Islam, and it was the cartoons which were drawn up specifically to attack it.