Wtf? m3thod is back, lol. Welcome back buddy.
Do you not know who L Paul Bremer is? Rumsfeld? The Provisional Iraqi government? as far as military action is concerned, It was a stunning success against the Iraqi military. As far as occupation is concerned, it has been catasrophic for coalition forces.
Huge success, with the barrel of oil at USD 120.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
The Iraq War was a success in every way you measure a war.
" they dont want your playboy and MTV. "
ok, we shall see. Its a known fact that many who have come over here to " Wage Holy War on our soil ", just bagged it once the had a taste of America.
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the iraq war has almost nothing to do with the current price of oil
$4.09 a gallon here...sergeriver wrote:
Huge success, with the barrel of oil at U$S 120.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
The Iraq War was a success in every way you measure a war.
" they dont want your playboy and MTV. "
ok, we shall see. Its a known fact that many who have come over here to " Wage Holy War on our soil ", just bagged it once the had a taste of America.
might as well pull out, the iraqis are ungrateful, and their oil wells are almost dry...
2003 USD 25God Save the Queen wrote:
the iraq war has almost nothing to do with the current price of oil
2008 USD 120
Right.
blame the price of oil on India and China.
That helped too, but you can't deny the war was a key factor.God Save the Queen wrote:
blame the price of oil on India and China.
Many have said that peak oil was in 2005, and as demand increases, and supply levels off and begins to decline, we're just at the beginning. I'm not sure if it would be any different had we not gone into a war with Iraqsergeriver wrote:
2003 USD 25God Save the Queen wrote:
the iraq war has almost nothing to do with the current price of oil
2008 USD 120
Right.
no it didnt help and yes I am denying that the war was a key factor. Indian and Chinese economic expansion at levels unheard of in human history is why oil costs so much. The iraq war might have given bumps to the price now and again with the passed 5 years but only for the stock markets. OPEC releases oil at their leisure. China and India are eating it up. OPEC is deciding the price. Despite what many probably believe, as long as the US military has been occupying Iraq, investors havent been worrying about Iraqi stability except when they could use it as an excuse to raise the price.sergeriver wrote:
That helped too, but you can't deny the war was a key factor.God Save the Queen wrote:
blame the price of oil on India and China.
OPEC is the one that has the world by the balls, dont blame the US. The world doesnt evolve around the United States 24/7
I don't blame the US, I blame GWB. He created a whole war just to help corporations like Halliburton and major oil Companies. Yes, the war had a major impact on the price of the barrel of oil. Don't trust me, trust Joseph Stiglitz.God Save the Queen wrote:
no it didnt help and yes I am denying that the war was a key factor. Indian and Chinese economic expansion at levels unheard of in human history is why oil costs so much. The iraq war might have given bumps to the price now and again with the passed 5 years but only for the stock markets. OPEC releases oil at their leisure. China and India are eating it up. OPEC is deciding the price. Despite what many probably believe, as long as the US military has been occupying Iraq, investors havent been worrying about Iraqi stability except when they could use it as an excuse to raise the price.sergeriver wrote:
That helped too, but you can't deny the war was a key factor.God Save the Queen wrote:
blame the price of oil on India and China.
OPEC is the one that has the world by the balls, dont blame the US. The world doesnt evolve around the United States 24/7
This war has been particularly hard on the economy because it led to a spike in oil prices. Before the 2003 invasion, oil cost less than $25 a barrel, and futures markets expected it to remain around there. Yes, China and India were growing by leaps and bounds, but cheap supplies from the Middle East were expected to meet their demands. The war changed that equation, and oil prices recently topped $100 per barrel.
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these terrorists that have you shitting your pants are hardly a drop of water in the ocean. youre a thousand times more likely to accidentally slip and kill yourself in the shower than you are to be killed in a terror attack on american soil.lowing wrote:
Nope Cam, I don't. I just feel whatever the solution is, it should not reflex weakness, appeasement, collaboration, negotiation, and submissivness toward such an enemy. Anything like this will be exploited to a damaging level by the terrorists. It is bad enough that the terrorists see us fighting each other over THEM more than we are actually fighting them. This is my problem. Unification by all countries against this bullshit is the way to defeat terrorism. No safe harbor for terrorists, no safe harbor for terrorists money.CameronPoe wrote:
I'm sure lowing will be along with a solution any minute now Serge.
Feel free to respond to this...................................................or not.
Which wasn't the primary reason for strategic bombing in WW2. Destruction of Nazi warmaking capability was...and it succeeded at that.God Save the Queen wrote:
you must also know that the strategic bombing campaigns of WW2 over nazi germany were found to be ineffective in breaking the will of the german people and stiffened their resistence.
/derail
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Aye aircraft factories, weapons plants, synthetic fuel facilities.FEOS wrote:
Which wasn't the primary reason for strategic bombing in WW2. Destruction of Nazi warmaking capability was...and it succeeded at that.God Save the Queen wrote:
you must also know that the strategic bombing campaigns of WW2 over nazi germany were found to be ineffective in breaking the will of the german people and stiffened their resistence.
/derail
/further derailment
I don't understand though how one country that produces oil, and not the biggest oil producer at any rate can be the sole reason for oil prices to have risen. In comparison to somewhere like Russia, Iraq is like a puddle of oil.
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I agree, in fact the Iraq war was won in record time. The Americans won every battle in Vietnam too absolutely trounced the NVA in every battle. How did that turn out? The larger picture of the eventual fallout of the Iraq war and its aftermath doesn't look to rosy. One word. Iran.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
The Iraq War was a success in every way you measure a war.
I don't doubt it. A capitalist society has its perks. But not all are swayed by alcohol and pornography.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
ok, we shall see. Its a known fact that many who have come over here to " Wage Holy War on our soil ", just bagged it once the had a taste of America.
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Land mass is not reflective of the oil reserves of a country.M.O.A.B wrote:
Aye aircraft factories, weapons plants, synthetic fuel facilities.FEOS wrote:
Which wasn't the primary reason for strategic bombing in WW2. Destruction of Nazi warmaking capability was...and it succeeded at that.God Save the Queen wrote:
you must also know that the strategic bombing campaigns of WW2 over nazi germany were found to be ineffective in breaking the will of the german people and stiffened their resistence.
/derail
/further derailment
I don't understand though how one country that produces oil, and not the biggest oil producer at any rate can be the sole reason for oil prices to have risen. In comparison to somewhere like Russia, Iraq is like a puddle of oil.
Iraq has the third largest proven reserves of oil. Russia is in 8th place. Iraq's problem is getting it out of the ground and supplying it.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/reserves.html
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
only reason I brought up nazi germany was because somebody wanted to tout the effectiveness of the bombing campaigns over germany and compare it to attacking iraq.
As far as I know, the American daylight bombing campaigns over german in ww2 were not effective. The factories still continued to churn their wares, the german people got tougher in their fighting, and, from the numerous books Ive read, the 50,000 plus dead airmen were not worth the cost in the long of run of shutting down a factory here or there for a few hours or days at a time.
As far as I know, the American daylight bombing campaigns over german in ww2 were not effective. The factories still continued to churn their wares, the german people got tougher in their fighting, and, from the numerous books Ive read, the 50,000 plus dead airmen were not worth the cost in the long of run of shutting down a factory here or there for a few hours or days at a time.
If we just leave at once, some religious bullshits will take over and turn it into the Islamic Emirate of Iraq, and then secularism in the middle east dies. Saddam had a secular nation and whatnot, even though he was a brutal assfuck.
You're both right. It was pretty much a mix of both of these things. Or... pardon the cliche, it was a "perfect storm" for oil price spikes.sergeriver wrote:
That helped too, but you can't deny the war was a key factor.God Save the Queen wrote:
blame the price of oil on India and China.
Another thing not often mentioned is the fact that refinery infrastructures have not expanded to match increases of oil demands throughout various countries.
For example, in the U.S., most if not all of our refineries are operating at full or near-full capacity. Our petroleum consumption has increased as our population has (and our commutes have), but we haven't built any new refineries for well over a decade. The reasons for this are because of environmental regulations and politics. Refineries pollute A LOT. The areas that already have refineries suffer the effects of greatly increased air pollution, and there's often a pungent smell in the air. So, obviously, no one wants these things in their own backyard, but they still want them somewhere, so that we can keep up with our oil demands.
At some point, we're going to need to build more of these refineries, and about the only way I could see this happening is if we institute reforms on the emissions standards for refineries. It is possible to design refineries so that most of the pollution is caught by smokestack "scrubbers." The problem is actually getting them installed on refineries because the companies don't want to soak the costs of them and of increased regulation.
The Democratic U.S. Congress pulled the Funding from South Vietnam after the " Vietnamazation " so the whole strategy, electronic sensor systems "Igloo White " was wasted.m3thod wrote:
I agree, in fact the Iraq war was won in record time. The Americans won every battle in Vietnam too absolutely trounced the NVA in every battle. How did that turn out? .Hunter/Jumper wrote:
The Iraq War was a success in every way you measure a war.
They still hung on a long time after we left. So the Left Didn't End the War in Vietnam, It did continue.
Our efforts there were undermined.
Wars aftermath should look Rosy, This explain a lot of our differences, What is lets say after a long Two front War our biggest ally turned on us and enslaved half of a continent for half a century, Would that be termed a Rosy aftermath ?m3thod wrote:
The larger picture of the eventual fallout of the Iraq war and its aftermath doesn't look to rosy. One word. Iran..
Hunter/Jumper wrote:
ok, we shall see. Its a known fact that many who have come over here to " Wage Holy War on our soil ", just bagged it once the had a taste of America.
So Capitalism offers only " alcohol and pornography " It always helps to state your real point of view. It really explains a lot. Is that what Capitalism looks like to a Marxist Socialist ?m3thod wrote:
I don't doubt it. A capitalist society has its perks. But not all are swayed by alcohol and pornography.
You realize the Nixon administration was largely responsble for "Vietnamization"
also, do you honestly think 2 years is a "long time"? I sure dont.
also, do you honestly think 2 years is a "long time"? I sure dont.
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The sooner Iran is neutralized the better for all civilization.
in a War with china and the USSR backing one side wtf ?God Save the Queen wrote:
You realize the Nixon administration was largely responsble for "Vietnamization"
also, do you honestly think 2 years is a "long time"? I sure dont.
the sooner people that think like you get out the present leadership of the country, the better for America.
a whole 3000 chinese troops during th entire course of the indochina war (30+ years). Oh yeah, Vietnam and China were fighting each 4 years after the fall of saigon.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
in a War with china and the USSR backing one side wtf ?God Save the Queen wrote:
You realize the Nixon administration was largely responsble for "Vietnamization"
also, do you honestly think 2 years is a "long time"? I sure dont.