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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Actually, there is an important question here:

If as is stated in the video (by reputable sources) AQ attacked the US on 9/11 because of 'the Palestinian problem', why isn't the US changing it's policy of support for Israel?

Because AIPAC is very powerful.

So the opinions of a lobby group are more important than national security?

The jewish lobby control america. You cannot be president of America unless you support AIPAC. The jewish lobby is what americans should be scared of,not sharia law ccoming in, but zionists controlling ever aspect of Ameriacn law.

The reason of this post was because a lot of Americans i have asked on others forums why America was attacked on 9/11, most of them would say "the terrorists hate Americas freedom/way of life, which is entirely nonsense and hiding from the truth.

i also agree, talking with a group like Al Qaeda is not on the cards. the taliban,hamas and other militia groups should be sat down and talked to, just like in Northern Ireland to disarm them.Al Qaeda are on a different level . Its possible but EVERYONE must talked to and no isolated, Like whats being done to hamas at the moment

rammunition wrote:

The reason of this post was because a lot of Americans i have asked on others forums why America was attacked on 9/11, most of them would say "the terrorists hate Americas freedom/way of life, which is entirely nonsense and hiding from the truth.

i also agree, talking with a group like Al Qaeda is not on the cards. the taliban,hamas and other militia groups should be sat down and talked to, just like in Northern Ireland to disarm them.Al Qaeda are on a different level . Its possible but EVERYONE must talked to and no isolated, Like whats being done to hamas at the moment

Al Qaeda does hate the US and Western way of life, because it doesn't conincide with their idea's. Plus sitting down and talking wiht them will never work, onyl thing I would advise in that situation is to organise a meet with one of the high ranking individuals and then take him down as soon as he appears. These people would rather blow themselves up than talk.

rammunition wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

rammunition wrote:

sorry to tell you but i have work, college and a SOCIAL LIFE to get on with.

unlike other people who sit on their computers all day living on the dole

lolwut

whats funny?

You say that but spend a lot of time yourself drilling up anti-US threads and information.

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2008-05-07 13:38:52)

M.O.A.B wrote:

rammunition wrote:

The reason of this post was because a lot of Americans i have asked on others forums why America was attacked on 9/11, most of them would say "the terrorists hate Americas freedom/way of life, which is entirely nonsense and hiding from the truth.

i also agree, talking with a group like Al Qaeda is not on the cards. the taliban,hamas and other militia groups should be sat down and talked to, just like in Northern Ireland to disarm them.Al Qaeda are on a different level . Its possible but EVERYONE must talked to and no isolated, Like whats being done to hamas at the moment

Al Qaeda does hate the US and Western way of life, because it doesn't conincide with their idea's. Plus sitting down and talking wiht them will never work, onyl thing I would advise in that situation is to organise a meet with one of the high ranking individuals and then take him down as soon as he appears. These people would rather blow themselves up than talk.

rammunition wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

lolwut

whats funny?

You say that but spend a lot of time yourself drilling up anti-US threads and information.

i said you can't talk with Al Qaeda but can with other smaller groups. Do they hate the america "way of life". Maybe so, but that wasn't the reason they attack america on 9/11, as is being said by many Americans.


minutes isn't a lot of time is it?

and i don't know if you live in england but "dole" means "jobs seekers allowance". Which is £40 weekly payment to for jobless people

SgtSlutter wrote:

rammunition wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

I love how he never posts again in his threads.

Can't handle the heat? Don't make fucking worthless threads.

sorry to tell you but i have work, college and a SOCIAL LIFE to get on with.

unlike other people who sit on their computers all day living on the dole

Clown College?

no, if you don't know im 19, and am studying mechanical engineering. doing an advanced diploma in engineering and technology

rammunition wrote:

SgtSlutter wrote:

rammunition wrote:

sorry to tell you but i have work, college and a SOCIAL LIFE to get on with.

unlike other people who sit on their computers all day living on the dole

Clown College?

no, if you don't know im 19, and am studying mechanical engineering. doing an advanced diploma in engineering and technology

I thought for sure you would be majoring in political science since you have shown yourself to be a master in the topic.

Last edited by SgtSlutter (2008-05-07 14:04:02)

SgtSlutter wrote:

rammunition wrote:

SgtSlutter wrote:

Clown College?

no, if you don't know im 19, and am studying mechanical engineering. doing an advanced diploma in engineering and technology

I thought for sure you would be majoring political science since you have shown yourself to be a master in the topic already.

don't worry, im getting there.

rammunition wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

I love how he never posts again in his threads.

Can't handle the heat? Don't make fucking worthless threads.

sorry to tell you but i have work, college and a SOCIAL LIFE to get on with.

unlike other people who sit on their computers all day living on the dole

Sorry to inform, i'm doing my A-Levels. And i work. And i go out (rather too much atm)

FatherTed strikes again


edit - O FFS you're banned arnt ya.

Last edited by FatherTed (2008-05-07 17:01:15)

rammunition wrote:

ATG wrote:

rammunition wrote:

just watch the video, first link IF you can handle it

No.

Your history is of spit spraying anti U.S. garbage.

You bump you own thread 2 minutes after you posted it?


You sir, are pretty much an idiot.

people like you need to get their heads out their arse and see the reality

I clicked on the link, got an ID-10T error...



EDIT: oic... hes banned

Last edited by (T)eflon(S)hadow (2008-05-07 17:44:02)

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

If I am to believe what I read, I believe it's something like "to lift the word of God, to make His religion victorious".

I.e. to spread the Islamic faith to the whole world.

Why is it obtainable? Everything is obtainable if you're willing to take the neccessary actions.


In AQ's case, the neccessary actions are 'by any means, including violence'.


In the US's case, the neccessary actions are 'sitting round the negotiating table'.

So, basically, you're saying we should convert to Islam to appease them.  Sorry, no thanks.

No, where did I say that?

Negotiating doesn't mean giving in to all their demands, it's means sitting down, talking and trying to reach a compromise.

The problem with the 'no negotiation' mind-set is that it is exactly the same as the terrorists attitude.

Both sides are working from a position where only and exactly what they want is acceptable - both sides want to win in a situation where neither can.

Compromise seeks to find a win-win solution.

What about AQ even hints at their willingness to negotiate in the manner you suggest?

I guess it's an issue of trust.  I don't see how you can even begin to trust someone like OBL.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I guess it's an issue of trust.  I don't see how you can even begin to trust someone like OBL.

Again that's exactly the attitude the British government once had regarding people like Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness.

Ok, IRA wanted land back.  Al Quida wants Islamic domination over the world.  Where is the equivalency?

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Again that's exactly the attitude the British government once had regarding people like Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness.

Ok, IRA wanted land back.  Al Quida wants Islamic domination over the world.  Where is the equivalency?

The equivalency is that they're terrorists. The cause is irrelevant. I use the IRA as an example because it's the one I know the most about, but there are others - the PLO, ETA and the ANC for example - all cases of where negotiation worked.

As Pug mentioned earlier, the cause DOES matter.  If the cause is insane and impossible to fulfill, then no negotiation is possible.  AQ has no interest in peace, and I really don't understand what makes you feel otherwise.  There really is no evidence to support your view on this, because the analogies you've given are not relevant.

You'd have to provide evidence that AQ specifically wants peace via a feasible demand.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

The equivalency is that they're terrorists. The cause is irrelevant. I use the IRA as an example because it's the one I know the most about, but there are others - the PLO, ETA and the ANC for example - all cases of where negotiation worked.

As Pug mentioned earlier, the cause DOES matter.  If the cause is insane and impossible to fulfill, then no negotiation is possible.  AQ has no interest in peace, and I really don't understand what makes you feel otherwise.  There really is no evidence to support your view on this, because the analogies you've given are not relevant.

You'd have to provide evidence that AQ specifically wants peace via a feasible demand.

No, the analogies do stand - the IRA demands were 'insane and impossible to fullfil' - there was never any way that Northern Ireland was going to be given back to the republic.

How do you know AQ has no interest in peace?

They offered Europe a truce after the Madrid bombing.

Is a truce not peace?

It sounds more like an ultimatum.  Is a surrender not peace?