BF2S Forums America's going down, faster than you thought

TheAussieReaper wrote:

The next likely to be a big player is China. If it can hold onto enough resources.

FEOS wrote:

TSI wrote:

According to CNN, over 70% of Americans think things are bad in the US. Source
Does this reflect reality? Is America really going down, sooner than most thought? Or is it simply mass-media blowup again?
Your thoughts.

It doesn't reflect reality. It reflects that over 70% of Americans let the media think for them instead of thinking for themselves.

FEOS wrote:

TSI wrote:

According to CNN, over 70% of Americans think things are bad in the US. Source
Does this reflect reality? Is America really going down, sooner than most thought? Or is it simply mass-media blowup again?
Your thoughts.

It doesn't reflect reality. It reflects that over 70% of Americans let the media think for them instead of thinking for themselves.

Turquoise wrote:

About 30% of Americans approve of Bush's job performance.  Coincidence?  I think not.

Bertster7 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

TSI wrote:

According to CNN, over 70% of Americans think things are bad in the US. Source
Does this reflect reality? Is America really going down, sooner than most thought? Or is it simply mass-media blowup again?
Your thoughts.

It doesn't reflect reality. It reflects that over 70% of Americans let the media think for them instead of thinking for themselves.

Things ARE bad in the US. That's not in question.

Sub-prime mortgages, credit crunch, massive economic downturn - that is things going badly. It's not the end of the world, but it is definitely bad.

Trying to deny something so outrageously obvious would just be stupid. So, 30% of Americans must be stupid by the results of that survey.

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Marinejuana wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Did I say there wasn't a problem? No.

I said it's not nearly as bad as the media portrays it. They put the bad news up because it sells. The Dow finished above 13,000 this week. The dollar gained ground on the euro, pound, and yen. Oil prices dropped. The job report wasn't as bad as the analysts had predicted.

Did any of that make the news? No.

If you had seen that in addition to the other news, would you think it's as bad as you do? I'd bet not.

And as for blaming the US for the UK's woes...doesn't really apply in a global economy.

this is such fuzzy regurgitated logic. the media just sells fear? thats the whole agenda? okay, lol. they also sell an awful lot of false hope, how do u explain that?

the media never even addresses the issue as a whole. in every sense, the independent families of america are losing their bargaining power and losing their rights. we were once a nation owned, run and protected by the people. throughout the last century, everything that we owned has been systematically sold to the same diaspora of stockholders/corporations that also own the media. now the average american has little or no stake in the infrastructure that they depend on each day to survive. we live on borrowed time, or in other words, on highly temporary and disposable loaned food and shelter, with no personal access to the source. despite the fact that all american cities are about 48 hours from starvation on any given day, we still consider ourselves relatively wealthy because we have been playing in the safety net since birth and dont realize the inherent vulnerability of our import driven lifestyle.

this was made possible by some banking acts (from ~1910) that essentially made it legal for our top tier banks to create currency out of nothing. this fake wealth has been used to exchange everything of value, in terms of infrastructure, from private hands to the hands of an empire that now exists on a larger scale than any of the geopolitical empires that we learned about in public education. and this empire is so much more powerful than any of the previous empires, because it doesnt have borders and it doesnt have one flag or one symbol so the average american doesnt realize it even exists, and the media, the ultimate source of nearly all of the public's information, never portrays it as one structure. the "global economy" is just a word for how this fraudulent money monopoly was used to also buy up infrastructure globally. so today, there is no escape, just about any country you go to has been weaned from its previous subsistence strategies and now lives at the whim and permission of the world trade supply line, all in the name of "development," as if our culture's transformation is an inevitability.

thats why we have all these compartmentalized problems. the real problem is that we have been silently invaded by the same corporations that brought rise to fascism 70 years ago. we live in a paramilitary police state where your home can be invaded by a team of soldiers on the basis of thought and other victimless crimes. espionage is permitted amongst the ruling class. we live in a place where you are legally compelled to provide identification to authorities while making your daily commute, as if you are a second class citizen and they are your authority or master. and it is so pervasive because we refer to the gestalt as freedom and believe that we have a range of checks and balances that somehow put us in charge. you can even find people saying that we are still free to do what we want even if it means we are free to be abducted and imprisoned for exercising that "freedom." any weapons you own must be declared to the govt and military industrial complex so that you can be conveniently disarmed on their order.

our right to bear military arms has been paired down to "gun rights," which everyone thinks arent supposed to even be weapons, but rather, tools for hunting and sport, will next be paired down to a right to own useless blades that will just get you shot by our mps like in the UK or china. the purpose of our 2nd amendment has been phased out since the militia is limited to century old technology. the small issues that we hear about on the news are largely there to teach us, one issue at a time, that while things may be bad, they are bad due to natural forces and unavoidable sociological processes, but not bad because those in power have the specific goal to buy up the resources of the world and reign as corporate, not national, emperors. or put another way, they have the goal of legally obtaining ownership of our infrastructure (which has already happened) so that all people can become artificially dependent on a class of people that actually produce and contribute nothing, but enjoy, by virtue of ownership, any or all of the earth's luxuries. good luck buying non-gmo seeds now that monsanto owns the majority of the world's small seed producers. even the farmers, the prehistoric basis of sedentary living, are now artificially dependent on bloodsucking corporations to BUY seed (not to mention all the chemicals that the seeds are engineered to require). there was a lesser extent of global social stratification under feudalism compared with present day capitalism (aka, modern unencumbered imperialism).

we are meant to think that everyone is in this together, and that the corporations and govt have us in their best interests but simply cannot control the slide. "speculators" with their unscrupulous trading have somehow undermined the value of the dollar! nevermind that banks get ~90% new free principle every time they issue a loan. u cant blame the speculators when there is an ocean of blue beads for them to scoop up and trade before the music stops. in every sense, we are taught that this process of overt centralization is actually the product of individual freedom and chaos. its "free market capitalism."

the whole concept of the political nation is obsolete, but we still follow the dialogue as inevitably as we watch the world series, or you in europe follow your futbol seasons. our political leaders are like actors or sports heroes, they dont do anything beyond captivating us so that we are not equipped to interfere with the actual agenda.

there is a world empire. but this time they arent going to give us a swastika for convenient identification. our only hope is for the people of the world to research fascism and its policies and learn to recognize it structurally, as opposed superficially. there is a whole lot more to it than gas chambers and blitzkriegs. most of all, it is a matter of industrial centralization and control. without that, you cant have world wars and barring unprecedented global environmental catastrophes, you also cant have world famine or depression (oh sorry, "recession").

the antithesis of this agenda is local ownership, trade, defense, and in general, sustainability/subsistence (you must have the ability to physically defend it with weapons against all potential invaders). with modern technology, this is overwhelmingly feasible.

support your local farmers, businesses, and industry.

i know most of u will instantly dismiss all of this. i cant support all my points without writing a book here. try reading a combo of amory starr's naming the enemy, noam chomsky's manufacturing consent, and vandana shiva's monocultures of the mind. if you keep educating yourself with corporate textbooks and mass media news you will only be conditioned to accept what you are given.

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TSI wrote:

According to CNN, over 70% of Americans think things are bad in the US. Source
Does this reflect reality? Is America really going down, sooner than most thought? Or is it simply mass-media blowup again?
Your thoughts.

Marinejuana wrote:

30 mins

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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

30 mins

Sorry, but the first uncapitalized word jumped my brain to WALL OF TEXT mode.

Marinejuana wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

30 mins

Sorry, but the first uncapitalized word jumped my brain to WALL OF TEXT mode.

i only do that because i think its funny when somebody makes your comment, essentially admitting that their whole process of finding ideas and information is hopelessly superficial. context indicates almost all proper nouns, and periods can divide sentences. capitalization is largely a formality, like so many other things that we take for granted.