So, about that redefinition of the word naive (I cbf finding the accents this time)...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Actually, Id like to say something else. I think this is the first time I have seen EVERYONE united on one simple fact. You. Are. Fucking. Naive.
-The cause for all these (as mentioned by the unbiased Noam Chomsky) is stated above (domino theroy)-whether it was "just" or not is up to debatepurefodder wrote:
Or not.....
A lot of the US backed regiemes, (El Salvador, Guatemala, Phillipines, Suharto, Colombian paramillitaries, Pinochet, Diem, Saddam, the Shah etc, etc, ) were some of the worst fuckers to ever to live, many of the so called 'communist' regiemes were pretty decent places in comparison. To put it bluntly, I'd rather have lived in Poland under the Soviets than in El Salvador under the US supported dictatorship.
The reasons are the same as the rest of the rich and powerful nations. Desire for more wealth and power and disinterest in the populace of their own country or anyone else's. The US/UK invaded Iraq to take control of the vast oil wealth there.
-I am not trying to sugar coat what the Americans have done...but nothing can compare to the injustices of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin etc... and you have to realize the context of the time...they were fighting Communism and they succeeded (whether this contributed is up to debate)...while some of the right wing authoritarian regimes they propped up were bad, all of Communism was bad...you just can't put the two on the same level
-Also, Poland had far more infrastructure, educated population then when the Commies came in then El Salvador so that isn't really a fair comparison
-Also, if it were about oil then why not Iran (as was mentioned in the post above)
where should i start?rammunition wrote:
No other country has killed MILLIONS since WW2, tell me who else has???
there is the Iraq/Iran conflict but who gave the chemical weapons to Saddam to use on the Iranians????
Soviet Union
China
Serbia
Bosnia
Ethipoia
The Congo
Colombia
Ecuador
Iraq
Iran
North Korea
Vietnam
Lybia
Liberia
Sudan
Saudi Arabia
Egypt
Isreal
Palestine
United Kingdom
Spain
India
Pakistan
Indonesia
Icoulddothisalldaystan
have all been directly responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people, both civilian and military.
You missed Germany. They provided more than half themselves.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
He asked for post WWII, and i think the people killed at the Berlin wall numbered in the hundreds, not the bazillions he thinks we kill every dayKmarion wrote:
You missed Germany. They provided more than half themselves.
-misinformed about most things
-uninformed about everything else
-naive
-America hater
-Fails to correctly defend his contentions, yet still believes he is correct
-Pitiful sentence structure
Yep, just like Bubbalo.
-uninformed about everything else
-naive
-America hater
-Fails to correctly defend his contentions, yet still believes he is correct
-Pitiful sentence structure
Yep, just like Bubbalo.
I was referring to the chemical weapons distribution.S.Lythberg wrote:
He asked for post WWII, and i think the people killed at the Berlin wall numbered in the hundreds, not the bazillions he thinks we kill every dayKmarion wrote:
You missed Germany. They provided more than half themselves.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
well, he neglected to mention the millions of tons of sarin nerve gas the soviets sold to questionable buyers (see yakuza), so I figured arms dealers were exempt from criticism too...Kmarion wrote:
I was referring to the chemical weapons distribution.S.Lythberg wrote:
He asked for post WWII, and i think the people killed at the Berlin wall numbered in the hundreds, not the bazillions he thinks we kill every dayKmarion wrote:
You missed Germany. They provided more than half themselves.
Ya, I touched on some of the other countries as well. http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 1#p2043381S.Lythberg wrote:
well, he neglected to mention the millions of tons of sarin nerve gas the soviets sold to questionable buyers (see yakuza), so I figured arms dealers were exempt from criticism too...Kmarion wrote:
I was referring to the chemical weapons distribution.S.Lythberg wrote:
He asked for post WWII, and i think the people killed at the Berlin wall numbered in the hundreds, not the bazillions he thinks we kill every day
He disappeared though..
Xbone Stormsurgezz
It's called drive-by trolling. I do it for the lulz, He does it because he really believes in this shit.Commie Killer wrote:
I love how this kid starts topics bashing the US, gets proved wrong, bitches about it, gets told to grow up, and leaves the topic. Hes done it in every single topic hes made so far.
I think a lot of these types of posts and opinions in these forums are based on kids born in the 90's and their life experience is based on internet "news" and "history" and listening to modern day media, which in my opinion has become a joke. I wont even listen to my local news any more, it is just trash. People really need to talk with people who have experienced history beyond 1990 or try to educate themselves outside of the internet.
The internet is basically 95 percent BS.
The internet is basically 95 percent BS.
Most of the claimed actions taken to prevent communism turned out to have nothing to do with communism. Communism was a term aimed at any country that tried to develop any independent development to justify attacks/coups.pierro wrote:
-The cause for all these (as mentioned by the unbiased Noam Chomsky) is stated above (domino theroy)-whether it was "just" or not is up to debatepurefodder wrote:
Or not.....
A lot of the US backed regiemes, (El Salvador, Guatemala, Phillipines, Suharto, Colombian paramillitaries, Pinochet, Diem, Saddam, the Shah etc, etc, ) were some of the worst fuckers to ever to live, many of the so called 'communist' regiemes were pretty decent places in comparison. To put it bluntly, I'd rather have lived in Poland under the Soviets than in El Salvador under the US supported dictatorship.
The reasons are the same as the rest of the rich and powerful nations. Desire for more wealth and power and disinterest in the populace of their own country or anyone else's. The US/UK invaded Iraq to take control of the vast oil wealth there.
Well for starters, the US killed about as many people in Cambodia as Pol Pot did. It's very hard to tell how many people died as a result of Pol Pot because so many people were dying as a result of the aftermath of the US bombing from starvation and disease. The US also supported trying to get the Kymer Rouge back into power after the Vietnameese put a stop to him.pierro wrote:
-I am not trying to sugar coat what the Americans have done...but nothing can compare to the injustices of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin etc... and you have to realize the context of the time...they were fighting Communism and they succeeded (whether this contributed is up to debate)...while some of the right wing authoritarian regimes they propped up were bad, all of Communism was bad...you just can't put the two on the same level
You seriously can't just say all communists were worse than all dictatorships, it's stupid. Saddam attacked Iran killing around a million and gassed his own populace. Suharto killed hundreds of thousands of peasants and a third of the populace of East Timor. Death squads killed vast numbers of people in El Salvador, Guatemala, Argentina, Brazil, Haiti, Honduras etc. an appauling list of western backed monsters. This kind of thing simply never happened under Castro, or in eastern Europe under communism. The crimes of western backed dictatorships were almost entirely ignored, whereas anything that could tenuously be pinned on communism was jumped all over and screamed about. In terms of percetage populace killed, Mao killed far fewer than in many US backed dictatorships. Plenty of the governments overthrown had done nothing in particular wrong, and weren't even communist in the first place, they were simple nationalistic socialists that were instigating reforms to benefit the populace whilst remaining democratic and capitalist. Communist (later War on drugs then terrorism) are used to scare the population into accepting whatever action is going on.
Dissidence in Soviet block countries resulted in arrests, trials, humiliation, interrogations, re-arrests etc. In a large number of US backed dictatorships, dissidents were lucky if their families survived to begin the task of finding all of their body parts.pierro wrote:
-Also, Poland had far more infrastructure, educated population then when the Commies came in then El Salvador so that isn't really a fair comparison
Iran has some form of defence. Iraq didn't and therefore represented a much better target as a result of the brutal sanctions that Iraq has been under. Plus Iraq has more oil. The other question is why not the brutal, opressive monarchy in Saudi Arabia? The answer is that they are happy to go along with US interests, hence no calls for overthrowing them and creating a democracy.pierro wrote:
-Also, if it were about oil then why not Iran (as was mentioned in the post above)
This isn't to say that Communist wasn't brutal repressive and awful, but is didn't justify unleashing murderous dictatators that were far worse.
has rammunition left the building ? If he has, I'd like to close this. He seems to get desperate....
i vote close....hes just a troll trying to get a rise out of people by acting like a rebel.B.Schuss wrote:
has rammunition left the building ? If he has, I'd like to close this. He seems to get desperate....
aye. Complaints may be directed in my general direction. I promise to deal with them swiftly...