BF2S Forums Huge Atom Smasher Could Destroy World?

steelie34 wrote:

dayarath wrote:

RoosterCantrell wrote:

The splitting of the atom was pretty revolutionary.  This may reveal free energy, or summin really good to save us from the energy crisis.  But if it blows the shit out of all of us, well, I just hope it's quick.  It would suck to survive hours, or days as the earth shook, or continents collapsed in on a growing hole where the LHC once was.  THAT would suck.

I was told that when the biblical end comes, it will be by fire.   Could said fire be some experiment that went whoopsy?  Not that I entirely believe in a biblical end, but i still wonder..

Well when hawking was wrong and some micro black hole does suddenly come into existance, we're thoroughly fucked - unless anti matter works. That's our last hope.

we dont even understand gravity, let alone anti-matter.

we do.

Antimatter = positron, positron is a positively charged elektron.

An elektron has a mass of 0 (this is in comparison to neutrons and protons, the mass is so small we just make it 0.) and they are charged with a charge of -1.

Positrons, are exactly the opposite of an elektron, they too have a mass of 0 and, instead, a charge of +1.

Now what happens when a positron gets in touch with something else? Seeing as every particle in our universe (except for positrons themselves) have elektrons, loaded with -1 - a positron / elektron collision is quite the disaster.

When a positron gets in touch with an elektron the charges of -1 and +1 get togheter, meaning you get a charge of 0.

Now, when that happens you suddenly get an object with a mass of 0, and a charge of 0. This object is a gamma ray. Every single particle that comes in touch with a positron will be decomposed and transferred into gamma rays. (for example, you fly a plane into a cloud of positrons - the plane will 'dissolve' and be transferred into gamma rays. That's all that'll be left of it.

We know how to artificially create a positron, and we even discovered a whole cloud of these things in space (thanks to space being vacuum, there's nothing a positron can get in touch with - however once it gets in touch with other celestial bodies it will turn them into gamma rays.)

So what we need is this tube to be vacuum with the black hole in it. Pour in alot of positrons, and the black hole will hopefully be transferred into gamma rays. That is, if the black hole is composed out of objects with matter.

Last edited by dayarath (2008-04-08 12:41:14)

dayarath wrote:

we do.

Antimatter = positron, positron is a positively charged elektron.

An elektron has a mass of 0 (this is in comparison to neutrons and protons, the mass is so small we just make it 0.) and they are charged with a charge of -1.

Positrons, are exactly the opposite of an elektron, they too have a mass of 0 and, instead, a charge of +1.

Now what happens when a positron gets in touch with something else? Seeing as every particle in our universe (except for positrons themselves) have elektrons, loaded with -1 - a positron / elektron collision is quite the disaster.

When a positron gets in touch with an elektron the charges of -1 and +1 get togheter, meaning you get a charge of 0.

Now, when that happens you suddenly get an object with a mass of 0, and a charge of 0. This object is a gamma ray. Every single particle that comes in touch with a positron will be decomposed and transferred into gamma rays. (for example, you fly a plane into a cloud of positrons - the plane will 'dissolve' and be transferred into gamma rays. That's all that'll be left of it.

We know how to artificially create a positron, and we even discovered a whole cloud of these things in space (thanks to space being vacuum, there's nothing a positron can get in touch with - however once it gets in touch with other celestial bodies it will turn them into gamma rays.)

So what we need is this tube to be vacuum with the black hole in it. Pour in alot of positrons, and the black hole will hopefully be transferred into gamma rays. That is, if the black hole is composed out of objects with matter.

Blergh... I choked a little when you said the electron has zero mass.

dayarath wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

Blergh... I choked a little when you said the electron has zero mass.

As I said, in comparison to neutrons and protons. It's very small so we'll just keep it at 0. I don't know just like that the exact mass of an elektron I'd have to look it up.

I believe it is .511MeV/c².  It's small, but not that small.

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-04-08 12:50:32)

dayarath wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

I believe it is .511MeV/c².  It's small, but not that small.

0 is the mass you get teached when you start with the basic reaction equations. So I'll just keep it like that, so that it's easier to understand.

could be right btw

Ohhhh...you got that from chemistry class.  That would explain the difference.  :-p

let me re-phrase... we don't understand anti-matter on any usable or practical level.

dayarath wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

Blergh... I choked a little when you said the electron has zero mass.

As I said, in comparison to neutrons and protons. It's very small so we'll just keep it at 0. I don't know just like that the exact mass of an elektron I'd have to look it up.

1/1838 of a proton in amu.

steelie34 wrote:

dayarath wrote:

steelie34 wrote:

let me re-phrase... we don't understand anti-matter on any usable or practical level.

not entirely true still, CERN uses them on a regular basis.

oh right, its for the black-hole-destroyer gun in case the buttsecks machine tries to kills us all... 

jk, but i still think the risk level is within acceptable limits.  they wouldn't try this if there truly was a way for this to cause a massive catastrophe (i hope.)

Nah that's true, what I described is just a -what if- case.

They themselves say the chance of a blackhole being created is so small it's laughable, also they don't think they can produce enough energy for that.

If it kills us all, we won't even notice. Cry moar.

April Fools!



Oh shi-

dayarath wrote:

Antimatter = positron, positron is a positively charged elektron.

An elektron has a mass of 0 (this is in comparison to neutrons and protons, the mass is so small we just make it 0.) and they are charged with a charge of -1.

Positrons, are exactly the opposite of an elektron, they too have a mass of 0 and, instead, a charge of +1.

Now what happens when a positron gets in touch with something else? Seeing as every particle in our universe (except for positrons themselves) have elektrons, loaded with -1 - a positron / elektron collision is quite the disaster.

When a positron gets in touch with an elektron the charges of -1 and +1 get togheter, meaning you get a charge of 0.

Now, when that happens you suddenly get an object with a mass of 0, and a charge of 0. This object is a gamma ray. Every single particle that comes in touch with a positron will be decomposed and transferred into gamma rays. (for example, you fly a plane into a cloud of positrons - the plane will 'dissolve' and be transferred into gamma rays. That's all that'll be left of it.

We know how to artificially create a positron, and we even discovered a whole cloud of these things in space (thanks to space being vacuum, there's nothing a positron can get in touch with - however once it gets in touch with other celestial bodies it will turn them into gamma rays.)

So what we need is this tube to be vacuum with the black hole in it. Pour in alot of positrons, and the black hole will hopefully be transferred into gamma rays. That is, if the black hole is composed out of objects with matter.

Not entirely true.

Positrons aren't the only kinds of anti-matter. Quarks (which make up protons and neutrons) also have their counterpart.
The anti-matter Up, Down, Strange, Charm, Bottom and Top quarks are conveniently called antiup, antidown, antistrange, anticharm, antibottom and antitop.

The 'heavier' electrons, muons and tau leptons also have counterparts.

What I (and other people) don't know is if neutrino's also have an anti-matter variant, because they already have a charge of 0.

(Picked this up at some masterclass, but refreshed my memory wit wikipedia btw)

physics is win. im really hoping they get a good look at the higgs at CERN, it would be interesting to find out new discoveries and ideas if they get any cool new information. and i place my confidence in the Hawkins radiation theory, it would be pretty awesome to say that mankind has been able to recreate one of the most destructive things in all of the universe (that we know of thus far).

Those binary systems are so cool, the photos at least... all that sun plasma getting sucked in to this abyss of darkness and "wtf"-ness...

lol

i havent died yet either...