"recent court decision that upheld'CameronPoe wrote:
"The ruling from the expedited proceedings is a stopgap decision, until the full court hearing takes place."
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Can you read an article from start to finish usmarine? You are literate aren't you?usmarine wrote:
"recent court decision that upheld'CameronPoe wrote:
"The ruling from the expedited proceedings is a stopgap decision, until the full court hearing takes place."
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And what do you expect the court will decide Cam?CameronPoe wrote:
Can you read an article from start to finish usmarine? You are literate aren't you?usmarine wrote:
"recent court decision that upheld'CameronPoe wrote:
"The ruling from the expedited proceedings is a stopgap decision, until the full court hearing takes place."
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That German secular principles will be upheld in the realm of state education, as always.lowing wrote:
And what do you expect the court will decide Cam?
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What would be your take on this in the event that this "stopgap" measure is up held?? It seems to me there really should be nothing to descuss within the court system. The law is already established and here is yet another example where appeasement or special favor is soughtCameronPoe wrote:
That German secular principles will be upheld in the realm of state education, as always.lowing wrote:
And what do you expect the court will decide Cam?
To be honest I don't really see what the big deal is. It's a bit ludicrous not being allowed to pray on your own breaktime, at school or not. In Ireland the first thing you do when you enter school is bless yourself and follow the teacher in a rendition of 'Ár nAthair' (Our Father) - which I find appalling.lowing wrote:
What would be your take on this in the event that this "stopgap" measure is up held?? It seems to me there really should be nothing to descuss within the court system. The law is already established and here is yet another example where appeasement or special favor is soughtCameronPoe wrote:
That German secular principles will be upheld in the realm of state education, as always.lowing wrote:
And what do you expect the court will decide Cam?
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Nope, I am not. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth when special interest groups seek special favor. Especially this one. There is a time and place for religion, does the whole world need to stop 5 times a day so Muslims can pray? WHat happens when his prayers interferes with class? Should he be able to cite prevention of being able to practice his religion then and file a suit then?CameronPoe wrote:
To be honest I don't really see what the big deal is. It's a bit ludicrous not being allowed to pray on your own breaktime, at school or not. In Ireland the first thing you do when you enter school is bless yourself and follow the teacher in a rendition of 'Ár nAthair' (Our Father) - which I find appalling.lowing wrote:
What would be your take on this in the event that this "stopgap" measure is up held?? It seems to me there really should be nothing to descuss within the court system. The law is already established and here is yet another example where appeasement or special favor is soughtCameronPoe wrote:
That German secular principles will be upheld in the realm of state education, as always.
When I was in New York a couple of weeks ago I noticed that JKF airport had prayer rooms, incidentally. Appeasement? Are you turning into Mr. PC ACLU state-church separation on us now?
prayer room is exactly what is being sought, so unless they are gunna be building pews and alters for the Christians..................Turquoise wrote:
I'm gonna have to agree with Cam... I think having prayer rooms is excessive, but allowing religious expression on campus doesn't seem so bad to me. I just hope they don't enforce a double standard with this. If they allow Muslims to pray on campus but not anyone else, that's bullshit.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258 … /educationlowing wrote:
Nope, I am not. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth when special interest groups seek special favor. Especially this one. There is a time and place for religion, does the whole world need to stop 5 times a day so Muslims can pray? WHat happens when his prayers interferes with class? Should he be able to cite prevention of being able to practice his religion then and file a suit then?
I didn't say I agree with the extent of what is being pushed, I'm just saying I support the freedom to express religion in public.lowing wrote:
prayer room is exactly what is being sought, so unless they are gunna be building pews and alters for the Christians..................Turquoise wrote:
I'm gonna have to agree with Cam... I think having prayer rooms is excessive, but allowing religious expression on campus doesn't seem so bad to me. I just hope they don't enforce a double standard with this. If they allow Muslims to pray on campus but not anyone else, that's bullshit.
JFK airport is not private. It is operated by the Port Authority, the directors ultimately being the governors of New York and New Jersey states. It is owned by the city of New York.Turquoise wrote:
I didn't say I agree with the extent of what is being pushed, I'm just saying I support the freedom to express religion in public.lowing wrote:
prayer room is exactly what is being sought, so unless they are gunna be building pews and alters for the Christians..................Turquoise wrote:
I'm gonna have to agree with Cam... I think having prayer rooms is excessive, but allowing religious expression on campus doesn't seem so bad to me. I just hope they don't enforce a double standard with this. If they allow Muslims to pray on campus but not anyone else, that's bullshit.
On the other hand, I would agree with you that building prayer rooms is basically appeasement -- including what Cam mentioned about JFK airport. Since JFK is a private institution, they can do whatever they want, but public schools should allow expression -- not forward agendas pushed by radicals.
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If the Koran and the Bible were taught in schools as part of fact based HISTORY and not a religious venture, as this legislation dictates, I have no problem with it.CameronPoe wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258 … /educationlowing wrote:
Nope, I am not. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth when special interest groups seek special favor. Especially this one. There is a time and place for religion, does the whole world need to stop 5 times a day so Muslims can pray? WHat happens when his prayers interferes with class? Should he be able to cite prevention of being able to practice his religion then and file a suit then?
Here's another special interest group for you. Don't let your own personal irrational hatred for a particular group of people get in the way of your objectivity.
Also, reading helps:
"The prayers were to take place outside of class time"
Where do you suggest they do it? The toilets? They can copy the JFK airport model. Tried and tested convergence of public building and private reflection...lowing wrote:
2. Prayer to take place in a school provided prayer room. Reading does help you can try it as well
You are welcome to join the discussion if ya want, if not................Braddock wrote:
Take a day off lowing.
Ok then all the Muslims that want a prayer room on campus, pool your money and buy one for the school or rent a room form the school.CameronPoe wrote:
Where do you suggest they do it? The toilets? They can copy the JFK airport model. Tried and tested convergence of public building and private reflection...lowing wrote:
2. Prayer to take place in a school provided prayer room. Reading does help you can try it as well
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That's ridiculous! Every citizen has a right to practice his own religion, as long as his freedom doesn't encroach on others'. How would this be encroaching on anyone else's freedom?lowing wrote:
Where do I sugges they do it?..........In a Mosque or at home.
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Damn it... I had a feeling that was the case. I should've looked it up. Some major airports are private, while others are public. If I'm not mistaken, the one in Greensboro is private (or at least semi-private), so I naturally assumed JFK was as well.CameronPoe wrote:
JFK airport is not private. It is operated by the Port Authority, the directors ultimately being the governors of New York and New Jersey states. It is owned by the city of New York.Turquoise wrote:
I didn't say I agree with the extent of what is being pushed, I'm just saying I support the freedom to express religion in public.lowing wrote:
prayer room is exactly what is being sought, so unless they are gunna be building pews and alters for the Christians..................
On the other hand, I would agree with you that building prayer rooms is basically appeasement -- including what Cam mentioned about JFK airport. Since JFK is a private institution, they can do whatever they want, but public schools should allow expression -- not forward agendas pushed by radicals.
The ones in JFK are used by all denominations from what I could gather. A rabbi was giving a 'sermon' or whatever it is they do while I was at the airport as a couple of El Al flights were leaving. I'm sure Christians, Buddhists, Muslims and Hindus use it too. It seems like just a plain room. Perhaps they can look into the JFK room-funding model.lowing wrote:
Ok then all the Muslims that want a prayer room on campus, pool your money and buy one for the school or rent a room form the school.CameronPoe wrote:
Where do you suggest they do it? The toilets? They can copy the JFK airport model. Tried and tested convergence of public building and private reflection...lowing wrote:
2. Prayer to take place in a school provided prayer room. Reading does help you can try it as well
Off topic.......How was El Al to fly on??CameronPoe wrote:
The ones in JFK are used by all denominations from what I could gather. A rabbi was giving a 'sermon' or whatever it is they do while I was at the airport as a couple of El Al flights were leaving. I'm sure Christians, Buddhists, Muslims and Hindus use it too. It seems like just a plain room. Perhaps they can look into the JFK room-funding model.lowing wrote:
Ok then all the Muslims that want a prayer room on campus, pool your money and buy one for the school or rent a room form the school.CameronPoe wrote:
Where do you suggest they do it? The toilets? They can copy the JFK airport model. Tried and tested convergence of public building and private reflection...
Personally I would detest and abhorr my tax money being spent on such drivel, so they can make do with the fucking playground if they feel compelled to speak to imaginary beings in the sky.
PS Nathan Sharansky got called over the intercom to the El Al desk while I was waiting for my flight!
Sorry, I was just lost for words at the sheer surprise of seeing you start another Islam threadlowing wrote:
You are welcome to join the discussion if ya want, if not................Braddock wrote:
Take a day off lowing.