Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6607|North Carolina

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

If you live your life based solely on facts, then its a pretty awkward/ careful existence. A lot of things happen based on someone's gut feelings. A lot of decisions come down to that basic instinct. Good and bad comes from it but to not take risks because you don't have facts on EVERYTHING could hurt many others in the long run. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do based on what you know or feel, whether they are factual or not.

Do i need facts to know a piece a pizza is fattening...no, common sense tells me that. Do I need to read the facts about a gun (its fire rate, its caliber) to know that if I put that gun to my head and squeeze the trigger that it might kill me, no, a lot of things tells me that. Of course knowledge plays a part in our lives but its not the end all and be all of everything. Nice to have facts, but you have to depend on yourself to put those facts together with a multitude of other factors, luck, common sense, gut feelings, courage...etc. I wont live my life basing everything on facts...that existence would be boring as hell. There are a lot of people who know tons and tons of facts but are the most naive people when it comes to life.

Some of the greatest military minds in history (Alexander the Great, William Wallace...etc, etc.) What if they fought battles strictly on facts. On many occasions they were outnumbered 3 or 4 to 1. If they lived in facts, they would have walked the other way. But because they used other factors (their own brain power --no hyperlinks..LOL, wisdom, courage and yes knowledge of their enemy and their own army and what they were capable of....they won those battles. Facts are not everything and they won battles because they ignored the facts.

As someone else said here...this is a debate section and honestly, i will rarely post a link of any kind to back up what I say. I don't care if you believe in what I say or not. I live my life to a high moral code, I treat others with respect and I give of myself when I can to help others. When I go to the grave, whether it be tomorrow or 50 years from now....I will have the knowledge that I did my best and be happy.....and that's a fact....LOL!
I know what you're saying, but debate generally consists of two things.  One -- facts.  Two -- logic.

Some of what you just posted is logic, but you made a statement earlier that you thought all media was "very liberal."  Now, while I have to admit that Hunter has posted some facts to back up his assumptions, you haven't.  This is why your argument isn't very strong.

I don't take an issue with Hunter's facts, but I do take issue with his logic.  This gives rise to debate.

You're not using logic or facts to back up your argument about the media, so it's kind of hard for me to debate with you on this topic.

Still, I will agree that some of life's choices are based on instinct, but in order to hone your critical thinking, you need to keep an open mind.  That's not just liberalism, that's logic.
Hunter/Jumper
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000000 wrote:

I don't take an issue with Hunter's facts, but I do take issue with his logic.  This gives rise to debate."
" I do take issue with his logic. "

Again low on substance, high on insult. Does anyone see a pattern ?
Why not then just try and debate ! Show us your lofty ideals and put on display  your stunning intellect and geometric logic so we  all can evaluate your position,  Or flee the post like KEN Brave Sir Robin JENNINGS.  We are here to debate, please step up or address at least one of the 27 plus posted items.

This is reminds me  of  the “ Blue Angeles " " the terrorists hate us for our freedom " thread.

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mikeyb118
Evil Overlord
+76|6800|S.C.
"No spin zone"
Hunter/Jumper
Member
+117|6556
Cut out Kennys asshole, packed the hole with salt and sewed it shut..again
GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6575|Kyiv, Ukraine
Necromancy is bad, mmm'kay?
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,813|6307|eXtreme to the maX
Fox Network is not so bad.
Fox 'News' is a propaganda machine for the Republican Neo-Cons
Fuck Israel
BVC
Member
+325|6897
If you want biased news, have a look at Al Jazeera.  Admitadly I haven't seen their TV news, but if their website is anything to go by...
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6612|'Murka

Do any of the people slamming FNN actually watch the NEWS portions of their broadcasts, or just O'Reilly, Hannity, and the morning show?

Those aren't NEWS. They are OPINION. If you actually watch the NEWS and analysis portions of the FNN broadcast day, perceptions (and concrete examples) of a conservative bias will decrease, I believe.

And if just not being as liberal as ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, or MSNBC (or giving both sides a chance to argue their point) is considered being "neocon puppets" then I guess FNN is that.
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― Albert Einstein

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CameronPoe
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Because it pretends to be something it's not. I watch it because it's hilariously skewed, every story has a subtle pretext or agenda and the high level of hypocrisy is extremeley entertaining. The fact that it seems to be 90% editorial, 10% news also means that the term 'FOX News' is a bit of a misnomer. Repeated use of the phrase 'some people say' thereby washing their hands of a source for some of the shit they talk is also quite funny.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-03-26 05:21:40)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,813|6307|eXtreme to the maX
Fox News, which I watch occasionally, does have an all-pervading agenda running through it.
Sometimes its subtle, sometimes its overwhelmingly obvious, rarely do they allow both sides to argue the point - when they do they heap ridicule on the party the company agenda is against.
Fuck Israel
JahManRed
wank
+646|6829|IRELAND

Its right wing drivel. And there is left wing drivel out there too. Id watch them all. Personally I watch Sky which is possibly more right wing than fox, English Aljazeera and BBC news 24. I make sure I get a full half hour of each a day, then formulate my own opinions because all News networks are Bias.
Id say BBC is as close to neutral as any of them. No advertisers to appease and now media conglomerate pulling strings either.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,813|6307|eXtreme to the maX
When I was a student I used to read all the papers every day, Times, Guardian, Telegraph, Mail, Independent.
Reading the same item five times is educational in seeing how the media spins things, same for TV news.
Its also very instructive to be involved in a news event and see how it all gets distorted.

Id say BBC is as close to neutral as any of them. No advertisers to appease and now media conglomerate pulling strings either.
Probably true, they do have their agendas however.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-03-26 05:40:44)

Fuck Israel
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6612|'Murka

CameronPoe wrote:

Because it pretends to be something it's not. I watch it because it's hilariously skewed, every story has a subtle pretext or agenda and the high level of hypocrisy is extremeley entertaining. The fact that it seems to be 90% editorial, 10% news also means that the term 'FOX News' is a bit of a misnomer. Repeated use of the phrase 'some people say' thereby washing their hands of a source for some of the shit they talk is also quite funny.
But you DON'T notice that with the other broadcast media?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6845
Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs piss me off even more.
CameronPoe
Member
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FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Because it pretends to be something it's not. I watch it because it's hilariously skewed, every story has a subtle pretext or agenda and the high level of hypocrisy is extremeley entertaining. The fact that it seems to be 90% editorial, 10% news also means that the term 'FOX News' is a bit of a misnomer. Repeated use of the phrase 'some people say' thereby washing their hands of a source for some of the shit they talk is also quite funny.
But you DON'T notice that with the other broadcast media?
CNN are bad, they're all bad.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6802|132 and Bush

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs piss me off even more.
Glenn Beck has his moments of sanity. He is not nearly as bad as a Sean Hannity.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
oug
Calmer than you are.
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It's always entertaining to hear people describe networks like CNN as "liberal". But I mean, COME ON!!! Wake up already!
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jord
Member
+2,382|6879|The North, beyond the wall.
Can someone recomend me an American BBC equivilent?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6607|North Carolina

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Again low on substance, high on insult. Does anyone see a pattern?
It took you several months to come up with that?  And then you follow it up with something about Ken's anus?  Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle...

William Kristol sums up this topic best with the following: "The liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures."

Since you like to cite random examples of things, I figure you might appreciate the various examples of conservatives admitting that the "liberal media" idea is mostly a joke started by them.  It's called "working the ref", as Rich Bond once said.  With all the accusations flying around of the media being liberal, broadcasters are on the defensive about liberal bias, but conservative bias generally flies under the radar or is accepted without much protest.

For example, can you really state that the media is liberally biased after the fiasco that was the Monica Lewinsky affair?  Has the media been liberally biased in favor of Eliot Spitzer?  Fuck no...  Sex scandals generate ratings, and that's why the media feasts on them, regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is involved.  Several other things work the same way because of their sensationalist value.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6525|New Haven, CT

jord wrote:

Can someone recomend me an American BBC equivilent?
Does Britain have any major news network besides BBC?
jord
Member
+2,382|6879|The North, beyond the wall.

nukchebi0 wrote:

jord wrote:

Can someone recomend me an American BBC equivilent?
Does Britain have any major news network besides BBC?
Probably, why do you ask? What's wrong with BBC?
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6739|Long Island, New York
lol, bill o'reilly

I still laugh at him having that huge ass fight with Geraldo Rivera over immigration. Yeah, professional.

Bill Maher/Jon Stewart ftw. Though they're not really a news source.
jord
Member
+2,382|6879|The North, beyond the wall.

Poseidon wrote:

lol, bill o'reilly

I still laugh at him having that huge ass fight with Geraldo Rivera over immigration. Yeah, professional.

Bill Maher/Jon Stewart ftw. Though they're not really a news source.
That's good, I like a bit of personality and feroicity in a report.

Bout time people stopped standing on the fence.
Hunter/Jumper
Member
+117|6556

PureFodder wrote:

As far as I'm aware, FOX is the only news network to have actually gone to court to defend their right to lie, mislead and just plain make up their news.

http://www.projectcensored.org/publicat … 05/11.html

That's a good way to inspire confidence in your journalistic scruples.
journalistic scruples.

ever hear of " The New York Times " ?

Did Fox put explosives in car gas tanks to make the explode on camera or was that NBC ?

Did Dan Rather say he was reporting from Afghanistan when he was never actually there or was that Bill O'Reily ?

I forget, help me out. . . . oh and " Straight Up ! " lol


          dolt.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|6944|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

jord wrote:

Can someone recomend me an American BBC equivilent?
Yeah... BBC America. 

edit : actually I think the BBC affiliate news station in America is ABC - http://abcnews.go.com/


nukchebi0 wrote:

Does Britain have any major news network besides BBC?
ITN - Independent Television News http://itn.co.uk

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-05-10 04:25:45)

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