Not considered extremists by whom?lowing wrote:
I am saying that the Muslims that rioted over those cartoons were not considered extremists.
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Poll
How'd you feel if they built a Mosque in your negihborhood?
| I'd be mad and I'd complain about it | 14% | 14% - 48 | ||||
| I wouldn't care tbh | 55% | 55% - 184 | ||||
| I think it would improve the neighborhood | 2% | 2% - 9 | ||||
| Fuck Islam | 27% | 27% - 91 | ||||
| Total: 332 | ||||||
western society, or their own I suspectScorpion0x17 wrote:
Not considered extremists by whom?lowing wrote:
I am saying that the Muslims that rioted over those cartoons were not considered extremists.
There's a bit of a barney going on over here at the moment, as there are plans to build a mosque in the Swan Valley (suburb not far from here).
A couple of resident groups complained on the grounds that um... well it didn't look go or something. Or that there weren't enough shops in the area to service all the hungry people coming out of prayer.
Then I saw this add in a local paper basically saying "we don't like Muslims GTFO mosque Australian Protectionists Party". I went to their website and looked at their policies. Zero Net migration. No third world migration. No Muslim migration. I laughed at this point because they spelled Muslim wrong. Love it.
Anyway I wouldn't care.
A couple of resident groups complained on the grounds that um... well it didn't look go or something. Or that there weren't enough shops in the area to service all the hungry people coming out of prayer.
Then I saw this add in a local paper basically saying "we don't like Muslims GTFO mosque Australian Protectionists Party". I went to their website and looked at their policies. Zero Net migration. No third world migration. No Muslim migration. I laughed at this point because they spelled Muslim wrong. Love it.
Anyway I wouldn't care.
You suspect.lowing wrote:
western society, or their own I suspectScorpion0x17 wrote:
Not considered extremists by whom?lowing wrote:
I am saying that the Muslims that rioted over those cartoons were not considered extremists.
I.e. it's your opinion that they're not extremists.
Could it be that you have no idea whether they're extremists or not and you're simply labelling them as non-extremist in order to justify your belief that Islam is at it's heart violent and evil?
So can you provide any back up in this case?lowing wrote:
western society, or their own I suspectScorpion0x17 wrote:
Not considered extremists by whom?lowing wrote:
I am saying that the Muslims that rioted over those cartoons were not considered extremists.
Or is this another case of "ZOMG all Muzzies are X-treem!".
EDIT: Beaten by Scorpion
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The notion that the rioters ( all over the ME ) were everyday people living their everyday lives, and the fact that no extremist groups claimed "responsibility" for the rioting, suggests they were not extremists in general. Just a shit load of Muslims pissed off over cartoons.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
You suspect.lowing wrote:
western society, or their own I suspectScorpion0x17 wrote:
Not considered extremists by whom?
I.e. it's your opinion that they're not extremists.
Could it be that you have no idea whether they're extremists or not and you're simply labelling them as non-extremist in order to justify your belief that Islam is at it's heart violent and evil?
Yeah riots all over the ME, death threats from all over the world, yeah it was probably just a few extremists who got pissed....denial anyone?Masques wrote:
So can you provide any back up in this case?lowing wrote:
western society, or their own I suspectScorpion0x17 wrote:
Not considered extremists by whom?
Or is this another case of "ZOMG all Muzzies are X-treem!".
EDIT: Beaten by Scorpion
Suggests.lowing wrote:
The notion that the rioters ( all over the ME ) were everyday people living their everyday lives, and the fact that no extremist groups claimed "responsibility" for the rioting, suggests they were not extremists in general. Just a shit load of Muslims pissed off over cartoons.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
You suspect.lowing wrote:
western society, or their own I suspect
I.e. it's your opinion that they're not extremists.
Could it be that you have no idea whether they're extremists or not and you're simply labelling them as non-extremist in order to justify your belief that Islam is at it's heart violent and evil?
I.e, again, you're just making statements about your opinion, not based on any facts what-so-ever.
Then why don't you post some links of extremist groups claiming responsibility for all the riots and violence, cuz I can post links that do not. What other conclusion have you come up with?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Suggests.lowing wrote:
The notion that the rioters ( all over the ME ) were everyday people living their everyday lives, and the fact that no extremist groups claimed "responsibility" for the rioting, suggests they were not extremists in general. Just a shit load of Muslims pissed off over cartoons.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
You suspect.
I.e. it's your opinion that they're not extremists.
Could it be that you have no idea whether they're extremists or not and you're simply labelling them as non-extremist in order to justify your belief that Islam is at it's heart violent and evil?
I.e, again, you're just making statements about your opinion, not based on any facts what-so-ever.
you are just avoiding acknowledging the obvious because it will destroy your argument that these people were extremists.
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Sorry, what?lowing wrote:
Then why don't you post some links of extremist groups claiming responsibility for all the riots and violence, cuz I can post links that do not. What other conclusion have you come up with?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Suggests.lowing wrote:
The notion that the rioters ( all over the ME ) were everyday people living their everyday lives, and the fact that no extremist groups claimed "responsibility" for the rioting, suggests they were not extremists in general. Just a shit load of Muslims pissed off over cartoons.
I.e, again, you're just making statements about your opinion, not based on any facts what-so-ever.
You can post a link that does not show extremists claiming responsibility???
FFS, do you think at all?
As for what conclusions have I come up with - simple, the only conclusion that anyone not directly involved in it can draw - that we do not know exactly why the riots happened or for what justification - we were not there.
Where do I claim that?lowing wrote:
you are just avoiding acknowledging the obvious because it will destroy your argument that these people were extremists.
Oh, sorry, you think I claimed that, therefore it must be true.
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Uhhhhh yeah I think.... If you know the riots were from extremist groups show me. I can show you articles that show the violence in the streets were committed by people who otherwise were never considered extremist.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Sorry, what?lowing wrote:
Then why don't you post some links of extremist groups claiming responsibility for all the riots and violence, cuz I can post links that do not. What other conclusion have you come up with?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Suggests.
I.e, again, you're just making statements about your opinion, not based on any facts what-so-ever.
You can post a link that does not show extremists claiming responsibility???
FFS, do you think at all?
As for what conclusions have I come up with - simple, the only conclusion that anyone not directly involved in it can draw - that we do not know exactly why the riots happened or for what justification - we were not there.
We do know why the riots happened the MUSLIM community TOLD US WHY the riots occurred. Sorry if that is inconvenient for your defense of them.
Then make a real defense of their behavior other than we don't know that they weren't extremist............
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Fine they can have their mosque if! I can build a texas rib joint in saudi arabia.Bulldogz wrote:
Ridiculous. They have just as much of a right to build a muslim school as catholics have a right to build a catholic school.Spark wrote:
First few minutes especially.
intolerance ftl.
1 billion Muslims worldwide. If only 0.1% were even inclined to engage in extremist behavior not necessarily violence even, merely intimidation, that would still be 1 million people. You only need a few thousand (or even a few hundred for a decent riot) and it takes a handful of people to send communications.lowing wrote:
Yeah riots all over the ME, death threats from all over the world, yeah it was probably just a few extremists who got pissed....denial anyone?Masques wrote:
So can you provide any back up in this case?lowing wrote:
western society, or their own I suspect
Or is this another case of "ZOMG all Muzzies are X-treem!".
EDIT: Beaten by Scorpion
So yes, we are talking about only a few. Since there are so many Muslims "a few" is a comparatively robust number, though far less than 1% in any case.
I recognize that you're a bigot and thus what I'm about to say is pointless to someone like you, but here we go...
Think this through logically. If most Muslims engaged in extremist behavior this country would explode there's no way logically any of it could be contained. And it also assumes all actions would be directed against the same targets.
EDIT: And that's all I have to say in this thread. I'm not going to argue with a bigot.
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Again, where did I say that they were all extremists?lowing wrote:
Uhhhhh yeah I think.... If you know the riots were from extremist groups show me. I can show you articles that show the violence in the streets were committed by people who otherwise were never considered extremist.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Sorry, what?lowing wrote:
Then why don't you post some links of extremist groups claiming responsibility for all the riots and violence, cuz I can post links that do not. What other conclusion have you come up with?
You can post a link that does not show extremists claiming responsibility???
FFS, do you think at all?
As for what conclusions have I come up with - simple, the only conclusion that anyone not directly involved in it can draw - that we do not know exactly why the riots happened or for what justification - we were not there.
We do know why the riots happened the MUSLIM community TOLD US WHY the riots occurred. Sorry if that is inconvenient for your defense of them.
Then make a real defense of their behavior other than we don't know that they weren't extremist............
But also, so the whole of the global Muslim community said "yep, we're all extremists" with one voice?
Gee, it has been 15 minutes since the last time I was called a racist or bigot in leu of making an argument. It must be arecord.Masques wrote:
1 billion Muslims worldwide. If only 0.1% were even inclined to engage in extremist behavior not necessarily violence even, merely intimidation, that would still be 1 million people. You only need a few thousand (or even a few hundred for a decent riot) and it takes a handful of people to send communications.lowing wrote:
Yeah riots all over the ME, death threats from all over the world, yeah it was probably just a few extremists who got pissed....denial anyone?Masques wrote:
So can you provide any back up in this case?
Or is this another case of "ZOMG all Muzzies are X-treem!".
EDIT: Beaten by Scorpion
So yes, we are talking about only a few. Since there are so many Muslims "a few" is a comparatively robust number, though far less than 1% in any case.
I recognize that you're a bigot and thus what I'm about to say is pointless to someone like you, but here we go...
Think this through logically. If most Muslims engaged in extremist behavior this country would explode there's no way logically any of it could be contained. And it also assumes all actions would be directed against the same targets.
EDIT: And that's all I have to say in this thread. I'm not going to argue with a bigot.
Think this through logically, Islam teaches and practices hate and intolerance. If "moderate Muslims" can come unglued over polical cartoons then I maintain and will believe that "moderate Muslims" can come unglued over anything they do not like.
Not one article I have read says these riots and protests and murderr and violence was committed by anything other than ordinary Muslims. No extremest groups claimed responsibility for any of it so it is absurd to deny who really was at the heart of it all.
On another note, from a site in a google ad:
Am I the only one who finds this image disturbing?
Am I the only one who finds this image disturbing?
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If you don't want to be called a bigot, prove that opinion.lowing wrote:
Islam teaches and practices hate and intolerance.
You are arguing with me saying that the people involved were not everyday Muslims. If you agree with that they were, what the fuck are you arguing about?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Again, where did I say that they were all extremists?lowing wrote:
Uhhhhh yeah I think.... If you know the riots were from extremist groups show me. I can show you articles that show the violence in the streets were committed by people who otherwise were never considered extremist.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Sorry, what?
You can post a link that does not show extremists claiming responsibility???
FFS, do you think at all?
As for what conclusions have I come up with - simple, the only conclusion that anyone not directly involved in it can draw - that we do not know exactly why the riots happened or for what justification - we were not there.
We do know why the riots happened the MUSLIM community TOLD US WHY the riots occurred. Sorry if that is inconvenient for your defense of them.
Then make a real defense of their behavior other than we don't know that they weren't extremist............
But also, so the whole of the global Muslim community said "yep, we're all extremists" with one voice?
Of don't get me wrong I am amused that people on here resort to simply calling me a racist or a bigot as their last ditch effort to win an argument, instead trying to prove their arguments.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
If you don't want to be called a bigot, prove that opinion.lowing wrote:
Islam teaches and practices hate and intolerance.
No, I'm saying that we don't know whether they were 'everyday Muslims' or not.lowing wrote:
You are arguing with me saying that the people involved were not everyday Muslims. If you agree with that they were, what the fuck are you arguing about?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Again, where did I say that they were all extremists?lowing wrote:
Uhhhhh yeah I think.... If you know the riots were from extremist groups show me. I can show you articles that show the violence in the streets were committed by people who otherwise were never considered extremist.
We do know why the riots happened the MUSLIM community TOLD US WHY the riots occurred. Sorry if that is inconvenient for your defense of them.
Then make a real defense of their behavior other than we don't know that they weren't extremist............
But also, so the whole of the global Muslim community said "yep, we're all extremists" with one voice?
You are basing your statements on bias.
Not on truth.
No I am basing my opinion on the obvious, sorry that hurts your argument in defending their behavior. Every other extremist activity has been claimed by extremists. All of the Muslim world erupts in protest and or riots and violence and you have no idea whodid it...........Your argument borderlines the rediculous.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
No, I'm saying that we don't know whether they were 'everyday Muslims' or not.lowing wrote:
You are arguing with me saying that the people involved were not everyday Muslims. If you agree with that they were, what the fuck are you arguing about?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Again, where did I say that they were all extremists?
But also, so the whole of the global Muslim community said "yep, we're all extremists" with one voice?
You are basing your statements on bias.
Not on truth.
I already have one... it's fine.
RECONDO67 wrote:
the only thing I can complaint. it's that Muslims love to fucking practice their religion around the world but they don't tolerate other religions.
Lemme ask you - do you believe all Muslims are extremists?lowing wrote:
No I am basing my opinion on the obvious, sorry that hurts your argument in defending their behavior. Every other extremist activity has been claimed by extremists. All of the Muslim world erupts in protest and or riots and violence and you have no idea whodid it...........Your argument borderlines the rediculous.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
No, I'm saying that we don't know whether they were 'everyday Muslims' or not.lowing wrote:
You are arguing with me saying that the people involved were not everyday Muslims. If you agree with that they were, what the fuck are you arguing about?
You are basing your statements on bias.
Not on truth.
If there was a GUARANTEE that it would only be peaceful Islam being taught in the Mosque and it was right near you, would you mind it?
Nope, I do not live in the ME and I do not want my nieghborhhod to look, read or sound like I doPoseidon wrote:
Lemme ask you - do you believe all Muslims are extremists?lowing wrote:
No I am basing my opinion on the obvious, sorry that hurts your argument in defending their behavior. Every other extremist activity has been claimed by extremists. All of the Muslim world erupts in protest and or riots and violence and you have no idea whodid it...........Your argument borderlines the rediculous.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
No, I'm saying that we don't know whether they were 'everyday Muslims' or not.
You are basing your statements on bias.
Not on truth.
If there was a GUARANTEE that it would only be peaceful Islam being taught in the Mosque and it was right near you, would you mind it?
and no I do not believe all muslims are extremists
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