and even with today's standards, any smart grunt out there will not waste his ammo at an engagement of 500 meters. You just dont shoot at something that far unless youre a sniper.Parker wrote:
also, by the time the civil war rolled around, the sharps rifle had an effective KNOWN range of 500 yards.
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Yep. 300 meters is a maybe, but anything above 400 is a waste. (That or I'm just really shit, 300 is pretty hard sometimes.)GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
and even with today's standards, any smart grunt out there will not waste his ammo at an engagement of 500 meters. You just dont shoot at something that far unless youre a sniper.Parker wrote:
also, by the time the civil war rolled around, the sharps rifle had an effective KNOWN range of 500 yards.
Wow, really? The C7 is sighted at 300 meters, and we generally accept the maximum effective range to be about 400 meters. 500 sounds like A LOT.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
take that back. You have to qualify with the SAW at 500 meters ( i think even farther), but again, thats area supression weapon, not precision.
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Some,.. but without the powder to be honnest.Parker wrote:
how many black powder rifles have you shot?
Means the ball will be slung for at least 500 yards,.. says very little about the accuracy. Civil war is also a little later.Parker wrote:
also, by the time the civil war rolled around, the sharps rifle had an effective KNOWN range of 500 yards.
Wheel lock was the best actually; but slow, complicated and extremely expensive to manufacture. I think it remained in "use" though as a prestige arm.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
during the revolutionary war, flintlock was the way of the day. Wheel lock was from the century prior and percussion caps werent even invented yet. Also, the brown bess, the british standard weapon, was a smooth bore. The kentucky long rifle, wasnt.
What? Seven millimeters? That's insane.daddyofdeath wrote:
I can get a 7mil grouping at 300 meters with just iron sights on the l85A2. Damn I wish I was a sniper.
Shit, reminded me of that scene in 300 where the Persians do a huge volley from like, thousands of men armed with bows. They used shields in the film, not sure how Kevlar would respond to thatjimmanycricket wrote:
Screw 1775, the medieval Britain could have wiped out 100 modern marines. Longbows + Cavalry = win
If they rushed with 1000 odd cavalry they would win straight off.
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Yes, that was my best ever grouping at that range. However weather/visibility was perfect. I come in a steady second in our Regimental shoot. I dropped 2 shots that would have won me a shitload of money!LaidBackNinja wrote:
What? Seven millimeters? That's insane.daddyofdeath wrote:
I can get a 7mil grouping at 300 meters with just iron sights on the l85A2. Damn I wish I was a sniper.
Fuck mate, to be honest I would be glad with a 0.7cm grouping at 100m. I usually get around 3-4 cm.daddyofdeath wrote:
Yes, that was my best ever grouping at that range. However weather/visibility was perfect. I come in a steady second in our Regimental shoot. I dropped 2 shots that would have won me a shitload of money!LaidBackNinja wrote:
What? Seven millimeters? That's insane.daddyofdeath wrote:
I can get a 7mil grouping at 300 meters with just iron sights on the l85A2. Damn I wish I was a sniper.
youre not shit. 300 is tricky. USMC qualifies riflemen up to 500, but like you said, no one is going to waste their shot at a target that farLaidBackNinja wrote:
Yep. 300 meters is a maybe, but anything above 400 is a waste. (That or I'm just really shit, 300 is pretty hard sometimes.)
only one round has to hit the target in order for it to go down. SAW is meant to keep their heads down, not take em off.wrote:
Wow, really? The C7 is sighted at 300 meters, and we generally accept the maximum effective range to be about 400 meters. 500 sounds like A LOT.
Ah, I see.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
youre not shit. 300 is tricky. USMC qualifies riflemen up to 500, but like you said, no one is going to waste their shot at a target that farLaidBackNinja wrote:
Yep. 300 meters is a maybe, but anything above 400 is a waste. (That or I'm just really shit, 300 is pretty hard sometimes.)only one round has to hit the target in order for it to go down. SAW is meant to keep their heads down, not take em off.wrote:
Wow, really? The C7 is sighted at 300 meters, and we generally accept the maximum effective range to be about 400 meters. 500 sounds like A LOT.
Remember arrows can go over hills and stuff, bullets can't.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Shit, reminded me of that scene in 300 where the Persians do a huge volley from like, thousands of men armed with bows. They used shields in the film, not sure how Kevlar would respond to thatjimmanycricket wrote:
Screw 1775, the medieval Britain could have wiped out 100 modern marines. Longbows + Cavalry = win
If they rushed with 1000 odd cavalry they would win straight off.
edit: They wouldn't get the time to group a large group and then launch the arrows, they'd be dead before that.
well, it sounds like you know the answer to this, so ill stop debating.Lai wrote:
Some,.. but without the powder to be honnest.Parker wrote:
how many black powder rifles have you shot?Means the ball will be slung for at least 500 yards,.. says very little about the accuracy. Civil war is also a little later.Parker wrote:
also, by the time the civil war rolled around, the sharps rifle had an effective KNOWN range of 500 yards.Wheel lock was the best actually; but slow, complicated and extremely expensive to manufacture. I think it remained in "use" though as a prestige arm.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
during the revolutionary war, flintlock was the way of the day. Wheel lock was from the century prior and percussion caps werent even invented yet. Also, the brown bess, the british standard weapon, was a smooth bore. The kentucky long rifle, wasnt.
Why not? Modern bullets just have a longer trajectory. Fire the same amount of bullets with the same spread as a volley of longbow arrows, with similar effect.jimmanycricket wrote:
Remember arrows can go over hills and stuff, bullets can't.
=mortars.Ilocano wrote:
Why not? Modern bullets just have a longer trajectory. Fire the same amount of bullets with the same spread as a volley of longbow arrows, with similar effect.jimmanycricket wrote:
Remember arrows can go over hills and stuff, bullets can't.
or a Marine --- we have to rifle qual at 500 during bootcamp and while in serviceGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
and even with today's standards, any smart grunt out there will not waste his ammo at an engagement of 500 meters. You just dont shoot at something that far unless youre a sniper.Parker wrote:
also, by the time the civil war rolled around, the sharps rifle had an effective KNOWN range of 500 yards.
Pretty well I'd say, since in real life the Immortals' short bows failed to penetrate even the Hoplites' leather cuirasses. The short bow as standard equipement was the Persians' "great advantage" over the Greeks, but the Greeks were too well amoured for the Persians to make any use of it.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Shit, reminded me of that scene in 300 where the Persians do a huge volley from like, thousands of men armed with bows. They used shields in the film, not sure how Kevlar would respond to that.
Ho,.. wait!SEREMAKER wrote:
or a Marine --- we have to rifle qual at 500 during bootcamp and while in serviceGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
and even with today's standards, any smart grunt out there will not waste his ammo at an engagement of 500 meters. You just dont shoot at something that far unless youre a sniper.Parker wrote:
also, by the time the civil war rolled around, the sharps rifle had an effective KNOWN range of 500 yards.
snipers - 1000 to 1600
I was refering to yards and 500 yards is 457 metersLai wrote:
Ho,.. wait!SEREMAKER wrote:
or a Marine --- we have to rifle qual at 500 during bootcamp and while in serviceGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
and even with today's standards, any smart grunt out there will not waste his ammo at an engagement of 500 meters. You just dont shoot at something that far unless youre a sniper.
snipers - 1000 to 1600
Don't start mixing up yards and meters!
but dont lie. what distance would you say the average target engaged in iraq is? whats the farthest non sniper shot youve seen or took? most of our engagements were never farther than 150 meters, out in the boon docks and farm lands. In baghdad, we would rarely be farther than 100 meters from contact.SEREMAKER wrote:
or a Marine --- we have to rifle qual at 500 during bootcamp and while in serviceGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
and even with today's standards, any smart grunt out there will not waste his ammo at an engagement of 500 meters. You just dont shoot at something that far unless youre a sniper.Parker wrote:
also, by the time the civil war rolled around, the sharps rifle had an effective KNOWN range of 500 yards.
snipers - 1000 to 1600
for Iraq open lands 100 -150 yards , urban 100 and under .......... my fartherest open sight shot was 850 yards on man target and it was a kill shotGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
but dont lie. what distance would you say the average target engaged in iraq is? whats the farthest non sniper shot youve seen or took? most of our engagements were never farther than 150 meters, out in the boon docks and farm lands. In baghdad, we would rarely be farther than 100 meters from contact.SEREMAKER wrote:
or a Marine --- we have to rifle qual at 500 during bootcamp and while in serviceGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
and even with today's standards, any smart grunt out there will not waste his ammo at an engagement of 500 meters. You just dont shoot at something that far unless youre a sniper.
snipers - 1000 to 1600