Marines would get rocked badly mostly cus there american.
True, but the muskets didn't fire powerfully or far... at all. They were weak pieces of shit.Parker wrote:
hhmmmm, a musket ball is on average a HALF INCH of lead......even if the kevlar was able to stop it from penetrating, the energy alone would put that person out of commission.PRLR wrote:
Hmmm, a musket bullet in a kevlar = fail
come on people, its called a force multiplier.
eventually the odds would fall to the british, no matter the situation.
Actually, I truly don't know who would win. Not even with everyone saying "the brits". See, there is one thing you have to take into account.
Wars that were fought back then, the army WOULD line up and fire. They had to. Muskets can only be reloaded every minute or so.
Yeah though, the likelyhood is the brits would win. But what about rocket launchers and grenades? They would inflict a lot of damage on the brits, while they are firing aimlessly at the marines. I guess you can't really picture 230,000 brits firing at you. It's mentally impossible. I think that is why people are having problems deciding who would win.
A few hundred thousand average joes with no training, you know, Tom, Dick or Harry off the streets of Britain would be able to defeat 100 Marines. I mean come on, the odds are just ridiculous. I cant believe some of you are having trouble deceding on this one.
A mere 100 Marines would eventually be overwhelmed. Not demeaning the Marines or anything but the numbers are just ridiculous.
A mere 100 Marines would eventually be overwhelmed. Not demeaning the Marines or anything but the numbers are just ridiculous.
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I think we need Mythbusters on this one.
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I'm assuming that's sarcasmHSG wrote:
Marines would get rocked badly mostly cus there american.
Anyway, guerrilla warfare + night time + NVGs + sound suppressors = win Marines would be able to kill the British 24/7. A BF2 mod for this would be interesting.
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LaidBackNinja wrote:
People from 1776 weren't actually stupid or anything... I'm sure the British would wise up pretty fast if they saw the marines were fighting dirty. Standing in a line only works if the enemy does it as well. (I'm not actually sure they even did that all the time back then, it seems most of you just watched "The Patriot" and now you think that's the way they always fought.)
Not quite true, they stayed in that formation because they were forced to by their equipement. Smooth bore muskets are so inaccurate that the only way to ensure hits is by concentrating a high volume of fire, which in turn can only be achieved by firing in volleys if you're limited to these class of arms. If your enemy diverts from this tactic, he's less likely to be hit, but also far less likely to hit anything himself. What Mel Gibson did in the forest ambush is no more real than anything from John Woo. Even Tirailleurs and Chasseurs generally fought in line formations, despite that there were experiments with equiping them with rifled carbines. The difference between Tirailleurs and common line infantry such as Fuseliers lies in that Fuseliers remain in a fixed position and fire in volleys at regular intervals, while Tirailleurs (and Chasseurs) use alternating rows. You also do not use your cavalry to fight enemy infantry, you use it to "lock 'em up", by forcing them in a "carré" position.amak1131 wrote:
They always stayed in formation because they thought it was "honorable" or something. The 100 Marines would win, hands down. Guerrilla tactics and it's the revolution all over.
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KILLSWITCH wrote:A mere 100 Marines would eventually be overwhelmed. Not demeaning the Marines or anything but the numbers are just ridiculous.I concur,.. just remember Jerry v.s. the Russians who often didn't even had weapons.
1stSFOD-Delta wrote:A BF2 mod for this would be interesting.They're actually making a game called Left 4 Dead that is build on the principal of setting a technically superior force (of four) against vastly superior numbers. Both sides will be playable cooperatively online against other humans, so AI or rather the lack of it is not an issue. The idea came from CS Source as they set a few CT's against a huge amount of terrorists armed only with a knife.
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I'm not sure...if ammo isn't an issue then I'd be inclined to say marines. I imagine one burst from an MG would rape 30-odd british soldiers standing in a row...and marines would have range/accuracy/camoflage on their side...
Man, aren't you the smart one. At least learn grammar before you post.HSG wrote:
Marines would get rocked badly mostly cus there american.
The Brits would win through attrition.
Muskets were very deadly. Slower bullet means more likely a chance to die from the wound.
Muskets were very deadly. Slower bullet means more likely a chance to die from the wound.
does anyone remember the film Zulu, was not this the same kind of out look, 1000s of guys v a mere handful of well equipped infantry, BUT saying that if they could not gain face to face assault, and the fire power alone would probably mean 1 marine to the 300ish British Army per gun, the outcome may not be that obvious, don't forget my argument means that the British troops could only fire at what they see and vice versa. im sure in the end 100 USMC would end up dead of out of action, but with a shit load of British dead just due to the weaponery
Medicine is a little better than it was in the 1780's, though.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
The Brits would win through attrition.
Muskets were very deadly. Slower bullet means more likely a chance to die from the wound.
Doesn't matter, a casualty can't fight, regardless of whether he makes any recovery at all in a few months. The Marine tendency to look after their wounded so much better might actually hamper them.nukchebi0 wrote:
Medicine is a little better than it was in the 1780's, though.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
The Brits would win through attrition.
Muskets were very deadly. Slower bullet means more likely a chance to die from the wound.
British Army hands down, technology can only get you so far.
Just sheer number would over whelm... in an open battle the brits could just bayonet charge without ever firing a shot and still win.
the amount of men coming at them would be enormous... its basically WW1 in a way... men walking towards machine guns.
if the marines had a couple of mini guns they might stand a chance. but this isnt tf2
the amount of men coming at them would be enormous... its basically WW1 in a way... men walking towards machine guns.
if the marines had a couple of mini guns they might stand a chance. but this isnt tf2
I would go for the marines because you need only a well placed sniper and ALLOT of ammo and food, water. But did you know that the norwegian army beat SAS, seals and swat? The only thing the seals have is hitec stuff...
Did you know our Army goes to your bars and pisses on eachother as well as Customers?karl wrote:
I would go for the marines because you need only a well placed sniper and ALLOT of ammo and food, water. But did you know that the norwegian army beat SAS, seals and swat? The only thing the seals have is hitec stuff...
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ill argue that.Zimmer wrote:
True, but the muskets didn't fire powerfully or far... at all. They were weak pieces of shit.Parker wrote:
hhmmmm, a musket ball is on average a HALF INCH of lead......even if the kevlar was able to stop it from penetrating, the energy alone would put that person out of commission.PRLR wrote:
Hmmm, a musket bullet in a kevlar = fail
come on people, its called a force multiplier.
eventually the odds would fall to the british, no matter the situation.
Actually, I truly don't know who would win. Not even with everyone saying "the brits". See, there is one thing you have to take into account.
Wars that were fought back then, the army WOULD line up and fire. They had to. Muskets can only be reloaded every minute or so.
Yeah though, the likelyhood is the brits would win. But what about rocket launchers and grenades? They would inflict a lot of damage on the brits, while they are firing aimlessly at the marines. I guess you can't really picture 230,000 brits firing at you. It's mentally impossible. I think that is why people are having problems deciding who would win.
my ancestor was an indian killer with Daniel Boone back in the day. they both consistently made 300 yard plus shots with their long rifles.
they both had also mastered reloading while running full tilt.
but those are just two people.....lol, im a technical fuck sometimes.
but you are too zimmer
I watched a program that was about the Dallas SWAT team a while back, they were competing in some competition against other police counter-terrorist/hostage rescue groups, if I remember right they came 2nd behind GSG-9, SAS were 3rd.
I'm back. Who won?
the Marines ........ the 3rd post proved everything.Sup wrote:
I'm back. Who won?
out of the 100 Marines have 10 snipers ......... kiss your officers goodbye
Here's something that solves that.SEREMAKER wrote:
the Marines ........ the 3rd post proved everything.Sup wrote:
I'm back. Who won?
out of the 100 Marines have 10 snipers ......... kiss your officers goodbye
"Okay Men, we can easily win. Alls we have to do is overrun them. If your officer is killed carry on fighting.
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The Brits would win.
- overwhelming numbers
- completely surround the Marines so they can't retreat to better positions if rushed
- Since they are completely surrounded and only 100, fatigue will set in. The Brits can put most of their force on reserve drinking tea and eating crumpets. The Marines won't have the luxury of rest. Just keep hammering at the Marines in small numbers 24/7 for 7 days. Consider trench warfare tactics to keep Brit casualties to a minimum (avoiding the mass rush into machineguns of course). Fatigue and numbers will win the day.
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- overwhelming numbers
- completely surround the Marines so they can't retreat to better positions if rushed
- Since they are completely surrounded and only 100, fatigue will set in. The Brits can put most of their force on reserve drinking tea and eating crumpets. The Marines won't have the luxury of rest. Just keep hammering at the Marines in small numbers 24/7 for 7 days. Consider trench warfare tactics to keep Brit casualties to a minimum (avoiding the mass rush into machineguns of course). Fatigue and numbers will win the day.
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Hmmm,.. has anyone considered that a shot from a musket probably wouldn't even penetrate low-grade kevlar at point blank range?
I'm still going with the Brits though,.. numbers.
I can see the benefit of a machinegun, but snipers would be rather ineffective against such a large homogenous force. You can take out only one man with each shot and your rof is relatively low.
I'm still going with the Brits though,.. numbers.
Pardon me,.. a "well placed sniper"?karl wrote:
I would go for the marines because you need only a well placed sniper and ALLOT of ammo and food, water. But did you know that the norwegian army beat SAS, seals and swat? The only thing the seals have is hitec stuff...
I can see the benefit of a machinegun, but snipers would be rather ineffective against such a large homogenous force. You can take out only one man with each shot and your rof is relatively low.
sure it would.Lai wrote:
Hmmm,.. has anyone considered that a shot from a musket probably wouldn't even penetrate low-grade kevlar at point blank range?
A musket ball to the face ends the game pretty quickly. Or to the arm, or to the leg. Those balls were fucking mean. People here underestimate muskets. By the independence war, they also used rifled muskets which had far better accuracy. A musket ball also tends to bounce around inside the body after impact. That shit will mess you up. Modern day rounds are far less lethal than musket balls were.Parker wrote:
sure it would.Lai wrote:
Hmmm,.. has anyone considered that a shot from a musket probably wouldn't even penetrate low-grade kevlar at point blank range?
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