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why thought, if your not going to commit a crime then whats the problem. I mean a few rights are worth breaking to have a safer country.IRONCHEF wrote:
Nobody should EVER be able to collect, monitor, track, share, or use my DNA against me or invade my privacy. We're not in a Gattaca age yet and I will fight tooth and nail to avoid being in it.
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They do with telephone numbers, postal addresses, fax numbers, emails. Where do you think all the junk mail comes from.IRONCHEF wrote:
Nobody should EVER be able to collect, monitor, track, share, or use my DNA against me or invade my privacy. We're not in a Gattaca age yet and I will fight tooth and nail to avoid being in it.
It sounds to me that you now understand the principle of why the Patriot Act is necessary in America.Snake wrote:
The whole country should be one it. Got nothing to hide, whats the problem? Social & human rights? Well, seeing as there are already databases with peoples addresses, national insurance numbers, etc, etc, what harm is a bit of DNA going to do? None, thats what.
At the end of the day, we all want to eradicate crime but demand on not giving the services the help they need to bring that crime rate right down? Its fucking diabolical.
If this was in place, then at the scene of any crime, they can immediately link up, using DNA matches, who was at the crime scene. Provide an alibi, you are fine. They could identify suspects in a matter of days. If there is ever another serial killer like Jack the Ripper or Fred West (god forbid), people would want that shit sorted as soon as possible. But if the person has never been arrested before, theres less chance of catching them (look at those two cases, ok in the past, but the point still stands)...you could identify suspects right away, and boom, you have your "lineup".
It would also act as a deterrant against crime, if you can be identified that easily, and we would see a lot less petty crime.
People just like to make a fuss for fucking no reason.
I would argue we already live in a Gattaca age. I'd say we've been living in it since about the 1980s. There's really no use in fighting it. If someone wants to find you or frame you, they will. We might as well have the databases for security, as Balok suggested.Balok77 wrote:
why thought, if your not going to commit a crime then whats the problem. I mean a few rights are worth breaking to have a safer country.IRONCHEF wrote:
Nobody should EVER be able to collect, monitor, track, share, or use my DNA against me or invade my privacy. We're not in a Gattaca age yet and I will fight tooth and nail to avoid being in it.
While we are at why dont we make it incredibly easy to frame someone with so called indisputable DNA evidence.Snake wrote:
The whole country should be one it. Got nothing to hide, whats the problem? Social & human rights? Well, seeing as there are already databases with peoples addresses, national insurance numbers, etc, etc, what harm is a bit of DNA going to do? None, thats what.
At the end of the day, we all want to eradicate crime but demand on not giving the services the help they need to bring that crime rate right down? Its fucking diabolical.
If this was in place, then at the scene of any crime, they can immediately link up, using DNA matches, who was at the crime scene. Provide an alibi, you are fine. They could identify suspects in a matter of days. If there is ever another serial killer like Jack the Ripper or Fred West (god forbid), people would want that shit sorted as soon as possible. But if the person has never been arrested before, theres less chance of catching them (look at those two cases, ok in the past, but the point still stands)...you could identify suspects right away, and boom, you have your "lineup".
It would also act as a deterrant against crime, if you can be identified that easily, and we would see a lot less petty crime.
People just like to make a fuss for fucking no reason.
Sure. When you can't have a bank account because you are not complying with ID requirements we'll talk.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Yep, because the world works just like CSI.... Criminals leave semen everywhere
Sorry dude. Doesn't work like that.
I'm all for smaller government, fuckers don't need my DNA, iris scans or an RFID chip in my arm. I'll give them my finger print only if I break the law.
But criminals generally don't brush their teeth before they leave the house of the person that they just murdered. And good luck finding eye lashes, and if DNA was collected, that would just make criminals more careful....ATG wrote:
Sure. When you can't have a bank account because you are not complying with ID requirements we'll talk.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Yep, because the world works just like CSI.... Criminals leave semen everywhere
Sorry dude. Doesn't work like that.
I'm all for smaller government, fuckers don't need my DNA, iris scans or an RFID chip in my arm. I'll give them my finger print only if I break the law.
They can get dna from your toothbrush, from your eyelashes, skin flakes on your bed sheet or from a spoon you've eaten from.
In principle, I agree with the idea of smaller government, but it seems like the more you look into it, the more you realize that we don't necessarily have a choice in shrinking certain aspects of government. The powers that be are pushing for things like DNA databases, and like they almost always do, they will get what they want eventually.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Yep, because the world works just like CSI.... Criminals leave semen everywhere
Sorry dude. Doesn't work like that.
I'm all for smaller government, fuckers don't need my DNA, iris scans or an RFID chip in my arm. I'll give them my finger print only if I break the law.
Numbers are so much different than the biological codes that make you who you are.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so many people here without social security numbers or credit cards or cell phones.
Well yes.. that's kind of the point. Because the current system is easy to forge, identity theft is easy. It's much harder to forge biometric data.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Numbers are so much different than the biological codes that make you who you are.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so many people here without social security numbers or credit cards or cell phones.
Okay, then they don't need my dna.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
in 2008, a number makes you who you are. cell phones get tracked even when theyre off. credit is really the only way to survive in this economy. you are an illegal immigrant if you dont have a SS#
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Biometrics would definitely make a difference. If you have to look into a retinal scanner to identify yourself, then it's far less likely that someone can impersonate someone else. The same goes for DNA samples or fingerprints.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
really doesnt make a difference. same as a fingerprint.
my DNA is already in a database.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Fair enough, if you want to give up your DNA, I'm sure as hell not going to stop you.
But I have done nothing to warrant the databasing of my genetic codes, so until then, I'm not giving it up
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