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so what if he is a muslim.  I dont care.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

so what if he is a muslim.  I dont care.

It shouldnt matter tbh

Mek-Izzle wrote:

siciliano732 wrote:

LaidBackNinja wrote:

The irony. Oh, the irony. You just complained that Obama MIGHT BE A MUSLIM, so he shouldn't be president. I don't think a muslim could hold office in the U.S. Neither could a jew or a buddhist. Or even an athiest. The U.S. pretty much only allows Christians to run for office.

right, as stated in my long post above...he is part of a church and claims to be christian yet, the church he belongs to never once has him denounce Islam, or be baptized.  ^^ read my post above.

So what if his church doesn't require him to denounce Islam or be baptised

you dont think its weird that he never had to denounce Islam, a faith that hates Christianity, and if you do so as denounce Islam, you are to be killed.  If he is not a Islamic follower, why would he not denounce it?  Plus once born into the Islamic faith, which he was, you cannot just back out of that.

DEVILS ADVOCATE PEOPLE....I AM JUST PROPOSING IDEAS TO THINK ABOUT! DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONAL AND GET WORKED UP OVER IT.

they are honestly silly ideas that have no anchor in reality.   he's not a nordic viking either, why doesnt he denounce odin?

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

LaidBackNinja wrote:

SgtSlutter wrote:

It shouldnt matter tbh

But it does matter. I'd be willing to bet any candidate that runs for office who openly declares to be a Muslim will NOT get elected.

siciliano732 wrote:

you dont think its weird that he never had to denounce Islam, a faith that hates Christianity

Islam does not hate Christianity. (Remember who started the crusades. It wasn't them.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Ellison_(politician)

I actually meant running for President, but good for him

BTW, people that were involved with clandestine activities with the Central Intelligence Agency dont usually talk about it.

so?

Im technically a catholic according to the army.  I denounced catholicism decades ago.  Obama has repeatedly said he is not a muslim.  Are you saying that Im a catholic even though i dont identify as one?  dont make much sense to me.  Id like to think I have a choice in these things.

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2008-03-14 08:50:43)

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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

BTW, people that were involved with clandestine activities with the Central Intelligence Agency dont usually talk about it.

^^what he said.

Paranoid ranting is what it sounded like to me (not the OP's words, but what he was relaying).

So, from what I can gather, one of the primary pieces of "proof" that Obama is actually a Muslim is that there hasn't been a fatwa put out on him for converting to Christianity? I only say "converting" because supposedly if he's born into a Muslim family, he is automatically Muslim, and has no choice in the matter when he reaches some age of majority.

Here are some pieces to think about:

1. His mother wasn't Muslim. So at best, he was born "half Muslim". Maybe a playground beating as a kid took care of the punishment for conversion, since he wasn't completely Muslim (which is an idiotic description anyway, as there are no unique Muslim genetic markers).

2. Muslims consider Christians "people of the book". That would imply they don't hate Christians, but feel the message of Islam is the true message from God.

3. All the talk about non-Christians being elected to office (specifically president): We came within a hair's breadth of having a Jewish man elected to the Vice Presidency. Kind of removes support for that theory.

What I find most troublesome about Obama and his religious life is that he refuses to denounce the insane rantings of the preacher at his church in Chicago. That guy makes Farrakhan sound fair and balanced.

siciliano732 wrote:

you dont think its weird that he never had to denounce Islam, a faith that hates Christianity, and if you do so as denounce Islam, you are to be killed.  If he is not a Islamic follower, why would he not denounce it?  Plus once born into the Islamic faith, which he was, you cannot just back out of that.

GunSlinger already answered this:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

they are honestly silly ideas that have no anchor in reality.   he's not a nordic viking either, why doesnt he denounce odin?

If you are worried that he can't back out of Islam since he was born into it, that might be a problem only if he wanted to live in an nation where Islam is law.  But since that isn't the case in the USA, why would his backing out be a problem?  Why should he have to specifically speak out against Islam?  To make you happy?  Please.  These theories are only put out there to scare the weak minded into thinking he is a terrorist.  That kind of shit only happens in movies, not in reality.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

FEOS wrote:

What I find most troublesome about Obama and his religious life is that he refuses to denounce the insane rantings of the preacher at his church in Chicago. That guy makes Farrakhan sound fair and balanced.

I agree completely but it is political pandering.  Just look at all the crazy evangelicals that support John McCain.

The difference there is McCain does not attend those churches.  At least, as far as I know.

SenorToenails wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

FEOS wrote:

What I find most troublesome about Obama and his religious life is that he refuses to denounce the insane rantings of the preacher at his church in Chicago. That guy makes Farrakhan sound fair and balanced.

I agree completely but it is political pandering.  Just look at all the crazy evangelicals that support John McCain.

The difference there is McCain does not attend those churches.  At least, as far as I know.

I see what you are saying.  I just dont care what the opinions are of a preacher of a church that he goes to.   Theyve been speaking up about it a lot in the past, seems only now its started to gain any weight in the media.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I see what you are saying.  I just dont care what the opinions are of a preacher of a church that he goes to.   Theyve been speaking up about it a lot in the past, seems only now its started to gain any weight in the media.

That preacher is nuts, but I don't think his congregation holds his beliefs.  It just seems like political poison for a presidential hopeful to be a member of the church.