I don't find homos to be offensive as long as they don't go like crazy queens in front of my kid. They can do anything they like but not in public. Offensive would be two guys kissing each other in front of a kid. Two girls would be ok, lol.G3|Genius wrote:
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furthermore, we are to be tolerant of the person, and absolutely not the action. I think not enough people are intolerant of immorality.
Homosexual activity is wrong.
I dont' care whether you like it or not, that's the truth.
and if you find that offensive, think about this: You never cared if I found it offensive that you think that it's OKAY.
Actually the bible says you're supposed to run around killing them.well running around being a jerk to gay people isn't what we are supposed to do as Christians
Not that I have anything against the chocolate speedway brigade, just making a point from the Old Testament.
I don't recall anything Jesus said about gays one way or the other.
Fuck Israel
Whatever.The_Mac wrote:
I frankly see this as an issue that Serge the Purge keeps trying to stir the pot with when he has nothing else in his life worth to talk about. Because he's doing this frequently, I think it's safe to assume, nothing much is going on his head, so I hope these recent threads have been mentally stimulating to him, if he reads them, because with the amount of effort and thoughtfulness people on either side are putting on, he could be a professor at Harvard.
Regardless, I see this issue as one constantly thrown about, but clumsily, like one would try and pitch a feather to an over-eager batter.
Who cares?
If you're Gay, and you're a Christian, you're not going to hell. God explicitly states in Leviticus (old testament) that sodomy and homosexuality are sins, but that's the whole point Jesus came down to save humanity. It's irrelevant.
God does not want to condemn people, John explicitly states that:
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
-John 3:17
I see this as the answer to all problems. Grinding your head in the dirt, and trying to find problems with God's love is a useless waste of time. I think Serge would be better off standing in a bucket and trying it lift it up with the handles than try and contemplate the errors with unconditional love.
So it doesn't matter, in a theological sense, because homosexuality is a sin, but living without sin was only possible with Jesus, as far as I know.
So in short: Serge, worry about yourself, if that's too difficult, study things before opening up about how uninformed you are, and adopt the famed "live and let live" policy which you yourself trumpet and lambast the rest of us with.
They are gay because they have homosexual activity. Do you know any gay that doesn't? You are acting like I don't condemn gay people I just condemn what they do, and people are what they do.G3|Genius wrote:
Never once did I say that being a homosexual is wrong.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Because it's not discriminatory if I think that it's okay.
It's the same thing as me saying that having colored skin is wrong.
Or having cerebral palsy is wrong.
Believe me, being gay is not a choice, I had a long discussion about this with my gay aunt. She said that if she could choose, she would be straight without a doubt. If she could choose.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
I said that homosexual activity is wrong. HUGE difference. No person is intrinsically wrong. Many actions are intrinsically wrong.
The difference between "us Christians" and you is, at least we try, whereas you just give up because you're too cowardly to try. It takes courage to try, man...it really does.
He said "You shall love your neighbor". What if your neighbor is gay? Should you move?Dilbert_X wrote:
Actually the bible says you're supposed to run around killing them.well running around being a jerk to gay people isn't what we are supposed to do as Christians
Not that I have anything against the chocolate speedway brigade, just making a point from the Old Testament.
I don't recall anything Jesus said about gays one way or the other.
Not sure, I recommend we discuss the contradictions (or are they.....) between the old and new testaments though.
That should be fun.
That should be fun.
Fuck Israel
Erm, wut?FallenMorgan wrote:
Conservatives in general are morons. Jesus supposedly taught about tolerance, yet for the past two thousand years Christians have persecuted Jews, Muslims, homosexuals, and women.
When have Christians persecuted any of those?
Westboro doesnt count.
Ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades...?Dragonclaw wrote:
Erm, wut?FallenMorgan wrote:
Conservatives in general are morons. Jesus supposedly taught about tolerance, yet for the past two thousand years Christians have persecuted Jews, Muslims, homosexuals, and women.
When have Christians persecuted any of those?
Westboro doesnt count.
OT = law, sacrifices, immediate harsh punishment for immoralityDilbert_X wrote:
Not sure, I recommend we discuss the contradictions (or are they.....) between the old and new testaments though.
That should be fun.
NT = grace, change of the heart, no immediate punishment
The principles of what is immoral did not change in the NT, but the focus then shifted ... from law, sacrifices, immediate punishment for immorality to grace and a change of heart after Jesus' ultimate sacrifice for sin on the cross. That's an incredibly simplistic summary, but if you want to understand it in depth, I recommend deeper study on your own.
The Gospels and epistles in the NT are written from different perspectives by unique authors, however the message is very consistent as one reads through them. Paul was not a homophobe, note that "sexually immoral" would apply to everyone. Also note the he did not single out homosexuality, rather he included idolatry, adultery, theft, greed, slander, etc. The term homophobe annoys me tbh as it's applied with such broad strokes to anyone stating homosexuality is immoral.sergeriver wrote:
Every Gospel in the NT is written in very different ways. I mean you may think the bias of the people who wrote them made all the Gospels talking of the same subject very different than the others. Maybe Paul was a homophobe. Maybe the others were not. I find it funny that it mentions male prostitutes but whores are ok.Stingray24 wrote:
Not specifically voiced by Jesus ... this is from Paul, one of the apostles in the NT.sergeriver wrote:
Which ones of Jesus teachings are being contradicted by gay lifestyle?
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
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Okay, wrong by your standards..G3|Genius wrote:
Never once did I say that being a homosexual is wrong.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Because it's not discriminatory if I think that it's okay.
It's the same thing as me saying that having colored skin is wrong.
Or having cerebral palsy is wrong.
Believe me, being gay is not a choice, I had a long discussion about this with my gay aunt. She said that if she could choose, she would be straight without a doubt. If she could choose.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
I said that homosexual activity is wrong. HUGE difference. No person is intrinsically wrong. Many actions are intrinsically wrong.
The difference between "us Christians" and you is, at least we try, whereas you just give up because you're too cowardly to try. It takes courage to try, man...it really does.
What do you mean at least you try? How the hell is getting over my ignorance and realizing that I was a sheep cowardly? Am I a coward because I don't need a book to tell me what to believe and how I should live my life? Am I a coward because I've developed my own moral standards? Maybe I don't understand what you're trying to say there..
What good is truth if it changes based on the individual ...
What good is truth if it is imposed upon you based on your church rules...Stingray24 wrote:
What good is truth if it changes based on the individual ...
Those were catholics, not christians.CameronPoe wrote:
Ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades...?Dragonclaw wrote:
Erm, wut?FallenMorgan wrote:
Conservatives in general are morons. Jesus supposedly taught about tolerance, yet for the past two thousand years Christians have persecuted Jews, Muslims, homosexuals, and women.
When have Christians persecuted any of those?
Westboro doesnt count.
The Spanish Inquisition was Catholics persecuting Protestant Christians, not Jews.
The Crusades all failed miserably.
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Catholics are Christians.Dragonclaw wrote:
Those were catholics, not christians.CameronPoe wrote:
Ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades...?Dragonclaw wrote:
Erm, wut?
When have Christians persecuted any of those?
Westboro doesnt count.
No they are not. They are catholic.sergeriver wrote:
Catholics are Christians.Dragonclaw wrote:
Those were catholics, not christians.CameronPoe wrote:
Ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades...?
Catholics are not Christians
They hold a different belief and think that Mary is on a level with God.
Same with Mormons and JWs
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Emmm, Catholics are Christians. Even an infidel like me knows that.Dragonclaw wrote:
No they are not. They are catholic.sergeriver wrote:
Catholics are Christians.Dragonclaw wrote:
Those were catholics, not christians.
Catholics are not Christians
They hold a different belief and think that Mary is on a level with God.
Gotta agree with Serge on this one.Dragonclaw wrote:
No they are not. They are catholic.sergeriver wrote:
Catholics are Christians.Dragonclaw wrote:
Those were catholics, not christians.
Catholics are not Christians
They hold a different belief and think that Mary is on a level with God.
Same with Mormons and JWs
All those denominations believe Jesus Christ was the Messiah and Savior. Hence, they are all Christians.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
As I understand it from Catholic friends, they do pray to Mary at times. However, she is still considered a person, not divine or equal with Jesus, and functions as in intermediary of sorts. That's their theological stance anyway. I'm not sure how other Catholics may approach it. I do disagree with their teaching that Mary was sinless, though.
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Irish Catholics, for the greater part revere Mary as the mother of Jesus, she is not viewed as equal to God or Jesus, so they appeal to her in prayer to intercede on our behalf - at the end of the day don't all mothers have their sons ears?? personally I think this is derived more so from the pre-Christian pagan beliefs that were prevalent on this island in times when the sacred Feminine was revered for millennia by my ancestors, but there ye go..
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