A little too broad.
All laws infringe on personal rights and freedoms to some degree.
All laws infringe on personal rights and freedoms to some degree.
Poll
Would You Give Up Your Rights and Civil Liberties for Your Country?
| Yes, my country comes first | 4% | 4% - 4 | ||||
| Only if there's a real threat to my country | 13% | 13% - 13 | ||||
| It depends on what rights and civil liberties (explain) | 16% | 16% - 16 | ||||
| Never, I come first | 23% | 23% - 23 | ||||
| If my country asked me to do that then fuck my country | 42% | 42% - 41 | ||||
| Total: 97 | ||||||
Every law is you giving up your rights.
Last edited by Ajax_the_Great1 (2008-03-05 16:14:58)
Ok, now your reply is a little too broad. Civil liberties and laws are not the same thing. The law preventing you from parking more than 18" from a curb is not violating any civil liberties or any rights. Murdering is not a civil liberty or right in any way shape or form.Pug wrote:
A little too broad.
All laws infringe on personal rights and freedoms to some degree.
Nope, not in this life time. I'd say the same thing if I was a citizen of any country.
If there were no laws you would have no rights.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Every law is you giving up your rights.
Last edited by (T)eflon(S)hadow (2008-03-05 16:45:17)
QFT!unnamednewbie13 wrote:
It really depends on what you're talking about here. Which rights, and to do what? Understandable if you're giving up some personal freedoms to voluntarily serve in the military, absurd if you're abandoning privacy or the ability to defend yourself for 'enhanced security.'
I was about to say that.
Voluntarily sacrificing some liberty for the good of others (i.e. military/civil service), I can agree with...otherwise, no.
Nope, which is why none have been taken from us to date. If you think so, please list themsergeriver wrote:
Would you or not? Which rights and civil liberties would you give up? If so in which situations?
If my country asked me to give up my rights, it wouldn't be a capitalist society. We would be stripped of our freedom.
It would begin to turn into a dictatorship and I would not like that.
It would begin to turn into a dictatorship and I would not like that.
Our rights and civil liberties are only what we say they are. Slavery used to be considered a right.
well, you know where the report button is, I suppose.usmarine wrote:
you only close the other ones anywayB.Schuss wrote:
why do I get the feeling that some people are always creating retaliatory threads or concentrate on certain topics ?
well, tbh, I was having the impression that you created this thread specifically as a response to this thread http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=95115&p=1sergeriver wrote:
Uhhh?B.Schuss wrote:
why do I get the feeling that some people are always creating retaliatory threads or concentrate on certain topics ?
But I may be wrong, of course. Who am I to second-guess the motivations of certain people here ?
However, when loooking at the thread history here in D&ST in the last couple of weeks/months, I personally think it is pretty obvious that there is a tendency to try to "get back" at some people through the creation of specific topics.
Wether that is the result of a deliberate strategy, or simply a natural result of the nature of the topics that we discuss, is for everyone to decide, I guess. I was merely stating an impression of mine.
Where in THIS thread did I say anything about that?lowing wrote:
Nope, which is why none have been taken from us to date. If you think so, please list themsergeriver wrote:
Would you or not? Which rights and civil liberties would you give up? If so in which situations?
I won't tell I never started a retaliatory thread, but this is not the case. That thread you are talking about is Turquoise's and I agree with him in almost everything. I like to make retaliatory threads for Lowing, just for fun.B.Schuss wrote:
well, tbh, I was having the impression that you created this thread specifically as a response to this thread http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=95115&p=1sergeriver wrote:
Uhhh?B.Schuss wrote:
why do I get the feeling that some people are always creating retaliatory threads or concentrate on certain topics ?
But I may be wrong, of course. Who am I to second-guess the motivations of certain people here ?
However, when loooking at the thread history here in D&ST in the last couple of weeks/months, I personally think it is pretty obvious that there is a tendency to try to "get back" at some people through the creation of specific topics.
Wether that is the result of a deliberate strategy, or simply a natural result of the nature of the topics that we discuss, is for everyone to decide, I guess. I was merely stating an impression of mine.
LOL.......In THIS thread, nowheresergeriver wrote:
Where in THIS thread did I say anything about that?lowing wrote:
Nope, which is why none have been taken from us to date. If you think so, please list themsergeriver wrote:
Would you or not? Which rights and civil liberties would you give up? If so in which situations?
Yes, I am his karma builder,sergeriver wrote:
I won't tell I never started a retaliatory thread, but this is not the case. That thread you are talking about is Turquoise's and I agree with him in almost everything. I like to make retaliatory threads for Lowing, just for fun.B.Schuss wrote:
well, tbh, I was having the impression that you created this thread specifically as a response to this thread http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=95115&p=1sergeriver wrote:
Uhhh?
But I may be wrong, of course. Who am I to second-guess the motivations of certain people here ?
However, when loooking at the thread history here in D&ST in the last couple of weeks/months, I personally think it is pretty obvious that there is a tendency to try to "get back" at some people through the creation of specific topics.
Wether that is the result of a deliberate strategy, or simply a natural result of the nature of the topics that we discuss, is for everyone to decide, I guess. I was merely stating an impression of mine.
If not for my existence Serge would have about 53 karma points
Last edited by lowing (2008-03-06 03:34:58)
True.lowing wrote:
Yes, I am his karma builder,sergeriver wrote:
I won't tell I never started a retaliatory thread, but this is not the case. That thread you are talking about is Turquoise's and I agree with him in almost everything. I like to make retaliatory threads for Lowing, just for fun.B.Schuss wrote:
well, tbh, I was having the impression that you created this thread specifically as a response to this thread http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=95115&p=1
But I may be wrong, of course. Who am I to second-guess the motivations of certain people here ?
However, when loooking at the thread history here in D&ST in the last couple of weeks/months, I personally think it is pretty obvious that there is a tendency to try to "get back" at some people through the creation of specific topics.
Wether that is the result of a deliberate strategy, or simply a natural result of the nature of the topics that we discuss, is for everyone to decide, I guess. I was merely stating an impression of mine.
If not for my existence Serge would have about 53 karma points
Yes. It's the un-free countries that have rebels and terror bombings. Quite frankly I'll go rambo if America attempts to take away MY FUCKING RIGHTS TO SAY MY FUCKING RIGHTS. lol.Parker wrote:
if they asked, it would be time to utilize the second amendment.
The flaw in this thread's theme is that we usually don't have a choice in the matter when a government decides to take away our rights.
A better question is probably: Would you revolt against the government if they took away your rights?
My answer would probably be, "No, I'd do everything possible to flee the country."
A better question is probably: Would you revolt against the government if they took away your rights?
My answer would probably be, "No, I'd do everything possible to flee the country."
But where-ever you go, same shit, different place.Turquoise wrote:
The flaw in this thread's theme is that we usually don't have a choice in the matter when a government decides to take away our rights.
A better question is probably: Would you revolt against the government if they took away your rights?
My answer would probably be, "No, I'd do everything possible to flee the country."
Um... if that were the case, no one would get on rafts to float from Cuba to America.Chou wrote:
But where-ever you go, same shit, different place.Turquoise wrote:
The flaw in this thread's theme is that we usually don't have a choice in the matter when a government decides to take away our rights.
A better question is probably: Would you revolt against the government if they took away your rights?
My answer would probably be, "No, I'd do everything possible to flee the country."
Well, I love responding with quotes from the past.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." [Samuel Adams]
"In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, 'Make us your slaves, but feed us.'" [Dosteovsky's 'Grand Inquisitor']
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ..." [President Bill Clinton, 'USA Today' March 11, 1993: Page 2A]
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." [Samuel Adams]
"In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, 'Make us your slaves, but feed us.'" [Dosteovsky's 'Grand Inquisitor']
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ..." [President Bill Clinton, 'USA Today' March 11, 1993: Page 2A]
...damn shame, that's the most unAmerican thing that I've ever read.CloakedStarship wrote:
Civil liberties are a luxury, I would gladly give them up for no particular reason.
That quote has been attributed to Ben, but he never said it. It was a huge stretch off of what he really said.usmarine wrote:
dont like people who owned slaves talking about liberty and freedom. makes me sick when people quote these guys.ReTox wrote:
Don't Like Ben Franklin?usmarine wrote:
oh jesus
... and you don't count, you'd give up your civil liberties for a chocolate chip cookie
...and you would not give them up until some akmed blows up your local mall.CommieChipmunk wrote:
... and you don't count, you'd give up your civil liberties for a chocolate chip cookie
which is worse?
Revolution...
Sounds awefully tempting in that instance
But then let's face it, a Revolution in England as a result of our freedoms being taken from us is HIGHLY unlikely, due to the general IQ of the latest generation and the inability and lack of impact the middle class have on what is done on a governmental level.
Sounds awefully tempting in that instance
But then let's face it, a Revolution in England as a result of our freedoms being taken from us is HIGHLY unlikely, due to the general IQ of the latest generation and the inability and lack of impact the middle class have on what is done on a governmental level.
Last edited by XanKrieger (2008-03-09 17:00:37)
Nope.