BF2S Forums Apparently Palestinian Babies Are Now Terrorists

IRONCHEF wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

IRON CHEF.....you said this:

"No, Israel/USA does NOT care if children are targeted or accidentally killed"

When you state it that way, then you are saying that Israel AND the USA ARE purposely targeting children and then you even follow up and say you believe that they have!!!! So where was I wrong?

Also, you believe that the US government doesn't care if children are targeted....are you insane? And when did our government shoot and kill any Palestinians, let alone children.....maybe you need to be clear and not generalize so much.

Ugh...even if you can't read, I already explained myself twice.  But to humor you, this is how you read ENGLISH...  There is this thing called "tense."  The quotation you made above shows that I said collectively, that Israel and the United States does not care if children are targeted (notice the tense of the word "target") or accidentally killed (again, notice the consecutive and reafirming tense in the word "kill").   Being in the "past" tense, it refers to it already being done, therefore they don't care once it's been done...not actively being done.

If I said Israel and the US was purposefully targeting (target+ing = present participle...meaning NOW and presumably in the future), I'd ahve said, "Israel/USA does not care about children and targets and accidentally kills them freely"

See the difference.  I do, and it's a horrible notion that you'd think I'd say such a thing....no civilized nation would publicly say they purposefully target and kill kids.

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

It is happening on BOTH sides and they are both wrong and that is why it needs to stop sooner or later. The two sides have to stop the killing and the vicious cycle of death and violence. Whet I get tired of is the one sided attack against Israel when terrorists keep lobbing bombs into Israel on a daily basis. Do you think it is okay when an innocent Israeli dies from a missile or suicide attack? IT GOES BOTH WAYS AND THEY BOTH NEED TO STOP.

The Palestinians have a legitimate right and cause to have their own land and so does Israel. The main problem is that you have Islamic terror organizations using this conflict and high jacking a legitimate cause to further their effort to totally wipe out Israel. That is a FACT. If the Palestinian people could clean house and get rid of the extremism then something positive could happen.

STOP BLAMING ONE SIDE.......THE BOTH DESERVE CONDEMNATION!!!!!!!!!!!

dimascurtu wrote:

"how is the USA being dragged into this especially trying to say that USA kills Palestinian children???"

...well.. the US funds everything that Israel does.. so they sorta are killing Palestinian children..

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Whenever the post isn't going their way and an American speaks out trying to show the evils on BOTH sides....Braddock pulls out the "big, bad America" card. Braddock, you are so set on the focusing on hate towards a few countries that you will never understand that war, conflicts and fighting will have these types of things happening regardless of how careful you want to be. You can go ahead and blame the US and Israel for EVERYTHING that is bad....that if your right....but lets all remember that America has had its fair share of "doing the right thing"

As I have stated before....no country is innocent when it comes to war, not even your Braddock. So stop trying to act like your shit dont stink. Stop acting like only Palestinians are suffering the loss of children, stop trying to act like there is not a vicious cycle caused by BOTH sides and stop trying to drag America and some of its past into these types of threads. Stay on your own topic

IRONCHEF wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

UGHHH.....Here is exactly what you posted:

"I didn't say they purposefully target them, BUT I HAVE NO DOUBT IT'S BEEN DONE!"

YOU READ...you say exactly that so how am I supposed to think you mean something else. You believe that children have been targeted!

Again, if you read my following comments, I made it clear that publicly, Israel/USA does not target children.  That is a whole lot of difference between what goes on on the ground.  If you're in a humvee rolling through hostile neighborhoods in Iraq, and you have a standing order to shoot people standing in front of your vehicle, or at vehicles pulling in front of or blocking you, or even approaching you from behind, does it take a genius to realize that said soldier is going to get some binoclulars out and verify the occupants of the vehicles before unleasing some 50 cal on them?

I do frequent a liberal blog (a couple actually) and since March 2003 I've seen the pictures, seen the clips, seen the news that didn't get wide acclaim.  it's not a secret that children have been targeted directly or indirectly, on purpose or accidentally.  I would bet from some military members of this board that in the real hot areas they've been given standing orders to shoot "anything" in their way.  And yes, because enemies use children, animals, women, etc for bombs, this makes such orders possible.

And please don't make me whip out the Ava videos...

So yes, I have no doubt that children have been targeted by Israelis and Americans.  Doesn't mean it's official, public policy, but it's been done..either ordered or individual decision by someone over the edge or passed feeling.  I think some here would say "war is hell" for a reason.

Braddock wrote:

I just hate it when one side always tries to pass themselves off as the good guys. I didn't say anything about America in my OP. Asides from where the weapons come from and the support given to the two sides the issue is purely about Israel.

Braddock wrote:

I have to listen to so much shit on the TV about 'Muslim extremists' and 'insurgents' and the 'war on terror' every day while countries like Israel go around murdering babies and calling it 'collateral damage'.

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dimascurtu wrote:

"how is the USA being dragged into this especially trying to say that USA kills Palestinian children???"

...well.. the US funds everything that Israel does.. so they sorta are killing Palestinian children..

dimascurtu wrote:

"Most idiotic post of the day....AK47 guns probably kill more than anything in the world....So I guess we better blame the Russians for all the murder, war deaths around the world and all the executions in China. Those damn Russians!!"

there's a very complicated history of the ak47... apparently russia isnt involved in most of it.

Braddock wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Whenever the post isn't going their way and an American speaks out trying to show the evils on BOTH sides....Braddock pulls out the "big, bad America" card. Braddock, you are so set on the focusing on hate towards a few countries that you will never understand that war, conflicts and fighting will have these types of things happening regardless of how careful you want to be. You can go ahead and blame the US and Israel for EVERYTHING that is bad....that if your right....but lets all remember that America has had its fair share of "doing the right thing"

As I have stated before....no country is innocent when it comes to war, not even your Braddock. So stop trying to act like your shit dont stink. Stop acting like only Palestinians are suffering the loss of children, stop trying to act like there is not a vicious cycle caused by BOTH sides and stop trying to drag America and some of its past into these types of threads. Stay on your own topic

I just hate it when one side always tries to pass themselves off as the good guys. I didn't say anything about America in my OP. Asides from where the weapons come from and the support given to the two sides the issue is purely about Israel.