All U Guys Do Is Fucking Talk About How Bad The Aa Was Know Its Too Good Ur All Hypocrites The Patch Is Fine And The Fucking People Dont Know Wat They Are Talking About!!!!!!! Also Ea Thank U For Killing Bunny Hoppers And Dolphin Divers That Y U Probably All Ahte The New Patch Fucking Noobs That Y So Go Suck A Fucking Dick Everyone And Have Fun Witht Eh New Patch Ur Going To Have To Learn To Lkie It Noobs!
Hey Gabber I hope you are not referring to me. I am all about the stupid noobs that whine and complain that the patch is gay and sucks. I am glad it came out. Now those MF that hate it are gonna get a taste of this medicine and then are gonna have to suck it up. Because it aint going away.
ive figured out how to avoid it, blow it up, had 150 on wake today, WITH all AA positions in enemy hands
The most compelling argument I've heard in this thread about why AA is better now is: "haha you noob/asshole/[insert insult here] plane/chopperwhores are screwed now." Thats a very good argument, and I'm glad that civilized discourse is still a high priority around here. Now, for everyone saying things like that, isn't it past your bedtime? The grownups are trying to talk now.
So, why are the new anti aircraft missiles a bad thing? They're the exact opposite of missiles in the previous patch. Before you could fire at a stationary object with no flares and probably miss, and now you can fire at any solid lock whatsoever and probably hit. The new missiles are the result of the people who in the previous patch said things like "omgzor, I shot my missiles at that airplane that was moving at 1200 k and banking heavily away from me and dropping flares and my missiles didnt hit? AA sucks!" well AA did suck, but so did you. I for one am glad they improved AA, but they went too far. I would have been satisfied if shooting at a target that wasnt doing insane maneuvers or dropping flares hit. But hitting a target doing everything humanly possible to avoid being hit is too much.
Yes it's here to stay, and I'll enjoy slaughtering all you AA whores in my chopper.
So, why are the new anti aircraft missiles a bad thing? They're the exact opposite of missiles in the previous patch. Before you could fire at a stationary object with no flares and probably miss, and now you can fire at any solid lock whatsoever and probably hit. The new missiles are the result of the people who in the previous patch said things like "omgzor, I shot my missiles at that airplane that was moving at 1200 k and banking heavily away from me and dropping flares and my missiles didnt hit? AA sucks!" well AA did suck, but so did you. I for one am glad they improved AA, but they went too far. I would have been satisfied if shooting at a target that wasnt doing insane maneuvers or dropping flares hit. But hitting a target doing everything humanly possible to avoid being hit is too much.
Yes it's here to stay, and I'll enjoy slaughtering all you AA whores in my chopper.
Excuse me!!! But Who the Freak do you think you are??? Granite you don't know how old I am and so, I guess I can't complain on that. Actually, My KIDS are in BED moron. Also, Being in the Military and knowing what those missiles can do. Yeah, why don't you try and rethink that for a bit. Those missiles are pretty darn hard to lose. That is why they made them better now. AND YES ONE MISSILE WILL TAKE OUT A JET EVEN FLYING AT 1200K. As for the those helo pilots, sorry but your time is up also buddy. Have a seat son!!!Skruples wrote:
The most compelling argument I've heard in this thread about why AA is better now is: "haha you noob/asshole/[insert insult here] plane/chopperwhores are screwed now." Thats a very good argument, and I'm glad that civilized discourse is still a high priority around here. Now, for everyone saying things like that, isn't it past your bedtime? The grownups are trying to talk now.
So, why are the new anti aircraft missiles a bad thing? They're the exact opposite of missiles in the previous patch. Before you could fire at a stationary object with no flares and probably miss, and now you can fire at any solid lock whatsoever and probably hit. The new missiles are the result of the people who in the previous patch said things like "omgzor, I shot my missiles at that airplane that was moving at 1200 k and banking heavily away from me and dropping flares and my missiles didnt hit? AA sucks!" well AA did suck, but so did you. I for one am glad they improved AA, but they went too far. I would have been satisfied if shooting at a target that wasnt doing insane maneuvers or dropping flares hit. But hitting a target doing everything humanly possible to avoid being hit is too much.
Yes it's here to stay, and I'll enjoy slaughtering all you AA whores in my chopper.
Here is a little something to read to put you to sleep tonight
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/stinger.htm
I hope you enjoy.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/stinger.htm
I hope you enjoy.
EVERYONE. you need skill to be in an air veichicle. i dont mind the aa at all
Some points:
It is still entirely possible to avoid incoming sam/aa, assuming you are not a noob and let them fire at your stern aspect ( at wich point you are doomed, and should be)
IRL: if the person is firing at you is above and behind you, dropping flares is useless. At that aspect, all modern ir missiles simply aim for the target that is in front, and is not slowing down (because it has a jet engine).
Flares are only confusing at other aspects, where there is no similarily easy way to determine wich is the real target.
To repeat:
If you let an enemy jet get onto your 6 in *perfect* kill position, you *deserve* to die.
If you *give* an enemy sam a *perfect* up-the-kilt shot, you *deserve* to die.
Any other situation, it is entirely possible to avoid incoming missiles, it is just that a *gentle* bank is no longer enough. You must now violently maneuver such that your flares are the best target for the missile, and that by the time it has passed through the flares, you are no longer in its target window.
Try it, it works.
Also, you might want to start lower in order to avoid giving ground fire los on you from farther away.
Alternatively, you can fly high enoug that ground sam can't see you. wich in this game is 350ish meters above ground.
For too long, planewhores have been able to fly in and prosper in what is by all rights the killzones of sams.
That has been fixed.
It is still possible to get high scores in jets, if you have a clue. It is just no longer as simple as bombing point X every 20 seconds.
Adapt or die.
It is still entirely possible to avoid incoming sam/aa, assuming you are not a noob and let them fire at your stern aspect ( at wich point you are doomed, and should be)
IRL: if the person is firing at you is above and behind you, dropping flares is useless. At that aspect, all modern ir missiles simply aim for the target that is in front, and is not slowing down (because it has a jet engine).
Flares are only confusing at other aspects, where there is no similarily easy way to determine wich is the real target.
To repeat:
If you let an enemy jet get onto your 6 in *perfect* kill position, you *deserve* to die.
If you *give* an enemy sam a *perfect* up-the-kilt shot, you *deserve* to die.
Any other situation, it is entirely possible to avoid incoming missiles, it is just that a *gentle* bank is no longer enough. You must now violently maneuver such that your flares are the best target for the missile, and that by the time it has passed through the flares, you are no longer in its target window.
Try it, it works.
Also, you might want to start lower in order to avoid giving ground fire los on you from farther away.
Alternatively, you can fly high enoug that ground sam can't see you. wich in this game is 350ish meters above ground.
For too long, planewhores have been able to fly in and prosper in what is by all rights the killzones of sams.
That has been fixed.
It is still possible to get high scores in jets, if you have a clue. It is just no longer as simple as bombing point X every 20 seconds.
Adapt or die.
OH yeah, and here is the missile that is on the carrier so I hope you like it.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/rim-7.htm
Now that is a Beautiful Missile
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/rim-7.htm
Now that is a Beautiful Missile
im just mad at the physics. the ACTUALL Stinger missile system is about a 2 foot long missile with a 30 lb warhead. now if you have any sense of physics at all, a 50 pound missile cannot change directions so fast, or it will destabilize and tuble out of control. show me one missile in history than can make more than a 45 degree turn
Just glad i got my heli and ariel ribbon
JET/CHOPPER WHORES ->> HAHAHA <<-
JET/CHOPPER WHORES ->> HAHAHA <<-
Strkkyer I understand what you are saying. I am just going off facts as to what that website says. So, I am not arguing about it. I am just venting my frustrations on those that have to complain about everything when ever there is a change made. It is like dude just play the freakin game. Who cares what everyone else thinks. You know.
Man I can't spell tonight. Sitting here at work answering phone calls. Sorry about that Stryyker.
no problem, we all have our days.PFCStenzel wrote:
Man I can't spell tonight. Sitting here at work answering phone calls. Sorry about that Stryyker.
i made myself laugh thinking about this crazy AA in real life, the Iraqi piolts complaining to the UN about how unrealistic the AA of the USMC is. ;ol
You're in the military, wow. I'm a neurosurgeon and an olympic athlete. Well, not really, but it's pretty easy to say isn't it. Now, I dont care if youre a military strategist and work in the Pentagon, because this is a game. As many people have pointed out, it's not realistic. I imagine bomber pilots in real life aren't trained to release their ordnance at 20m AGL, (thats "above ground level"), and the U.S aircraft carriers usually dont get to use those nice beautiful missiles because they're several hundred miles out to sea, and protected by dozens of aircraft and an escort fleet.PFCStenzel wrote:
Excuse me!!! But Who the Freak do you think you are??? Granite you don't know how old I am and so, I guess I can't complain on that. Actually, My KIDS are in BED moron. Also, Being in the Military and knowing what those missiles can do. Yeah, why don't you try and rethink that for a bit. Those missiles are pretty darn hard to lose. That is why they made them better now. AND YES ONE MISSILE WILL TAKE OUT A JET EVEN FLYING AT 1200K. As for the those helo pilots, sorry but your time is up also buddy. Have a seat son!!!Skruples wrote:
The most compelling argument I've heard in this thread about why AA is better now is: "haha you noob/asshole/[insert insult here] plane/chopperwhores are screwed now." Thats a very good argument, and I'm glad that civilized discourse is still a high priority around here. Now, for everyone saying things like that, isn't it past your bedtime? The grownups are trying to talk now.
So, why are the new anti aircraft missiles a bad thing? They're the exact opposite of missiles in the previous patch. Before you could fire at a stationary object with no flares and probably miss, and now you can fire at any solid lock whatsoever and probably hit. The new missiles are the result of the people who in the previous patch said things like "omgzor, I shot my missiles at that airplane that was moving at 1200 k and banking heavily away from me and dropping flares and my missiles didnt hit? AA sucks!" well AA did suck, but so did you. I for one am glad they improved AA, but they went too far. I would have been satisfied if shooting at a target that wasnt doing insane maneuvers or dropping flares hit. But hitting a target doing everything humanly possible to avoid being hit is too much.
Yes it's here to stay, and I'll enjoy slaughtering all you AA whores in my chopper.
My point was the game should have a balance. It shouldn't be impossible to kill jets and helicopters with AA like it was before the patch, and it shouldn't be as easy as it is now. Using anti-aircraft should involve some sort of skill, just like avoiding being killed by AA should involve skill and not blind luck.
P.S: Granite is a type of rock. "granted" is the term you should have used.
Last edited by Skruples (2006-02-16 21:53:42)
1) I have better stats as infantry than you.PFCStenzel wrote:
Dude, just because your a jet whore and probably never fired a gun on the ground like some of the others that are sick of you Plane whores. This is the beginning of us giving you a taste of your own medicine. I hope you like the way it is gonna go down. Stinger and IGLA pills, we will make sure and coat them nice and slimy so they go down easy. BECAUSE IF I SEE YOU IN A PLANE, I AM GOING TO SHOW NO MERCY TOWARDS YOU PLANE WHORES!!!!!=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:
yes, and it's absolutely TOO good. Air to air takes no skill now, ground to air takes no skill. It's point and click... no, wait, I'm sorry, don't have to point. just click blindly and chances are you'll kill something. BULLSHIT.
Dice has not balanced the game, but completely unbalanced it the opposite way. Though I am working on finding a way to get away from the missles, and I've almsot gotten it I think, it's still too good. But I am glad they weakend the missles(takes three[3] to take a jet) but it wasn't enough. Especialy on the Carrier... 2 essex guns, (6?) missles on each. You will NOT get anywhere near it alive.
2) I'm not a plane whore. I am a Jet Pilot. I don't whore.
3) You'll die if you get in that IGLA/Stinger/Essex. Especially if I'm in the air.
4) This is three games after the patch. 25% (if not much more) of these kills are AA.
^That one death was a teamkill, and not even AA. it was the other jet ramming into me.
Ofcourse these are nothing compared to my pre1.2 IAR kills, but it's a start.
Here's my pre1.2 if you wanted to know:
u have such a high KDR ratio , nice
LAWLZ Pwned.Skruples wrote:
You're in the military, wow. I'm a neurosurgeon and an olympic athlete. Well, not really, but it's pretty easy to say isn't it. Now, I dont care if youre a military strategist and work in the Pentagon, because this is a game. As many people have pointed out, it's not realistic. I imagine bomber pilots in real life aren't trained to release their ordnance at 20m AGL, (thats "above ground level"), and the U.S aircraft carriers usually dont get to use those nice beautiful missiles because they're several hundred miles out to sea, and protected by dozens of aircraft and an escort fleet.PFCStenzel wrote:
Excuse me!!! But Who the Freak do you think you are??? Granite you don't know how old I am and so, I guess I can't complain on that. Actually, My KIDS are in BED moron. Also, Being in the Military and knowing what those missiles can do. Yeah, why don't you try and rethink that for a bit. Those missiles are pretty darn hard to lose. That is why they made them better now. AND YES ONE MISSILE WILL TAKE OUT A JET EVEN FLYING AT 1200K. As for the those helo pilots, sorry but your time is up also buddy. Have a seat son!!!Skruples wrote:
The most compelling argument I've heard in this thread about why AA is better now is: "haha you noob/asshole/[insert insult here] plane/chopperwhores are screwed now." Thats a very good argument, and I'm glad that civilized discourse is still a high priority around here. Now, for everyone saying things like that, isn't it past your bedtime? The grownups are trying to talk now.
So, why are the new anti aircraft missiles a bad thing? They're the exact opposite of missiles in the previous patch. Before you could fire at a stationary object with no flares and probably miss, and now you can fire at any solid lock whatsoever and probably hit. The new missiles are the result of the people who in the previous patch said things like "omgzor, I shot my missiles at that airplane that was moving at 1200 k and banking heavily away from me and dropping flares and my missiles didnt hit? AA sucks!" well AA did suck, but so did you. I for one am glad they improved AA, but they went too far. I would have been satisfied if shooting at a target that wasnt doing insane maneuvers or dropping flares hit. But hitting a target doing everything humanly possible to avoid being hit is too much.
Yes it's here to stay, and I'll enjoy slaughtering all you AA whores in my chopper.
My point was the game should have a balance. It shouldn't be impossible to kill jets and helicopters with AA like it was before the patch, and it shouldn't be as easy as it is now. Using anti-aircraft should involve some sort of skill, just like avoiding being killed by AA should involve skill and not blind luck.
P.S: Granite is a type of rock. "granted" is the term you should have used.
Good game the other day, skruples.. Add me to Xfire if you got it.
slaythem
My sister's daughter eats rocks.
tuffimdead wrote:
My sister's daughter eats rocks.
Thank you, that is a very reasonable attitude. I agree 100% with the sentiment.Skruples wrote:
My point was the game should have a balance. It shouldn't be impossible to kill jets and helicopters with AA like it was before the patch, and it shouldn't be as easy as it is now. Using anti-aircraft should involve some sort of skill, just like avoiding being killed by AA should involve skill and not blind luck.
But I'm afraid I must disagree with you about the facts. AA was totally pathetic before the 1.2 patch, but AA is NOT a no-skill weapon after the patch. I got taken out more than once while sitting in AA yesterday, proving either:
A. Pathetic morons like me can't easily shoot down jets or even choppers at the press of a button; some skill is still required.
or
B. Skilled pilots can still fly and be effective.
Personally, I think the balance is about right.
A few things i need to say...
getting rid of dolphin diving, fine with me, jumping and shooting? coulda just made it wicked inaccurate, claymores and land mines with IFF? roflmao! whatever.
im not a jet pilot, but i have to agree the AA is way to powerful, i spend most of my time on the ground and to be honest i miss air support. ground armor is just destroying infantry while they sit next to supply crates with spec-ops there only true fear, but wait theres claymores around them (yes that happened, nice trick)
any1 saying "pilots need to learn to fly" shut the fuck up, all you gotta do is point an click with your "mad skillz".
people saying its "more realistic", irl attack choppers, and jets own everything. people saying "its gonna take tactics... have your forces on the ground take out AA". get real, the pilots are confined in a cube, its not like they fly around in safety while waiting for people to call in airstrike after aa is cleared out.
the pilots that devote there time to flying (losers call them whores) i have to say are very good and effective at what they do, and half the people telling them to stfu would never devote the time/life they have and don't understand. this patch is for the newbs and sucks for pilots who defended the sky's above every1 (even the newbs posting on this forum).
getting rid of dolphin diving, fine with me, jumping and shooting? coulda just made it wicked inaccurate, claymores and land mines with IFF? roflmao! whatever.
im not a jet pilot, but i have to agree the AA is way to powerful, i spend most of my time on the ground and to be honest i miss air support. ground armor is just destroying infantry while they sit next to supply crates with spec-ops there only true fear, but wait theres claymores around them (yes that happened, nice trick)
any1 saying "pilots need to learn to fly" shut the fuck up, all you gotta do is point an click with your "mad skillz".
people saying its "more realistic", irl attack choppers, and jets own everything. people saying "its gonna take tactics... have your forces on the ground take out AA". get real, the pilots are confined in a cube, its not like they fly around in safety while waiting for people to call in airstrike after aa is cleared out.
the pilots that devote there time to flying (losers call them whores) i have to say are very good and effective at what they do, and half the people telling them to stfu would never devote the time/life they have and don't understand. this patch is for the newbs and sucks for pilots who defended the sky's above every1 (even the newbs posting on this forum).
Wow. I'm shivering in my pants already.PFCStenzel wrote:
Dude, just because your a jet whore and probably never fired a gun on the ground like some of the others that are sick of you Plane whores. This is the beginning of us giving you a taste of your own medicine. I hope you like the way it is gonna go down. Stinger and IGLA pills, we will make sure and coat them nice and slimy so they go down easy. BECAUSE IF I SEE YOU IN A PLANE, I AM GOING TO SHOW NO MERCY TOWARDS YOU PLANE WHORES!!!!!
I'm just going to point and laugh when u take out your OWN aerial vehicles because as slaythem has said, all you do is point and click. Maybe not even point. I've been making the n00bs take out their OWN air stuff all these 3 days already. Buahaha. So lets see you booted from whatever server.
I don't care what you say Slaythem. I will still kill you from the AA. And your pictures meant nothing to me. I have had games better then that, way better then your silly score of 52 or 54. It idiots like you that make the game no fun. But, I still play to have fun. Hey if I get first check it out. And hey did you see my k/d in the armor. Yeah I have probably killed you while you were in a plane. GOOD NIGHT AND HAVE A SEAT SON.
thank god someone posts that knows what they speak of. i like AA for one reason now, it keeps scooby out of the airRiaz1985 wrote:
A few things i need to say...
getting rid of dolphin diving, fine with me, jumping and shooting? coulda just made it wicked inaccurate, claymores and land mines with IFF? roflmao! whatever.
im not a jet pilot, but i have to agree the AA is way to powerful, i spend most of my time on the ground and to be honest i miss air support. ground armor is just destroying infantry while they sit next to supply crates with spec-ops there only true fear, but wait theres claymores around them (yes that happened, nice trick)
any1 saying "pilots need to learn to fly" shut the fuck up, all you gotta do is point an click with your "mad skillz".
people saying its "more realistic", irl attack choppers, and jets own everything. people saying "its gonna take tactics... have your forces on the ground take out AA". get real, the pilots are confined in a cube, its not like they fly around in safety while waiting for people to call in airstrike after aa is cleared out.
the pilots that devote there time to flying (losers call them whores) i have to say are very good and effective at what they do, and half the people telling them to stfu would never devote the time/life they have and don't understand. this patch is for the newbs and sucks for pilots who defended the sky's above every1 (even the newbs posting on this forum).