BF2S Forums Should Moderate Muslims Speak Out Reagrdless of the Consequences?

usmarine wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

usmarine wrote:

1.5 billion moderates versus and handful of radicals.  No excuses.

And a poll on bf2s is not even close to accurate.  Not by a long run.

If I wasn't in a situation where my life was threatened, and I didn't have a wife and kids who could be tortured, raped and killed, and if I was an ignorant slob, I too would talk shit like you, but I don't.

Be realistic, just once.  Try actually thinking of other people, just once.  Imagine YOU are Habib, and you and your little pregnant wife are living as best you can without steady income or electricity in Kabul.  You have just been threatened by the Al Quaeda group that has moved into your neighborhood and told you must not rat them out as they go about bomb making and kidnapping journalists.  Do you:

a) Rat them out, the hell with the consequences because hey, usmarine back in Ohio, USA said you have no excuse?

b) Face reality that hey, this is America's war, I'd rather move or keep quiet until they're gone.


Honestly, think about it and get back to me.

Again.... Read the fucking thread. 

Are they in danger in the US?  No, I do not think so.  Are they in danger in Canada?  No.  Are they in danger in Australia?  No   So where are the fucking protests against radicals there?

get back to me.

How many Muslims live in those countries?  They won't make a difference.

usmarine wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

How many Muslims live in those countries?  They won't make a difference.

oh ok...

Mahmoud living in Iraq reads about 50 Muslims protesting in NYC against radical Muslims.  Then he leaves his home and knocks all the doors in his neighborhood asking other moderate Muslims to join him and to speak out against extremists, because he was encouraged by 50 guys that have a much better living standard than his.  Be realistic dude.

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

How many Muslims live in those countries?  They won't make a difference.

oh ok...

Mahmoud living in Iraq reads about 50 Muslims protesting in NYC against radical Muslims.  Then he leaves his home and knocks all the doors in his neighborhood asking other moderate Muslims to join him and to speak out against extremists, because he was encouraged by 50 guys that have a much better living standard than his.  Be realistic dude.

Who is talking about Iraq?  I am not.  How about England?  France?  germany?  etc.

It says a lot about their religion if they fear for their safety if they do speak out - let me try this again "Religion"!

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Name one leader strong enough to fight the extremists.

Yes because I follow them around.....

There is always a leader.  Maybe your 1.5 bil is a bit........off.

Strong enough?  There insn't one.  Extremists are deluded, they blow themselves with C4.  What can you expect?  The moderate ones have family and friends too.  Would you risk your family?

I thought radical Islam wasn't a problem! That is all I hear in these forums about how small the problem is and now you are saying that it is a problem, especially for Muslims who are in fear of radical Islam??

Anyway, this is exactly the points I have made over and over in these forums from personal experience having Muslims in my family. Muslims living abroad, away from where most of radical Islam resides, do feel more free to express their displeasure towards radical Islam and I know for a fact that they would NOT speak out in their home country because of the harassment and pressure that radical Islam uses on a daily basis. That is why these Sharia courts popping up in other countries is scaring the hell out of moderate Muslims who went to other countries to escape the oppression of many of the "home" Sharia courts and the dictatorial clerics who run them.

You see, radical Islam is a threat, its a huge threat in countries in the Middle east and now you are seeing it move into Asia into countries like Indonesia and the Philippines. Radical Islam is starting to show roots in many, many countries abroad and these kinds of troubles always start out small. They are planting seeds in many places and the bottom line is if the moderates will stand up and stop the tentacles reaching for them or not. Moderates will need help from time to time and that is when leaders and governments in these countries need to stand up and not give in and worry about what is "politically correct" or worrying that they "might" be offending someone. Just do the right things!

Lastly, in my family, whom I consider moderate and peaceful.....they do not speak out, they talk about the issues and feel free to do so here in America among their relatives but back in their native country, they are very, very weary about doing or saying anything against extremism. You just don't know who to trust. The local Muslim community here has done little or nothing in regards to changing public perception in this local community......NOTHING! So honestly, they aren't speaking out here and don't dare speak out in their native country....so who has the upper hand???....radical Islam and its not going to go away by itself.

usmarine wrote:

Again.... Read the fucking thread. 

Are they in danger in the US?  No, I do not think so.  Are they in danger in Canada?  No.  Are they in danger in Australia?  No   So where are the fucking protests against radicals there?

get back to me.

Haha, nice.  This kind of response can only mean one thing. 

Oh, and when you said 1.5 billion muslims...no excuse, then that applies to all of 'em (not like you'd think some are different than others, right?).  And i think it's safe to say you CAN'T think honestly or with any semblance of reality, hence your reply.  But it's cool, keep talkin' your shit..as long as you feel good about it, that's what matters.

Whenever you demand something from people you alienate them. It's probably not the brightest idea when they are your greatest ally in the war against extremism.

im telling you all, i work with several muslim foreign exchange students.  THEY DONT GIVE A SHIT.  i'm not saying they dont care about violence and all, but they just dont care about speaking out about it.  they care to speak out about radical muslims as much as you care about speaking out against US soldiers who rape civilians.  trying to label them as co-conspirators because they dont speak out is bullshit.  you need to look at it from their point of view...

usmarine wrote:

And your response was better?  It was full of condescending "You are stupid" BS.  If you want to discuss things, fine.  But if you are going to talk to me like that, then my response will be fuck you.

and that 1.5bil is a figure given from serge, I did not make that up.

Did I use fuck in every sentence?  Did I not provide adult conversation?  If you can't handle sarcasm, offensive remarks, and truth, then this is not the place for cowardly pussies like you.  If you lose an argument, just sit quietly and accept it, maybe visit other threads.  I do.  But hey, i'm the washout, right?  lol


Again, you said 1.5 billion (doesn't matter what the number is, don't blame it on serge, you meant all of them, period..) have no excuse for not stepping up.  I gave a perfect, completely accurate reality check to you, and you pissed yourself and went off on my like a child.  And yes, you have more than earned your sarcastic and offensive remarks so don't play innocent.

Damn..I don't know why I even respond to you.  You'll just talk about something other than the glaring reality of what I asked you..you are unable to have adult conversation.

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

^^ This is coming from a guy that blames all the the problems with America on one guy. The President of the United States.
You should really re-read your reply, to your self. Take it to heart and find meaning in your own thoughts. You might learn something coming from your own conscience.

How bout YOU read what I wrote...you and some other assclown..oh yeah, it was usmarine, failed to see that i did include the congress and senate in my rant as I announced Bush's new record poll.  I didn't blam all the problems of this country on Bush, just the ones he's responsible for in context with his astounding poll.

zzzzzzz...you are tiring.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2008-02-21 11:28:22)

IRONCHEF wrote:

usmarine wrote:

And your response was better?  It was full of condescending "You are stupid" BS.  If you want to discuss things, fine.  But if you are going to talk to me like that, then my response will be fuck you.

and that 1.5bil is a figure given from serge, I did not make that up.

Did I use fuck in every sentence?  Did I not provide adult conversation?  If you can't handle sarcasm, offensive remarks, and truth, then this is not the place for cowardly pussies like you.  If you lose an argument, just sit quietly and accept it, maybe visit other threads.  I do.  But hey, i'm the washout, right?  lol


Again, you said 1.5 billion (doesn't matter what the number is, don't blame it on serge, you meant all of them, period..) have no excuse for not stepping up.  I gave a perfect, completely accurate reality check to you, and you pissed yourself and went off on my like a child.  And yes, you have more than earned your sarcastic and offensive remarks so don't play innocent.

Damn..I don't know why I even respond to you.  You'll just talk about something other than the glaring reality of what I asked you..you are unable to have adult conversation.

Sure thing wash out.

IRONCHEF wrote:

lol, owned again.

How?

IRONCHEF wrote:

usmarine wrote:

And your response was better?  It was full of condescending "You are stupid" BS.  If you want to discuss things, fine.  But if you are going to talk to me like that, then my response will be fuck you.

and that 1.5bil is a figure given from serge, I did not make that up.

Did I use fuck in every sentence?  Did I not provide adult conversation?  If you can't handle sarcasm, offensive remarks, and truth, then this is not the place for cowardly pussies like you.  If you lose an argument, just sit quietly and accept it, maybe visit other threads.  I do.  But hey, i'm the washout, right?  lol


Again, you said 1.5 billion (doesn't matter what the number is, don't blame it on serge, you meant all of them, period..) have no excuse for not stepping up.  I gave a perfect, completely accurate reality check to you, and you pissed yourself and went off on my like a child.  And yes, you have more than earned your sarcastic and offensive remarks so don't play innocent.

Damn..I don't know why I even respond to you.  You'll just talk about something other than the glaring reality of what I asked you..you are unable to have adult conversation.

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

^^ This is coming from a guy that blames all the the problems with America on one guy. The President of the United States.
You should really re-read your reply, to your self. Take it to heart and find meaning in your own thoughts. You might learn something coming from your own conscience.

How bout YOU read what I wrote...you and some other assclown..oh yeah, it was usmarine, failed to see that i did include the congress and senate in my rant as I announced Bush's new record poll.  I didn't blam all the problems of this country on Bush, just the ones he's responsible for in context with his astounding poll.

zzzzzzz...you are tiring.

If you consider big angry tigers as cowardly pussies... hmm

is this the same idiot that was supporting russia all over in that thread about the Tu's flying over the carrier?

Maybe I should've lol owned you after that.