BF2S Forums Those Eurotrash appeasers are at it again...

dayarath wrote:

Iowing wrote:

fsir enough, but a few quick questions, and these are legit questions I am not trying to trap you into an answer, just honesty....Do you see any changes in Europe over the past 20 years that you never saw coming or expected? Do you feel choked with PC in your countries, if so who is influencing all of PC?

Question 1: Well seeing as I can't really make any decision out of personal experience here (and being used to the customs of the last 16 years) I'd say, probably yes. There have been major changes in Europe in line with important historical events, and more immigration / freedom to go do what you want, also WAY more cooperation inbetween European countries than ever before, it skyrocketed after the 2nd world war.

Question 2: Well, sometimes yes. It's as if people see the book of law as some kind of overly sacred thing which must be followed step by step without any exceptions. This makes people overlook what's actually right in the situation, and what would be logic seen from a moral and responsible point of view. I'm not sure who is in charge of some of the most redicoules things but politicians seem to be very fond of using PC nowadays.

1. Ok, now, if the changes you see in Europe are and have taken place, and you are all melting together, how can it not be that Islamic immigration will not demand and bring about their own changes to Europe? PC is the tool use to appease. My problem with it all is, Islam does not bring a positive influence or change toward our society. It backs us up not moves us forward. FOr example, her in the states, we have long moved past our civil rights issues with the black community and women and homosexuality, and rightfully so, why should I want an intolerant religion to have a foothold in my country that teaches breaking down these achievements and worse a govt. that will use PC to appease this group to secure their votes??


2. As above, politicians use PC to appease the minority voters to establish a false sense of "working for them". Democrat politicians are great for this, they are as rich as rich can be, they ARE PART OF WHITIES WORLD, yet have all the minority voters convinced that they are "one of them" and "feel their pain" inflicted by the "THE MAN". This is the only way they can get elected, because "do'ers" will never vote for "won't do'er" advocates ever.

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

ummm, _{*quick, think of something fast*} Freedom of speech,  yeah  that'l do...

certain members only like freedom of speech when it suits their intellectual pallet.

dayarath wrote:

Iowing wrote:

1. Ok, now, if the changes you see in Europe are and have taken place, and you are all melting together, how can it not be that Islamic immigration will not demand and bring about their own changes to Europe? PC is the tool use to appease. My problem with it all is, Islam does not bring a positive influence or change toward our society. It backs us up not moves us forward. FOr example, her in the states, we have long moved past our civil rights issues with the black community and women and homosexuality, and rightfully so, why should I want an intolerant religion to have a foothold in my country that teaches breaking down these achievements and worse a govt. that will use PC to appease this group to secure their votes??

Time will tell. I know there has been positive influence from the individual muslim and their culture, but ofcourse to every advantage there are disadvantages. I can't say for sure yet wether or not the muslim community will break us down, instead of making progression. I'd vote for the latter, because if we manage to get along with other communities peacefully and coexist, that's a step forward isn't it?

PC... sigh. That's all I got to say to PC, one day they'll cross the line with the PC bullshit when everyone has had enough, this is a fad that won't last forever. Even more so, I think it's PC used by politicians which breaks us down, not seperate communities trying to live togheter.

Iowing wrote:

2. As above, politicians use PC to appease the minority voters to establish a false sense of "working for them". Democrat politicians are great for this, they are as rich as rich can be, they ARE PART OF WHITIES WORLD, yet have all the minority voters convinced that they are "one of them" and "feel their pain" inflicted by the "THE MAN". This is the only way they can get elected, because "do'ers" will never vote for "won't do'er" advocates ever.

EU and US political systems are so incredibly different, but still I sense that PC is oftenly used by the leftist commies & socialists here to get to the same point which you described. Though considering american politics I'd pick Obama over McCain and Hillary any day.

Muslims definitely reap the rewards of the west, but what exactly does Islam bring to the table FOR the west? I only ask this because Islam is more than just a religion, it is a way of life, an entire culture unto itself..and a pretty intolerant one at that, and we can live without it in our midst

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

dayarath wrote:

Iowing wrote:

1. Ok, now, if the changes you see in Europe are and have taken place, and you are all melting together, how can it not be that Islamic immigration will not demand and bring about their own changes to Europe? PC is the tool use to appease. My problem with it all is, Islam does not bring a positive influence or change toward our society. It backs us up not moves us forward. FOr example, her in the states, we have long moved past our civil rights issues with the black community and women and homosexuality, and rightfully so, why should I want an intolerant religion to have a foothold in my country that teaches breaking down these achievements and worse a govt. that will use PC to appease this group to secure their votes??

Time will tell. I know there has been positive influence from the individual muslim and their culture, but ofcourse to every advantage there are disadvantages. I can't say for sure yet wether or not the muslim community will break us down, instead of making progression. I'd vote for the latter, because if we manage to get along with other communities peacefully and coexist, that's a step forward isn't it?

PC... sigh. That's all I got to say to PC, one day they'll cross the line with the PC bullshit when everyone has had enough, this is a fad that won't last forever. Even more so, I think it's PC used by politicians which breaks us down, not seperate communities trying to live togheter.


EU and US political systems are so incredibly different, but still I sense that PC is oftenly used by the leftist commies & socialists here to get to the same point which you described. Though considering american politics I'd pick Obama over McCain and Hillary any day.

Muslims definitely reap the rewards of the west, but what exactly does Islam bring to the table FOR the west? I only ask this because Islam is more than just a religion, it is a way of life, an entire culture unto itself..and a pretty intolerant one at that, and we can live without it in our midst

The West can't be compared to Islam, you are comparing countries and Religions.  It's like saying Christiniaty does no good for the Middle East.  You need to be more tolerant to moderate Muslims.  We all condemn the radical ones.  I kinda understand your thoughts but I think you are generalizing about Muslims.

I am comparing countries and religion, or does Islam not rule in ME countries??

I'm going over to the middle east to start some Catholic churches... I feel pretty optimistic about my reception...
All i ask is that they send my head back with my body...


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sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

The West can't be compared to Islam, you are comparing countries and Religions.  It's like saying Christiniaty does no good for the Middle East.  You need to be more tolerant to moderate Muslims.  We all condemn the radical ones.  I kinda understand your thoughts but I think you are generalizing about Muslims.

I am comparing countries and religion, or does Islam not rule in ME countries??

In some countries yes.  It's a problem of secularism and mostly education.

Ok so my post is correct then, I can compare the culture of Islam as a black to the mixing with the culture of western society's white.

lowing wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

I'm going over to the middle east to start some Catholic churches... I feel pretty optimistic about my reception...
All i ask is that they send my head back with my body...


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LMAO!!..........now that is funny

LOL  yup   oopps I'm European I'm not allowed to laugh at these things.



FUCK 'EM

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

In some countries yes.  It's a problem of secularism and mostly education.

Ok so my post is correct then, I can compare the culture of Islam as a black to the mixing with the culture of western society's white.

I'd say some Muslim countries should get into the XXI century.  They should separate Religion from Education and State.  The problem is not Islam itself but the way some religious leaders (or nutjobs) want to control whole countries.

That is not what Islam is about. Islam is not an hour a week religion ( like Christianity). It is a complete life style with different attitudes and views...I don't want those attitudes and vies here.....Look what it has done to ME and African countries.

Sure UAE, Kuwait Saudi etc are rich, but that is only do to western oil research and drilling...... Where would Islam carry their countires if not for that?? They would be as far ahead as Somalia..... Why would I want it in my country??

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I'd say some Muslim countries should get into the XXI century.  They should separate Religion from Education and State.  The problem is not Islam itself but the way some religious leaders (or nutjobs) want to control whole countries.

That is not what Islam is about. Islam is not an hour a week religion ( like Christianity). It is a complete life style with different attitudes and views...I don't want those attitudes and vies here.....Look what it has done to ME and African countries.

Sure UAE, Kuwait Saudi etc are rich, but that is only do to western oil research and drilling...... Where would Islam carry their countires if not for that?? They would be as far ahead as Somalia..... Why would I want it in my country??

I don't think you can blame Islam for those failures dude.  And do you honestly think that most people in Saudi Arabia are rich?  They're not.  The poverty and starvation of Africa and the ME have nothing to do with Islam IMO, and they are a topic for another debate.

Well Islam rules the ME , and the ME is lving in the 12th century........I dunno Serge, I know it ain't PC and all but I think I see a pattern

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

That is not what Islam is about. Islam is not an hour a week religion ( like Christianity). It is a complete life style with different attitudes and views...I don't want those attitudes and vies here.....Look what it has done to ME and African countries.

Sure UAE, Kuwait Saudi etc are rich, but that is only do to western oil research and drilling...... Where would Islam carry their countires if not for that?? They would be as far ahead as Somalia..... Why would I want it in my country??

I don't think you can blame Islam for those failures dude.  And do you honestly think that most people in Saudi Arabia are rich?  They're not.  The poverty and starvation of Africa and the ME have nothing to do with Islam IMO, and they are a topic for another debate.

Well Islam rules the ME , and the ME is lving in the 12th century........I dunno Serge, I know it ain't PC and all but I think I see a pattern

Islam rules the whole of Africa?

Varegg wrote:

Seriously lowing, are you afraid of a future Islamic rule in the US ?

Nope, I am concerned about letting our freedoms and lack of immigration enforcement making it easier for Muslims who choose to take a radical stand to do so, within our borders. On a social level, I do not want to see burkas and foot washing stations or arabic billboards and shit. This religion/culture does not help move our country or society ahead, i contributes nothing. Just like ine countries from which they came.


PS. I double check for PC.........I am good

Last edited by lowing (2008-02-18 04:31:16)

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Islam rules the whole of Africa?

ummmmm, yeah??
http://www.factbook.net/muslim_pop.php

except for South Africa, which oddly enough is doing quite well in comparison.....patterm I think

You misunderstood my question or I didn't make myself clear on that.  Is Islam in the government of African countries?  Is Islam the responsible for poverty and starvation in these countries?

Islam prevails in most of the fucked up hot spots in the world.

Whether or not it is the offical govts of these countries I have no idea, but like I said, Islam is a culture and life style just as much as it is a religion. What are your conclusions? I have made mine clear.

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

You misunderstood my question or I didn't make myself clear on that.  Is Islam in the government of African countries?  Is Islam the responsible for poverty and starvation in these countries?

Islam prevails in most of the fucked up hot spots in the world.

Whether or not it is the offical govts of these countries I have no idea, but like I said, Islam is a culture and life style just as much as it is a religion. What are your conclusions? I have made mine clear.

I told you before, they must separate Religion from state and education.  As simple as that.

So you are agreeing with me or what?? Do you see a pattern or not?