TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
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Havok wrote:

Drakef wrote:

I leave for an hour and atheism has triumphed already. That was quick.
I'm an atheist and I don't want it to triumph.  I wasn't done having fun yet.

This is actually rather fun mocking such parochial and often ridiculous views... if only a rational Christian would bother to come and spend the time to make a fair case for them - I'd try if no-one else will, but I'd have to suppress a strong urge to argue against myself. I can argue for a lot of religions on a variety of topics... but another day, perhaps.
LaidBackNinja
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TheDarkRaven wrote:

Havok wrote:

Drakef wrote:

I leave for an hour and atheism has triumphed already. That was quick.
I'm an atheist and I don't want it to triumph.  I wasn't done having fun yet.

This is actually rather fun mocking such parochial and often ridiculous views... if only a rational Christian would bother to come and spend the time to make a fair case for them - I'd try if no-one else will, but I'd have to suppress a strong urge to argue against myself. I can argue for a lot of religions on a variety of topics... but another day, perhaps.
I'm not Christian but I am religious and I think I have answers to almost any question. I'm up for a serious debate but previous attempts have proven to me that this forum is just not the place for it. I'd really like to have a one-on-one conversation with someone who is genuinely interested though, not someone just looking to take the piss out on some Christians (like most people are in these kinds of threads).

Last edited by LaidBackNinja (2008-01-28 14:44:48)

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RedTwizzler
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TheDarkRaven wrote:

dayarath wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

You guys do know that, when you die, your God doesn't actually exist and you'll just end up regretting your misguided nature with you everlasting voice, right?
And you know this, how?

Grant me your infinite wisdom.
Does the italicising not make it obvious? - I was being sarcastic showing the idiotic nature of the original statement. Bloody hell - where's intelligence and common sense gone?
They're in heaven enjoying harp playing and dress wearing, or some bullshit like that.

My 2 cents: Anyone who worships Satan is equally as, but no more, retarded than anyone who worships God.
DesertFox-
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/facepalm thread

Another opportunity for the ignorant to bash religion in general, a practice that is wholly moronic.
HellHead
The fantastic Mr. Antichrist
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So, could we go back to the original topic ?

I´m still interested what you guys have to say about those "church of satan" rules.

The Nine Satanic Statements

The Nine Satanic Statements are to outline what Satan within the Church of Satan Symbolizes. They are:

   1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
   2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
   3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
   4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
   5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
   6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
   7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his
      “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
   8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
   9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!

The Nine Satanic Sins

   1. Stupidity
   2. Pretentiousness
   3. Solipsism
   4. Self-deceit
   5. Herd Conformity
   6. Lack of Perspective
   7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies
   8. Counterproductive Pride
   9. Lack of Aesthetics

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

   1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
   2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
   3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
   4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
   5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
   6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
   7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having     
      called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
   8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
   9. Do not harm little children.
  10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
  11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
Don´t get me wrong, I´m not a satanist, but some of those rules seem more logical than anything else I read in other
bibles/korans/toras whatnot.
LaidBackNinja
Pony Slaystation
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RedTwizzler wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

dayarath wrote:


And you know this, how?

Grant me your infinite wisdom.
Does the italicising not make it obvious? - I was being sarcastic showing the idiotic nature of the original statement. Bloody hell - where's intelligence and common sense gone?
They're in heaven enjoying harp playing and dress wearing, or some bullshit like that.

My 2 cents: Anyone who worships Satan is equally as, but no more, retarded than anyone who worships God.
I'd say worshiping the devil is more retarded because:

People who believe in (and worship) God do so because of the good values it entails and because they believe it will make the world a better place. Satan is all about making everybody miserable. So even though both may be pointless (if there is no God and no Satan), at least the people who worship God do so with good intentions.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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Is a belief in God and a belief in Satan actually like believing in two Gods?  If God can have influence over you and Satan can have influence over you, wouldn't that mean that Satan has some of the same powers as God?  Same for if God's is the Kingdom of Heaven and Satan's is the Kingdom of Hell.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-28 14:50:31)

LaidBackNinja
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Is a belief in God and a belief in Satan actually like beleiving in two Gods?  If God can have influence over you and Satan can have influence over you, wouldn't that mean that Satan has some of the same powers as God?  Same for if God's is the Kingdom of Heaven and Satan's is the Kingdom of Hell.
That's why I am religious but don't believe there is a Satan or a Hell. It just doesn't make sense.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
twiistaaa
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Is a belief in God and a belief in Satan actually like believing in two Gods?  If God can have influence over you and Satan can have influence over you, wouldn't that mean that Satan has some of the same powers as God?  Same for if God's is the Kingdom of Heaven and Satan's is the Kingdom of Hell.
not really, satans influence would be that of a con-man. or a test of faith.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Is a belief in God and a belief in Satan actually like believing in two Gods?  If God can have influence over you and Satan can have influence over you, wouldn't that mean that Satan has some of the same powers as God?  Same for if God's is the Kingdom of Heaven and Satan's is the Kingdom of Hell.
Lucifer isn't a God, he's an angle angel cast out of heaven for being proud, more or less.. (hence the saying pride goes before a fall)  It's a story that doesn't square well with the God that the Christ taught about though, imo, anyways we can't have freewill without him, so I guess he's a necessity for Gods' ineffable plan.

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-01-28 15:03:16)

siciliano732
Member
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dayarath wrote:

CrazeD wrote:

lol you guys are pathetic. I'm done with this topic.

Enjoy Hell.
Enjoy your life of ignorance and idiocy.
i would rather 80+ years of ignorance and idiocy than eternity in hell.
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6564|Vancouver

HellHead wrote:

So, could we go back to the original topic ?

I´m still interested what you guys have to say about those "church of satan" rules.

The Nine Satanic Statements

The Nine Satanic Statements are to outline what Satan within the Church of Satan Symbolizes. They are:

   1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
   2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
   3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
   4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
   5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
   6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
   7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his
      “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
   8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
   9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!

The Nine Satanic Sins

   1. Stupidity
   2. Pretentiousness
   3. Solipsism
   4. Self-deceit
   5. Herd Conformity
   6. Lack of Perspective
   7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies
   8. Counterproductive Pride
   9. Lack of Aesthetics

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

   1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
   2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
   3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
   4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
   5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
   6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
   7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having     
      called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
   8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
   9. Do not harm little children.
  10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
  11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
Don´t get me wrong, I´m not a satanist, but some of those rules seem more logical than anything else I read in other
bibles/korans/toras whatnot.
Who created these rules?
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6564|Vancouver

DesertFox- wrote:

/facepalm thread

Another opportunity for the ignorant to bash religion in general, a practice that is wholly moronic.
How so?

By intoning your opinion that atheists are ignorant does not make it so, nor is the practice of bashing religion "moronic" unless you provide a reason.
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6564|Vancouver

siciliano732 wrote:

dayarath wrote:

CrazeD wrote:

lol you guys are pathetic. I'm done with this topic.

Enjoy Hell.
Enjoy your life of ignorance and idiocy.
i would rather 80+ years of ignorance and idiocy than eternity in hell.
I can also imagine a place of great pain, but that does mean it is real nor justify saying such a thing.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6201|...

siciliano732 wrote:

dayarath wrote:

CrazeD wrote:

lol you guys are pathetic. I'm done with this topic.

Enjoy Hell.
Enjoy your life of ignorance and idiocy.
i would rather 80+ years of ignorance and idiocy than eternity in hell.
Yeah because god doesn't care about what kind of person you are, he only cares wether you believe.

Seriously, I believe in god honestly but I can't stand 90% of the people that believe in him. Ignorance is bliss.
inane little opines
HellHead
The fantastic Mr. Antichrist
+336|6912|Germany

Drakef wrote:

Who created these rules?
Probably LaVey, but they might have been altered later.

Last edited by HellHead (2008-01-28 15:26:01)

Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6564|Vancouver

HellHead wrote:

Drakef wrote:

Who created these rules?
Probably LaVey, but they might have been altered later.
LaVey?
HellHead
The fantastic Mr. Antichrist
+336|6912|Germany
Anton LaVey, Founder of the Church of Satan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Lavey
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6887|United States of America

Drakef wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

/facepalm thread

Another opportunity for the ignorant to bash religion in general, a practice that is wholly moronic.
How so?

By intoning your opinion that atheists are ignorant does not make it so, nor is the practice of bashing religion "moronic" unless you provide a reason.
I never said the former, and one would have to be completely and entirely areligious (nigh on impossible) to insult the institution without hurting one's own self.
skipper2666
Go Canucks Go!
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Just to let all you people know that all those people who kill other people because it was the will of God, is a load of shit, Moses killed the Egyption and was punished for it and one of the ten commandments are Thou not kill so any man who kills someone for the will of God is saying that God is breaking his own commandment so right there is proof that it wasn't the will of God.

There is no actual proof that God exists or that he doesn't exist but you gotta admit that there are a lot of prophecies in the Bible that all are coming true, and something that was written 5000 years ago by "crazy old men" they sure got a lot of facts right.
tor11
Grunt
+18|6962|Os , Norway

Stingray24 wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

specialistx2324 wrote:


true, but it sounds like people here want to gather around a star drawn with a circle around it.
Damn, you just crossed a line there!

What you are referring to there is the pentagram which is not solely used by Satanists in their forms of worship. Indeed, in its original form and continued use it has been used by Christians, Jews and Neo-pagans (possibly most notably Wiccans) alike. Indeed, Christians once used the symbol that you are damming as blasphemous to depict the five wounds of Jesus.
Quite, it is only in recent times (20C. and onwards) that the pentagram has been associated, often mistakenly, with Satanism. In fact, the Satanist pentagram is slightly different given that it is upside-down with the star pointing downwards and often bearing a goat's head.

So sod you when you say that the pentagram is 'evil' or some other such term as it means a lot to me and the person I am most close to.

Pray for my sole if you must, but they will fall on deaf and uncaring ears for your despicable and parochial views.
I would assume you are Wiccan, since the pentagram means so much to you?
Nope! he only making the facts straight! Many used symboles look alike!
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Last edited by DoctaStrangelove (2008-01-28 16:12:39)

Turquoise
O Canada
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There is a big difference between a philosophical Satanist and a "sacrifice goats" Satanist.

That being said, I'm neither, but I do relate to some of LaVey's principles.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6846
LaVey was a con man.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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tor11 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Damn, you just crossed a line there!

What you are referring to there is the pentagram which is not solely used by Satanists in their forms of worship. Indeed, in its original form and continued use it has been used by Christians, Jews and Neo-pagans (possibly most notably Wiccans) alike. Indeed, Christians once used the symbol that you are damming as blasphemous to depict the five wounds of Jesus.
Quite, it is only in recent times (20C. and onwards) that the pentagram has been associated, often mistakenly, with Satanism. In fact, the Satanist pentagram is slightly different given that it is upside-down with the star pointing downwards and often bearing a goat's head.

So sod you when you say that the pentagram is 'evil' or some other such term as it means a lot to me and the person I am most close to.

Pray for my sole if you must, but they will fall on deaf and uncaring ears for your despicable and parochial views.
I would assume you are Wiccan, since the pentagram means so much to you?
Nope! he only making the facts straight! Many used symboles look alike!
lines and circles are important!

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