You'd be surprised once you start playing wake in the new patch. I had two guys manning those things the whole game. I'd take one out and the other would take me.Esker wrote:
No because the majority of the people who spawn on the carrier either ignore the AA on the essex, or they enter just the one.=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:
JOYUS so I have 16 missles that are all going to hit me. man, oh man.engineer wrote:
Especialy on the Carrier... 2 essex guns, (6?) missles on each.
no its 8 missiles(anit better but the truth)
The other one is too far away for them, they might miss their chance to get that jet, or that blackhawk...
LmaoCyberwolf wrote:
Would you like some cheese with your whine? Got an issue? Here's a tissue...-iLL*NaYmL3sS wrote:
no fuck you. you buy a new game. i read the fucking package for bf2 and bought it for what i expected. now its all fucked cause of bitches like you. you buy a new game cause you obviously dont play all aspects of the game. and until you do, stfu and dont tell me to buy a new game dumbass.ColonelCanuck wrote:
Yeah like I've spent so much time in choppers. A whopping 2 hours and 23 minutes. Most of that time is spent riding out to the carrier in Iron Gator battles.
Dude, buy a flight simulator and quit complaining that you now have nothing to contribute to your team's success in this game!
Or get on the ground with us grunts and learn to help your team win, by aiming, killing, capping flags, healing, setting traps, supplying, repairing, assaulting, defending etc. There is more to BF2 than just flying!
The v1.12 AA sucked A$$. So EA "fixed" it.
Adapt or die! Plain and simple.
See you on the Battlefield.
At least you plane jocks are less likely to get TK'ed for planes now. Isn't that something to celebrate? Hmm, I wonder if people will TK for AA now...=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:
We're fighting a losing battle. they'll never see our point and we'll never see theirs because.. they don't have one.-iLL*NaYmL3sS wrote:
oh and those tks, most are from accidently killing teammates when trying to help them. they spot a tank or something else and call for help, i try to destroy it but sometimes they dumbly get in the way of fire and i end up tking them by mistake. and what pisses me off, i get punished for trying to help they're helpless asses out. and you obviously only play on foot which is why you have no idea why the game is already balanced but lacks skills from other players(like you) to stop the skilled ones.
only if they would have done something to fuck up tanks, then i bet youd know what were talking about.
I take out the crate...but especially on Karkand on the east road from the hotel you'll see all three MEC armor together essentially spawnkilling Marines and every AT shell that hits them just gets wiped away because they're all engies repairing each other....Ilocano wrote:
Hint: take out the supply crate first. Flank the tank and shoot from behind. Or against a convoy, go C4.jjrp02 wrote:
<---- agrees with this part of the post.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
go whine about tanks are too powerful you bitches, mabie they will make AT kill them in 1 shot, THATS what needs to be done in the game.
I get so frustrated how me and 3/4 others are trying to take out the T-90 and we can't because it keeps reparing itself
and it's kinda hard to get arond them to get them from behind since there's usually about 10/20 MEC near the armor (I play on larger maps)
and c4...please....most of the people who are good with c4 are too busy in the backyard of the hotel whoring...and anybody else would just get mowed down before they even turned the corner....
the only method that I found to work (in this scenario) is to take the square and get a good hit in from the TOW...then the AT can take out the other two
Wake Island.
USMC cant land on the Island because of AA. (boats are joke, the only way was BH)
PLA cant rape the carrier anymore.
Result: THE ROUND IS DRAW?... Nah PLA will win because of the ticket count. Wake is going to be a boring map now.
USMC cant land on the Island because of AA. (boats are joke, the only way was BH)
PLA cant rape the carrier anymore.
Result: THE ROUND IS DRAW?... Nah PLA will win because of the ticket count. Wake is going to be a boring map now.
I, for one, am glad to see you flyboys brought to your knees. It's long overdue.
PLA SHOULDN"T rape the carrier...unless it's the only base leftDr.Battlefield wrote:
Wake Island.
USMC cant land on the Island because of AA. (boats are joke, the only way was BH)
PLA cant rape the carrier anymore.
Result: THE ROUND IS DRAW?... Nah PLA will win because of the ticket count. Wake is going to be a boring map now.
and USMC can take out one IGLA before somebody gets to it...(like to start the game)...OOOOOOR take the BH and drop off on the south approach at the beach bunker and have squad leaders hide for spawn points....
--This thread is hilarious. What I see is this: a few guys who have gotten used to how easy jets are in 1.12 and they can't take it that an 11.0 KDR isn't going to be a cakewalk any more.
"i had some little fucking corpral shoot me down 3 times on dragon valley"
This quote is priceless. You're complaining because you died 3 times?
Here's the thing. Up to now, pilots had absolutely zero respect for AA. In 1.12 you can pretty much hop in a jet and NEVER get killed by AA. Guess what, that wasn't because you were a 'great pilot'. It was because it was easy. No threat to you at all. You think tanks and APC drivers don't panic when they hear beep-beep-beep? Armor drivers RESPECT AT missiles as a serious threat, and they deal with it accordingly. Tanks are not invincible, and the driver knows it. Now jets are not invincible either. And the pilots need to learn that.
"i had some little fucking corpral shoot me down 3 times on dragon valley"
This quote is priceless. You're complaining because you died 3 times?
Here's the thing. Up to now, pilots had absolutely zero respect for AA. In 1.12 you can pretty much hop in a jet and NEVER get killed by AA. Guess what, that wasn't because you were a 'great pilot'. It was because it was easy. No threat to you at all. You think tanks and APC drivers don't panic when they hear beep-beep-beep? Armor drivers RESPECT AT missiles as a serious threat, and they deal with it accordingly. Tanks are not invincible, and the driver knows it. Now jets are not invincible either. And the pilots need to learn that.
dude its not always that easy. when you man those things, you have to make sure there arent any friendlies cause most of the time youll get a tk. and if people drop bombs as carelessly as your putting it, then all pilots would be booted all the time from servers for tking.memphisjz wrote:
i don't mind the new AA
pilots of big bombers plane just were havind it to easy,
all they needes to do s click and get 5 kills every time
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I know that when I'm in a jet...I hear beep beep beeeeeeep...It meant "just flip and roll and you'll be fine...turn around and plaster that AA guy"
I know that when I'm in a tank...I hear beep beep beeeeep...it meant "sorry..you're fucked"
I know that when I'm in a tank...I hear beep beep beeeeep...it meant "sorry..you're fucked"
So true. I've been on both ends of these convoy scenarios. Definitely hard to take out a convoy. Assuming teamwork, heh, concentrate all AT on the weakest one first.jjrp02 wrote:
I take out the crate...but especially on Karkand on the east road from the hotel you'll see all three MEC armor together essentially spawnkilling Marines and every AT shell that hits them just gets wiped away because they're all engies repairing each other....Ilocano wrote:
Hint: take out the supply crate first. Flank the tank and shoot from behind. Or against a convoy, go C4.jjrp02 wrote:
<---- agrees with this part of the post
I get so frustrated how me and 3/4 others are trying to take out the T-90 and we can't because it keeps reparing itself
and it's kinda hard to get arond them to get them from behind since there's usually about 10/20 MEC near the armor (I play on larger maps)
and c4...please....most of the people who are good with c4 are too busy in the backyard of the hotel whoring...and anybody else would just get mowed down before they even turned the corner....
the only method that I found to work (in this scenario) is to take the square and get a good hit in from the TOW...then the AT can take out the other two
I'm not a pilot, and there was a time when I h8ed pilots, h8ed bein raped, h8ed death from above. But I learned how to live with it. So I didnt and dont really care about the jets. I havent play 1.20 yet, but when I read this I'm start thinking that AA is a bit owerpowered. (AA vehicles even worse!) But what about the flares? Does they help?
I'm just saying that we will see more and more people on Karkand now, and less and less people on Oman and Wake.
I'm just saying that we will see more and more people on Karkand now, and less and less people on Oman and Wake.
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what is this "teamwork" that you speak of???????Ilocano wrote:
So true. I've been on both ends of these convoy scenarios. Definitely hard to take out a convoy. Assuming teamwork, heh, concentrate all AT on the weakest one first.jjrp02 wrote:
I take out the crate...but especially on Karkand on the east road from the hotel you'll see all three MEC armor together essentially spawnkilling Marines and every AT shell that hits them just gets wiped away because they're all engies repairing each other....Ilocano wrote:
Hint: take out the supply crate first. Flank the tank and shoot from behind. Or against a convoy, go C4.
and it's kinda hard to get arond them to get them from behind since there's usually about 10/20 MEC near the armor (I play on larger maps)
and c4...please....most of the people who are good with c4 are too busy in the backyard of the hotel whoring...and anybody else would just get mowed down before they even turned the corner....
the only method that I found to work (in this scenario) is to take the square and get a good hit in from the TOW...then the AT can take out the other two
almost nobody that plays this games works with their team...they're only worried about their own damn stats....
i havent tried the new patch yet since im at school right now, but my thought about this is fighters will still be able to shake the AA missiles and get rid of them, however the technique of evasive manuevers will be more frequently used and it will include constant left and right turns, obviously only a tight turn cannot shake the missiles. the bombers are even more useless now, especially when it comes to dogfight.
sometimes you cant find the aa and other times its not an aa...its a jet on your ass. fuck dude, you guys think aviating is easy. i would love to see you guys try and get skilled at it so you can see its not easy to have a good ratio.jjrp02 wrote:
I know that when I'm in a jet...I hear beep beep beeeeeeep...It meant "just flip and roll and you'll be fine...turn around and plaster that AA guy"
I know that when I'm in a tank...I hear beep beep beeeeep...it meant "sorry..you're fucked"
there's no point in saying that before the 1.2 patch the aa was a threat to reckon with. i'm a low/mid skill chopper pilot and in map like dragon valley (which is plenty of aa turret) before the patch the game was like: hear the tone, drop flares, turn around and blow the aa turret right up to the moon with a couple of rockets. there was very little chance of you being hit.
And let's assume you were hovering with your flares depleted, you could take two stingers and still turn, blow the guy's ass to the moon and then run for the helipad to repair. i can remember being shot down by aa like two or three times. and i'm not a skilled pilot, i can just fly around, going to hover without crashing and pointing the nose for the gunner to do the job (and sometimes blow up armor with rockets). tows, tanks and jets above all were the real threats, aa was just an easy frag.
on the other hand, if you were to use the aa, well first you had to forget about shooting down planes. first of all, most of the pilots approached the aa turrets with their nose staring at them. so 90% of the times i was on aa turret ii was done even before i could actually see the enemy plane. and if you could actually lock on an enemy plane, well the most noobish evasive turn would have made your stingers fly to the moon (or hit a friendly plane, actually i had more team vehicle damage than real frag while on aa). and in any case if you managed to hit the plane he could simply fly to carrier / runway, repair, and come back to blow you up.
so please face it, the aa was simply useless. if you managed to being shot down so many times by aa then there's something wrong with you. it's since last summer that i'm reading complains about the uneffectiveness of stingers, and actually i find myself whining about it many times.
And let's assume you were hovering with your flares depleted, you could take two stingers and still turn, blow the guy's ass to the moon and then run for the helipad to repair. i can remember being shot down by aa like two or three times. and i'm not a skilled pilot, i can just fly around, going to hover without crashing and pointing the nose for the gunner to do the job (and sometimes blow up armor with rockets). tows, tanks and jets above all were the real threats, aa was just an easy frag.
on the other hand, if you were to use the aa, well first you had to forget about shooting down planes. first of all, most of the pilots approached the aa turrets with their nose staring at them. so 90% of the times i was on aa turret ii was done even before i could actually see the enemy plane. and if you could actually lock on an enemy plane, well the most noobish evasive turn would have made your stingers fly to the moon (or hit a friendly plane, actually i had more team vehicle damage than real frag while on aa). and in any case if you managed to hit the plane he could simply fly to carrier / runway, repair, and come back to blow you up.
so please face it, the aa was simply useless. if you managed to being shot down so many times by aa then there's something wrong with you. it's since last summer that i'm reading complains about the uneffectiveness of stingers, and actually i find myself whining about it many times.
it'll be like that for a while IMO...Dr.Battlefield wrote:
I'm not a pilot, and there was a time when I h8ed pilots, h8ed bein raped, h8ed death from above. But I learned how to live with it. So I didnt and dont really care about the jets. I havent play 1.20 yet, but when I read this I'm start thinking that AA is a bit owerpowered. (AA vehicles even worse!) But what about the flares? Does they help?
I'm just saying that we will see more and more people on Karkand now, and less and less people on Oman and Wake.
but once we get used to it...I'm pretty sure that the best pilots will find new ways of evasion...and it will trickle down to the halfway decent pilots and we'll have a more competitive game in the end...
just lost and won a round a wake with the new patch playing usa side.... real good defence from the other with armour and troops..
AA was taken care of with artillery.
game is still good, you people just need some time to adjust.
AA was taken care of with artillery.
game is still good, you people just need some time to adjust.
So I keep hearing that all the pilots hate the new AA. 4th even made the comment that it is akin to homing artillery that reloads every two seconds and you cant hide from (to relate it to the ground pounders.) Well, let me say that as a ground pounder, pre patch, jets and helis WERE that imaginary magic artillery you speak of. I cant even count all the posts of pilots with 40-0 k/d ratios and pwning a map in a jet. All a decent pilot has to do is swoop, bomb, and get 5-10 kills for his "trouble". Well, all that is gone now. Now you get to see what its like on the other side of the fence. Amazing that now pilots get killed with the ease that they used to have killing infantry. Tide's turned. Only the elites will be flying now, because only they will be able to. Thank you thank you thank you to EA and DICE for this patch. It's gonna be a whole new war now.
Hmmm, where on the box does it say "ALL OUT INFANTRY WARFARE", i mean i have it right in front of me and it says nothing like that. lets look at it closer.....GotMex? wrote:
The way I see it, this patch has shifted back the game to what it should be. I can't remember which idiot said that if we want an infantry based game we should play CS:S because that cracked me up, seeing as how BF2 really is infantry based. Planes and helicopters are no longer primary assault vehicles, but rather are going to have to be used as support and defense.
"lock and load......ALL OUT WAR ON THE MODERN BATTLEFIELD......Explode into action........" oh here we go "Unleash the destructive fury of a modern arsenal as the US marines, chinese peoples army, or MEC with more than 30 vehicles and 20 soldier kits" nope that didnt say it either. so it was never meant to be "ALL INFANTRY"
infantry shares its part in this game but it isnt all about infantry, if it was then we would have small ass 16 player size maps and NO VEHICLES AT ALL, no tanks, no jeeps/hummers(wouldnt need em as the map would be so small)
its called teamwork.
on Penisula I kept AA from anyone using them with my shiney new sniper and they rape them in heli. Muhahahaha
just teamwork bitchz
on Penisula I kept AA from anyone using them with my shiney new sniper and they rape them in heli. Muhahahaha
just teamwork bitchz
Jets were difficult to shoot down and most of the time it was either a fluke or the pilot flew in the straight line past you allowing you shoot the missles up his arse.
AA was useless though, but not entirely. I mean if you just jump in it and fire 2 missles at a heli that will obviously just drop flares, then don't expect to drop it the thing. Jump in, fire 1 rocket, because the pilot will hear the warning sound drop his flares, allowing you to lock on him with the second and fire, he won't drop flares because they haven't recharged. Once done, jump out of the fucking thing ASAP.
That's what I did if I wasn't using a TOW and it worked out quite well.
AA was useless though, but not entirely. I mean if you just jump in it and fire 2 missles at a heli that will obviously just drop flares, then don't expect to drop it the thing. Jump in, fire 1 rocket, because the pilot will hear the warning sound drop his flares, allowing you to lock on him with the second and fire, he won't drop flares because they haven't recharged. Once done, jump out of the fucking thing ASAP.
That's what I did if I wasn't using a TOW and it worked out quite well.
That's why I put in the "heh". Sarcasm. Team work, tell me about it. I've taken the Karkand 64 rear flag, but my team mates won't spawn on me. I'm left to defend the rear alone as the MEC armors return to retake the base.jjrp02 wrote:
what is this "teamwork" that you speak of???????Ilocano wrote:
So true. I've been on both ends of these convoy scenarios. Definitely hard to take out a convoy. Assuming teamwork, heh, concentrate all AT on the weakest one first.jjrp02 wrote:
I take out the crate...but especially on Karkand on the east road from the hotel you'll see all three MEC armor together essentially spawnkilling Marines and every AT shell that hits them just gets wiped away because they're all engies repairing each other....
and it's kinda hard to get arond them to get them from behind since there's usually about 10/20 MEC near the armor (I play on larger maps)
and c4...please....most of the people who are good with c4 are too busy in the backyard of the hotel whoring...and anybody else would just get mowed down before they even turned the corner....
the only method that I found to work (in this scenario) is to take the square and get a good hit in from the TOW...then the AT can take out the other two
almost nobody that plays this games works with their team...they're only worried about their own damn stats....
yep, START TANK WHORING NOW!