BF2S Forums Mexico whines about influx of Mexican workers into Mexico

A Border Patrol agent trying to stop a vehicle that had illegally entered the U.S. was struck and killed Saturday in southeastern California, agency officials said.
Mutha Fu*#A!

There is a real war going on at our southern border and it usually doesn't even make page 12 of our papers.

From the first source -

The law, which took effect Jan.1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States. Penalties include suspension or loss of a business license.

I wonder if this will be any different from the numerous state and federal laws already making it illegal to employ illegal citizens.  It sounds good, but I'll believe it when it is enforced.

Its intent is to eliminate or curtail the top draw for immigrants to this country - jobs.

Wait wait wait...I thought illegal immigrants come to have anchor babies and take advantage of our medical system.  Whose payroll is this journalist on?

Opponents say the law is unfair and allows the state to intrude on the federal government's responsibility of handling immigration enforcement.

lowing - after reading the remarks in the "big government, do we need it" thread, what's your opinion on state vs. federal jurisdiction in handling this type of action?

It is interesting to me to see states develop their own legislation to combat illegal immigration.  I see this as a definite continuing trend as the people in charge of the federal government fail to address the immigration problem from the root - enforcing laws against employers who knowingly employ illegal immigrants.  It will be interesting if  states such as California attempt to pass laws at odds with federal law regarding treatment and legality of residency (whether permanent or temporary) for illegal immigrants.  Perhaps this type of state legislation/enforcement is what the federal government needs to address the illegal situation far more than attempts at amnesty or blanket bullshit promises.

Everyone searches for a better life, it's not the Mexican's fault that America is so awesome everyone wants in. Perhaps rather than spending so much money on border patrol, America should help bolster Mexico's economy and social welfare, otherwise it's not addressing the root of the problem.

And people complaining about Mexico's companies stopping illegal workers, well every company in the developed and industrialised world faces the same problems, it's not as if the Mexican government is sending its own people into America.

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

A Border Patrol agent trying to stop a vehicle that had illegally entered the U.S. was struck and killed Saturday in southeastern California, agency officials said.
Mutha Fu*#A!

There is a real war going on at our southern border and it usually doesn't even make page 12 of our papers.

Brotha, you ain't kidding.

Those two stories are only linked by the fact that there were Mexicans involved.  Kmarion is attempting to equate a real problem of violence at the border to a war, while you are simply linking an act of violence that occured in Mexico to border violence in America.  Not the same.

ATG wrote:

I thought guns and ammo were strictly illegal in Mexico

Yeah, and pot is strictly illegal in the 'States too.  That doesn't stop you from smoking though, does it?

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-19 20:40:37)

And, Tijuana is the freakin' border.

Last edited by ATG (2008-01-19 20:43:00)

Turquoise wrote:

You know what...  Fuck Mexico.  Let's annex what they can't handle.

It would probably be more benificial for them than it would be for us.

Turquoise wrote:

You know what...  Fuck Mexico.  Let's annex what they can't handle.

LOL, I said that a long time ago... Either annex more or start giving some back... One way or the other! lol

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

From the first source -

The law, which took effect Jan.1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States. Penalties include suspension or loss of a business license.

I wonder if this will be any different from the numerous state and federal laws already making it illegal to employ illegal citizens.  It sounds good, but I'll believe it when it is enforced.

The States at work.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 … ving_N.htm
http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0807/449699.html


http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art … 304/MTCN03
http://www.rctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar … 09008/1304

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/related/71835.php

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

From the first source -

The law, which took effect Jan.1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States. Penalties include suspension or loss of a business license.

I wonder if this will be any different from the numerous state and federal laws already making it illegal to employ illegal citizens.  It sounds good, but I'll believe it when it is enforced.

The States at work.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 … ving_N.htm
http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0807/449699.html


http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art … 304/MTCN03
http://www.rctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar … 09008/1304

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/related/71835.php

What's sad is when the feds say that enforcing the border is their job, then they don't, and then federal judges say states can't do the feds job for them when they won't.

Kmarion wrote:

Vub wrote:

Everyone searches for a better life, it's not the Mexican's fault that America is so awesome everyone wants in. Perhaps rather than spending so much money on border patrol, America should help bolster Mexico's economy and social welfare, otherwise it's not addressing the root of the problem.

And people complaining about Mexico's companies stopping illegal workers, well every company in the developed and industrialised world faces the same problems, it's not as if the Mexican government is sending its own people into America.

We have thousands of Americans who are losing their jobs due to the lending meltdown. Yes, everyone wants a better life. The topic of discussion here is the government of Mexico. Mexico's failure does not them the right to support illegal activity and permission to ignore our sovereignty. The role of the United States is not to export wealth, especially now. More often than not the result of foreign aide is permanent dependency. For a real change to happen in any country the domestic population must work for it and demand a better system. Everything else is temporary charity.

Mate you live in an ideal world, try living in Mexico all your life and see if you still feel the same, or any other developing country for that matter. You know what, the only reason why some of these countries such as mexico and many south-east asian nations CAN'T become self managed and economically independent is because economic superpowers such as the USA are exploiting their cheap labour and bullying them into economic submission by sheer economic size. Don't patronise everyone and cry foul play by the other countries, you guys are crying foul play to China because the Chinese economy is growing so fast, and hypocrisy is the definitive sign of a country unable to manage the problem but love complaining about it.

Last edited by Vub (2008-01-20 00:21:57)

This may be another topic, but would the United States be better off if every single illegal immigrant disappeared instantly?  While in some cases they are a burden on our society, without them, cheap labor would be hard to come across (en masse) which could theoretically drive the prices of many things up.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

From the first source -

The law, which took effect Jan.1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States. Penalties include suspension or loss of a business license.

I wonder if this will be any different from the numerous state and federal laws already making it illegal to employ illegal citizens.  It sounds good, but I'll believe it when it is enforced.

Its intent is to eliminate or curtail the top draw for immigrants to this country - jobs.

Wait wait wait...I thought illegal immigrants come to have anchor babies and take advantage of our medical system.  Whose payroll is this journalist on?

Opponents say the law is unfair and allows the state to intrude on the federal government's responsibility of handling immigration enforcement.

lowing - after reading the remarks in the "big government, do we need it" thread, what's your opinion on state vs. federal jurisdiction in handling this type of action?

It is interesting to me to see states develop their own legislation to combat illegal immigration.  I see this as a definite continuing trend as the people in charge of the federal government fail to address the immigration problem from the root - enforcing laws against employers who knowingly employ illegal immigrants.  It will be interesting if  states such as California attempt to pass laws at odds with federal law regarding treatment and legality of residency (whether permanent or temporary) for illegal immigrants.  Perhaps this type of state legislation/enforcement is what the federal government needs to address the illegal situation far more than attempts at amnesty or blanket bullshit promises.

The way our govt. is set up AS IT IS, the states already have the power to combat border control issues. Apparently there is no reason to strip the federal govt. of power and turn it over to the states for the them to accomplish the things that satisfies each states needs.