Yeah I guess spouting totally wrong "facts" is one form of "tactics", personally though I call the things you claim, bullshit.lowing wrote:
yeah, I guess burying the truth along side your heads in the sand is one form of "tactic"Vilham wrote:
Exactly, we can safely say lowing has no clue about TACTICS.CameronPoe wrote:
Bottom line:
Calling it 'Islamic Terrorism' puts the wrong idea in people's heads because a) it's unIslamic and b) only a tiny tiny percentage of so-called Muslims engage in it. It's like talking about a 'Jewish Conspiracy to Take Over The World' just because a small number of very rich jews pay off politicians thereby bypassing the democratic process.
Well, not that I am anybody, but I have never heard of them or their influences on US elections. They are hardly front page news in the US. Wish I could say the same about ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.CameronPoe wrote:
This so-called "Jewish Conspiracy to Take Over The World" already affects elections in the US, has led to a state of Israel in the middle of a load of Arabs who didn't want it, makes or breaks companies and small countries on stock exchanges and directs billions of US tax dollars into weaponry with which to dispatch Arabs and build homes on their land...lowing wrote:
As soon as the "Jewish Conspiracy to Take Over The World". Affects polical elections, global economies and changes global history, then we will label them accordingly and give them all the attention they are begging for.
It is Islamic Terrorism because it is Islamic Terrorists we are at war with.... Get on the truth band wagon.
We're going to have to agree to disagree. I don't regard those animals as Muslims because they're not following Islamic law. I also believe that their cause has as much to do with supposed Islam as it does to do with anti-globalisation. It's as political as it is supposed to be religious.
There is nothing educated about you.David.P wrote:
It's not bigotry. It's Educated Hate.ghettoperson wrote:
I really can't be fucked to read 7 pages of bigotry, but do we have a source for this that isn't well known to make entire stories up because they're nazi's and need to fill a newspaper?
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
I guess arguing with people who have seen shit far worse then you is a tactic.Vilham wrote:
Yeah I guess spouting totally wrong "facts" is one form of "tactics", personally though I call the things you claim, bullshit.lowing wrote:
yeah, I guess burying the truth along side your heads in the sand is one form of "tactic"Vilham wrote:
Exactly, we can safely say lowing has no clue about TACTICS.
Good now kill me!ghettoperson wrote:
Oh no, I hate David P far more than you.
lol. There's a good reason it isn't front page news. BECAUSE THEY OWN THE FRONT PAGE.lowing wrote:
Well, not that I am anybody, but I have never heard of them or their influences on US elections. They are hardly front page news in the US. Wish I could say the same about ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.
There's an interesting book/dissertation on the issue written by two Harvard professors.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/publ … _100.shtml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1969542.stm
etc., etc.
I watched 'Charlie Wilson's War' at the cinema last week and even Charlie Wilson described himself as 'The Jews Guy On The Hill', referring to Capitol Hill.
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Ya mean, Islamic radicals are not comitting terrorist acts throughout the world?? I am betting that, that is not the truth, along with "anti-islamic activity" to describe ISLAMIC TERRORISM.Vilham wrote:
Yeah I guess spouting totally wrong "facts" is one form of "tactics", personally though I call the things you claim, bullshit.lowing wrote:
yeah, I guess burying the truth along side your heads in the sand is one form of "tactic"Vilham wrote:
Exactly, we can safely say lowing has no clue about TACTICS.
Educated? I just read you post a couple pages ago that Islam = Terrorist, and then next thing have it proven statistically that only 25% of terrorists are muslim. You posted speculation, and were actually proven wrong by education.David.P wrote:
It's not bigotry. It's Educated Hate.
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True true but thats why i can argue with the majority of Muslims on their level. Aka the sword is mightier then the pen.m3thod wrote:
There is nothing educated about you.David.P wrote:
It's not bigotry. It's Educated Hate.ghettoperson wrote:
I really can't be fucked to read 7 pages of bigotry, but do we have a source for this that isn't well known to make entire stories up because they're nazi's and need to fill a newspaper?
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Well, you won't mind if I keep Islamic Terrorism at the top of my priority list for national security do ya?CameronPoe wrote:
lol. There's a good reason it isn't front page news. BECAUSE THEY OWN THE FRONT PAGE.lowing wrote:
Well, not that I am anybody, but I have never heard of them or their influences on US elections. They are hardly front page news in the US. Wish I could say the same about ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.
There's an interesting book/dissertation on the issue written by two Harvard professors.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/publ … _100.shtml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1969542.stm
etc., etc.
I watched 'Charlie Wilson's War' at the cinema last week and even Charlie Wilson described himself as 'The Jews Guy On The Hill', referring to Capitol Hill.
You do realise that lowing is the kind of guy that hasnt ever even left his own country?David.P wrote:
I guess arguing with people who have seen shit far worse then you is a tactic.Vilham wrote:
Yeah I guess spouting totally wrong "facts" is one form of "tactics", personally though I call the things you claim, bullshit.lowing wrote:
yeah, I guess burying the truth along side your heads in the sand is one form of "tactic"
You can keep terrorism originating from the middle east at the top of your priority list if you like, and you can continue to use a misnomer to suit your agenda of painting all Muslims as bad people too but that's your choice. I hope you enjoy the government spending your money abroad and getting nothing appreciable in return. Think of all the airlines you could support with that!lowing wrote:
Well, you won't mind if I keep Islamic Terrorism at the top of my priority list for national security do ya?
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Well, that is why I said hated personalities. anyway good debate....goodnightparanoid101 wrote:
Fair enough, I also enjoy reading your posts, this one touched a nerve as you can tell, still I haven't been posted for a while so at least it go me back involved.lowing wrote:
I listen to others opinions, that is why I respond to them. A lot of people on here equate not agreeing with not listening. There is a difference.paranoid101 wrote:
Yep that why the section is called Debate and Serious Talk and I agree it would be boring if you couldn't get anyone to disagree, but you do need the debate part, you can't just stick to your guns, never taking anybodys else's opinion onboard, just making smart remakes trying to belittle the other poster's (not saying you do this, but it does happen on here alot).
But if its just going to turn into this is my opinion and I don't care what anybody else thinks, then it defeats the purpose of this forum.
Edit: while you might not care that someone bash your country in threads, I do but does this make me any right for caring than you not?
Me and Cam, go round and round about all kindsa shit, I hardly ever agree with him, but I do read what he posts and understand what he is saying. Honestly I think I am one of the most hated personalities on this forum along with David P I think. My beliefs catch 20 kinds of hell, and quite frankly, I wouldn't change a thing. I believe what I believe, and I do not sugar coat it.
2 things I can not be accused of in this forum
a. Politically Correct
b. inconsistency
As for hating people on here well I dare say it goes on, but not from me its a it silly to hate someone you will probably never meet and really know nothing about, now don't get me wrong I don't like some of the stuff posted in this forum, but at least in your views you are willing to give a reason, not just writing drivel or ranting ( the virtual sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting Nar Nar Nar over an over again)
I still think this thread of yours was designed to get a certain reaction (which it got) and was going to become an argument thread, but at least you man of his convictions, not that you care but you can have my respect for that, but I can't give you the same for this post.
Anyway its my Bedtime, Goodnight Lowing
So now youre saying that the majority of Muslims are uneducated? It just gets worse...David.P wrote:
True true but thats why i can argue with the majority of Muslims on their level. Aka the sword is mightier then the pen.m3thod wrote:
There is nothing educated about you.David.P wrote:
It's not bigotry. It's Educated Hate.
Go by attack on United States in the past 15 years. You know what i'll do it for you.Home wrote:
Educated? I just read you post a couple pages ago that Islam = Terrorist, and then next thing have it proven statistically that only 25% of terrorists are muslim. You posted speculation, and were actually prove wrong by education.David.P wrote:
It's not bigotry. It's Educated Hate.
I did leave out vtech and columbine shootings because they were listed as massacres.Wikipedia wrote:
1993
January 25: Mir Aimal Kansi, a Pakistani, fires an AK-47 assault rifle into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters, killing two and injuring three others, see FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives.
February 26: World Trade Center bombing kills six and injures over 1000 people, by coalition of five groups: Jamaat Al-Fuqra'/Gamaat Islamiya/Hamas/Islamic Jihad/National Islamic Front,[5] see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists, FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives, Ramzi Yousef.
June: Failed New York City landmark bomb plot, see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists
1994
March 1: In the Brooklyn Bridge Shooting, Rashid Baz kills a Hasidic seminary student and wounds four on the Brooklyn Bridge in New York City in response to the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre.
United States, March 8: Terrorists in Karachi, armed with automatic rifles, murdered two American consulate employees and wounded a third as they traveled in the consulate shuttle bus. See Rewards for Justice.
1995
April 19: Oklahoma City bombing kills 168 people, 19 of them children; the most deadly act of domestic terrorism in the United States to date.
1996
June 25: Khobar Towers bombing – In all, 19 U.S. servicemen and one Saudi were killed and 372 wounded, by Hizballah Al-Hijaz (Saudi Hizballah) with Iranian support, see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists
July 27: Centennial Olympic Park bombing, killing one and wounding 111.
1997
February 24: Ali Abu Kamal opens fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claims this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine". His widow claimed he became suicidal after losing $300,000 in a business venture. In a 2007 interview with the New York Daily News his daughter said her mother's story was a cover crafted by the Palestinian Authority and that her father wanted to punish the United States for its support of Israel
1998
January 29: The anti-abortion Army of God bombs a health clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, killing a police officer and injuring a worker at the clinic.
August 7: U.S. embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi, killing 225 people and injuring more than 4,000, by al-Qaeda, see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists
1999
December 14: Ahmed Ressam is arrested on the United States-Canada border in Port Angeles, Washington; he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots
2000
The last of the 2000 millennium attack plots fails, as the boat meant to bomb USS The Sullivans sinks.
October 12: USS Cole bombing kills 17 US sailors and wounds 40 off the port of Aden, by al-Qaeda; see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists, the Buffalo Six Lackawanna Cell
2001
Do i even need to say it? 9/11 and shoe bomber.
2002
May: Luke Helder injures 6 by placing pipebombs in mailboxes in the Midwest. Motivation to protest government control over daily lives and the illegality of marijuana and promotion of astral projection
July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing two Israelis before being killed himself.
October: John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks, killing ten people in various locations throughout the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area from October 2 until they are arrested on October 24.
2003
May 12: Bombings of United States expatriate housing compounds in Saudi Arabia kill 26 and injure 160 in the Riyadh Compound Bombings. Al-Qaeda blamed.
2004
August 28: Shahawar Matin Siraj and James Elshafay are arrested for planning to bomb the 34th Street–Herald Square subway station in New York City during the 2004 Republican National Convention.
2005
October 24: Multiple car bombs explode outside the Green Zone in Baghdad, killing at least 20. It is thought that the attacks were targeting journalists inside the Palestine Hotel and the Sheraton Ishtar.
2006
March 3: Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.
August 10: A major anti-terrorist operation by British Police disrupts an alleged bomb plot targeting multiple airplanes bound for the United States flying through Heathrow Airport, near [[London].
August 30: An Afghani Muslim hit 19 pedestrians, killing one, with his SUV in the San Francisco Bay area.
2007
US Embassy in central Athens. Rocket causes minimal damage, police suspect spinoff of Greek left wing group November 17.
May 7: 2007 Fort Dix attack plot. Six men inspired by jihadist videos arrested in the US, in a failed homegrown terrorism plot to kill US soldiers.
June 3: 2007 John F. Kennedy International Airport attack plot. Thwarted homegrown Islamist terrorism plot to destroy the fuel supply system for the airport located in New York City and cause a large amount of casualties by blowing up the connecting pipeline system that runs through densely populated neighborhoods.
So thats 21 total attacks or attempted attacks out of 28. Thats 75% Close to 80.
Now if i took into account attacks on the UK and other US allies the numbers will be higher percentage wise.
See i can use facts too.(Not the warped, twisted, edited facts that everyone else uses or tries to use) But i prefer not too because a blanket statement gets the point across better.(Oh and it's alot more fun!)
Yeah, cos copy and pasting from Wikipedia is what the educated man does. Plagiarising wikipedia gets you an F in every academic institution I've ever been in. So here you go, savour it.....you wont be going to university or college/whatever the fuck you lot call it.
F
See me after class.
F
See me after class.
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
So, like I said, you do not have an educated hate. You just proved that Islam =/= terrorism. Instead of using "twisted, edited facts" you just prefer to go the tried and true route of making shit up? This topic is about the British government using language to "guide" public opinion into a certain way of thinking, and you criticize that, but then you turn around and say that you do the same twisting and exaggeration to "get a point across".David.P wrote:
Go by attack on United States in the past 15 years. You know what i'll do it for you.Home wrote:
Educated? I just read you post a couple pages ago that Islam = Terrorist, and then next thing have it proven statistically that only 25% of terrorists are muslim. You posted speculation, and were actually prove wrong by education.David.P wrote:
It's not bigotry. It's Educated Hate.I did leave out vtech and columbine shootings because they were listed as massacres.Wikipedia wrote:
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So thats 21 total attacks or attempted attacks out of 28. Thats 75% Close to 80.
Now if i took into account attacks on the UK and other US allies the numbers will be higher percentage wise.
See i can use facts too.(Not the warped, twisted, edited facts that everyone else uses or tries to use) But i prefer not too because a blanket statement gets the point across better.(Oh and it's alot more fun!)
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Personally, I think the term is deliciously condescending towards terrorists.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
It's called cognitive dissonance. Davey P. is a great practitioner. Sometimes you can throw ATG (I hate illegal immigrants but I employ them) in there too.Home wrote:
So, like I said, you do not have an educated hate. You just proved that Islam =/= terrorism. Instead of using "twisted, edited facts" you just prefer to go the tried and true route of making shit up? This topic is about the British government using language to "guide" public opinion into a certain way of thinking, and you criticize that, but then you turn around and say that you do the same twisting and exaggeration to "get a point across".David.P wrote:
Go by attack on United States in the past 15 years. You know what i'll do it for you.Home wrote:
Educated? I just read you post a couple pages ago that Islam = Terrorist, and then next thing have it proven statistically that only 25% of terrorists are muslim. You posted speculation, and were actually prove wrong by education.I did leave out vtech and columbine shootings because they were listed as massacres.Wikipedia wrote:
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So thats 21 total attacks or attempted attacks out of 28. Thats 75% Close to 80.
Now if i took into account attacks on the UK and other US allies the numbers will be higher percentage wise.
See i can use facts too.(Not the warped, twisted, edited facts that everyone else uses or tries to use) But i prefer not too because a blanket statement gets the point across better.(Oh and it's alot more fun!)
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Funny....most people do that here. I hate wiki. So we actually agree. Fuck!m3thod wrote:
Yeah, cos copy and pasting from Wikipedia is what the educated man does. Plagiarising wikipedia gets you an F in every academic institution I've ever been in. So here you go, savour it.....you wont be going to university or college/whatever the fuck you lot call it.
F
See me after class.
Well should i use the koran instead? Or will some muslim try and chop off my head for reading it wrong?m3thod wrote:
Yeah, cos copy and pasting from Wikipedia is what the educated man does. Plagiarising wikipedia gets you an F in every academic institution I've ever been in. So here you go, savour it.....you wont be going to university or college/whatever the fuck you lot call it.
No you're gonna try to rape me or worse convert me!m3thod wrote:
F
See me after class.
I dont make shit up. And yeah this has gone off course enough as is.Home wrote:
So, like I said, you do not have an educated hate. You just proved that Islam =/= terrorism. Instead of using "twisted, edited facts" you just prefer to go the tried and true route of making shit up? This topic is about the British government using language to "guide" public opinion into a certain way of thinking, and you criticize that, but then you turn around and say that you do the same twisting and exaggeration to "get a point across".
Hypocrisy does come naturally to the left. They say i cant do one thing but then they do it themselves.usmarine2005 wrote:
Funny....most people do that here. I hate wiki. So we actually agree. Fuck!m3thod wrote:
Yeah, cos copy and pasting from Wikipedia is what the educated man does. Plagiarising wikipedia gets you an F in every academic institution I've ever been in. So here you go, savour it.....you wont be going to university or college/whatever the fuck you lot call it.
F
See me after class.
You know what i'm gonna shut up now because we've driven this topic off course enough.
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You can't read Arabic and more to the point i doubt the Quran has reliable stats on anti Islamic activity. You could try determining the reliability of actual references where you plagiarised the attacks from or cross referencing them yourself with credible sources.David.P wrote:
Well should i use the koran instead? Or will some muslim try and chop off my head for reading it wrong?m3thod wrote:
Yeah, cos copy and pasting from Wikipedia is what the educated man does. Plagiarising wikipedia gets you an F in every academic institution I've ever been in. So here you go, savour it.....you wont be going to university or college/whatever the fuck you lot call it.
But i don't know, there is something alluring about having your head rolling around.
Haven't you already been fiddled? I like mine fresh.David.P wrote:
No you're gonna try to rape me or worse convert me!m3thod wrote:
F
See me after class.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
How would you know?Vilham wrote:
You do realise that lowing is the kind of guy that hasnt ever even left his own country?David.P wrote:
I guess arguing with people who have seen shit far worse then you is a tactic.Vilham wrote:
Yeah I guess spouting totally wrong "facts" is one form of "tactics", personally though I call the things you claim, bullshit.
Seems like a cheap shot to me.
Call it what it is and shut up. Fucking appeasment crap. If you are muslim and you aren't a terrorist you have no reason to get upset. It is what it is. Fucking babies.
When a terrorist blows up a train it's not "Anti-Islamic", it's "Anti-Everything" - It's not just against the religion of fucking Islam to blow up a Train full of innocent people, it's against all the god damn rules in all the god damn books.
Ok fuck it. Let's not call it Islamic Terrorism, or Anti-Islamic terrorism. Can't we just call it Terrorism. There.
Ok fuck it. Let's not call it Islamic Terrorism, or Anti-Islamic terrorism. Can't we just call it Terrorism. There.