Poll

Right or wrong?

Right, teaches kids to obey68%68% - 100
Wrong, makes kids violent31%31% - 46
Total: 146
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6942|USA
Liberal govt. now attempting to further their intrusion on your life by telling you how to punish your kids. Figures!!

Last edited by lowing (2008-01-16 17:35:06)

m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6962|UK

David.P wrote:

m3thod wrote:

man i got some serious licks of my old man when i was a child.  I hate my dickhead culture.
Define culture.
In this case my ethicnity...Pakistani/kashmiri.  I didn't know any kid who's old man who didn't slap the fuck outta em when they got up to no good.

If that wasn't bad enough the imam would give us good hiding too when learning arabic @ the mosque after school.
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Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6937

lowing wrote:

Liberal govt. now attempting to further their intrusion on your life by telling you how to punish your kids. Figures!!
Government says alot of things about what you can't do to your kids.
NeXuS
Shock it till ya know it
+375|6632|Atlanta, Georgia

Gawwad wrote:

NeXuS4909 wrote:

Me my brother and my sister got the shit beat out of each other when we were little. We're all fine. My sister has 2 kids spanks them and my brother has 1 baby. They both have good paying job and none of them have ever been violent. Its the kid and how thinks is what makes them violent. Whip them more and they wont be violent
Your sister was hit as a kid and now she's hitting her own kids.
Do I see a connection here? Or is hitting children not considered violence?
Well to me theres a difference between hitting and spanking your child. That's just how i was raised and i guess thats how i grew up. But in the end its all on the parents and what they want to do.
Slickdawg8
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+58|7068|Long Island
I think it is wrong to hit your children, but to "spank" them, I don't think it's that big of a deal.  Sometimes physical force is the only way to learn certain things.  I doubt the bill will be accepted, and ev en if it does, it won't be strictly enforced at all.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6696|North Carolina
Hey, if the chick is into it, I'll do it to her....  Oh wait, you're talking about discipline...  Yeah, it's a good parenting method for dealing with those obnoxious little bastards.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6701|'Murka

There are times when spanking is the only way to get the child to understand the consequences of unacceptable behavior. Like many others have said, NOT BEATING, but spanking. Kids can (and do) bide their time when things are taken away (they find something else to take up their time) or when they realize that after a day, they get their treats back. They can't bide their time with a spanking, they can't wait it out...it happens immediately, and they understand why it happened and if they do it again, it will happen again. It alters behavior quickly.

All that said, it should NEVER be the first option.

And NO ONE...let me repeat NO ONE will lay a hand on my child but me or my wife. Not grandparents, not educators, NO ONE.

Last edited by FEOS (2008-01-16 18:42:43)

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Ender2309
has joined the GOP
+470|6861|USA
the APA (american pediatrics association) has stated that spanking is an effective disciplinary action. doctors> dumb liberal bitch who wants the world to love her.


seriously, anybody who says spanking is bad should shove their heads in a blender. i was spanked as a child, i turned out completely normal. i've started one fight in my life, and then it was 100 necessary.
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7005|US
I don't have a problem with correcting behavior.  That is, spanking should be an attention getter, NOT a source of physical pain.
Darkhelmet
cereal killer
+233|7041|the middle of nowhere

Stingray24 wrote:

Then he get swats with a flexible spatula.
That thing stung like a.........something that stings really bad.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6783|Connecticut

lowing wrote:

Liberal govt. now attempting to further their intrusion on your life by telling you how to punish your kids. Figures!!
They aren't telling you how, they are telling you how not to. They want a generation of welfare soaking pussies to support so they can keep their social working jobs.
Malloy must go
SilentscoutIX
BF2s US Server Admin
+91|6678|Vancouver, BC, Canada
I got spanked, straightened me out faster and better than being sent to a corner to "think about what I did", or worse being sent to my room where I woulda just screwed around with toys.
LT.Victim
Member
+1,175|6853|British Columbia, Canada

SilentscoutIX wrote:

I got spanked, straightened me out faster and better than being sent to a corner to "think about what I did", or worse being sent to my room where I woulda just screwed around with toys.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7132|Cologne, Germany

I can't believe some people are actually advocating beating their own children. What's wrong with you people ? Hitting a child is about as bad a s hitting a woman. It is a line that should never be crossed, imho.

this may sound harsh, but if you can't raise your child without hitting it, you shouldn't have gotten one in the first place.

if you want someone who obeys you, get a dog.
madmurre
I suspect something is amiss
+117|7001|Sweden
Well allot of folks don´t consider spanking equal to beating, me myself i don´t know never got any problems from an occasional spank when i grew up but don´t think i will repay my future kids with the same treatment though.

And growing up with 2 brothers spanking was´nt a prob, there were real assaults going on between us that was more of problem back then.

Edit: Spanking/Beating aint harmful it´s the psychological consequences that may arise you should be afraid of.

Last edited by madmurre (2008-01-18 01:08:21)

djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6626|Oregon
whoa...
whoa.
whoa.


whoa.

wait......




MORE people think it's right?
and not just MORE... a lot more.

Jesus!?
Who are you people I'm talking to? This is honestly quite shocking........
Spanking is physical abuse, no question.
Wow...
madmurre
I suspect something is amiss
+117|7001|Sweden
No the poll is biase - "Makes people violent" bah there´s no evidence to back that up at all i think most just wote it´s Ok cause the options are shit. Should just ask Right or Wrong with no comments added imo.
djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6626|Oregon

madmurre wrote:

No the poll is biase - "Makes people violent" bah there´s no evidence to back that up at all i think most just wote it´s Ok cause the options are shit. Should just ask Right or Wrong with no comments added imo.
okay, i agree with this. But still...
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7007
spanking no... waterboarding yes...lol
Love is the answer
r2zoo
Knowledge is power, guard it well
+126|6887|Michigan, USA
Firstly, Ill admit I didnt bother to read every post here, so excuse me if I make a point already discussed.

From as long as I can remember I was spanked.  Hell, my dad used to carry a small piece of wood(bout 2 feet long, 3 inchs wide, little thicker then a ruler) to hit us with in the car.  Me and my two sisters listened, and obeyed.  We didnt do stupid shit, knowing what faced us in the end.  Now, my neighbor, here two kids(7 and 5) are on that "timeout" bull.

The 7 year old gets put in her room when shes bad.  It contains: A tv, DVD/VCr with tapes/DVDs, Stereo, Toys, Laptop computer, Internet, Video game systems.  Her and her brother run around the neighborhood all hours of the day and night.  When their mother yells at them, they ignore her and go about doing whatever they please.  Now, when their father yells at them, they listen, immediatly.  Their father spanks them or at the very least alludes to it.  I was grounded once in my entire life, for less then an hour, because I would rather take the pain of a spanking over sitting in my room and playing with my toys as opposed to friends(when I was around 6 or 7 I beleive it was).  Spanking has its place.

While theres a fine line between spanking and beating, I still stand by it.  I see countless parents trying the time out/ take away stuff, only for the child to pout and generally misbehave.  My nephew only needs the threat of spanking to get his act together, much better then my neighbors, and hes 3.  Im not a violent person, I was spanking plently of times as a child, and it worked with me.  Yes it causes pain, but thats the point.  You break the rules, you get punished.  Sending kids to their room, or grounding them is jsut stupid, kids have so much in the way of entertainment, its not even funny.  My nephew has a tv and dvd player in his room, hes 3.  I didnt get my own tv till i was 13, and even then it was a battle.

I can understand why people are against it, but seeing how ineffective other methods are, this is the best choice, and I plan on using it with my children, call me violent, or that my teachers taught me evil, but it works, simple as that.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6846
If you don't hurt your child when you spank it it will have no effect whatsoever. As such, people here are advocating physically hurting their children to discipline them. I don't think I could knowingly physically hurt a child of mine when alternative means of disciplining them exist.
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6670|MN
I have 3 daughters, 9, 7, and 2.  I have spanked the oldest 2 many times.  I stopped spanking both of them when they turned 7.  The oldest because didn't need it anymore.  The middle one because she got to strong (gymnast).  The 2 year old we will have to see as she learns more english.

The whole point of spanking is to teach your child that they have done something wrong.  Cause and effect.  I do not wish to beat my children, nor will I.  I wish to teach my children to repect the rules they are given.  I have tried other methods, and none have been as effective as a good spanking.

And just as a side note, how many parents can say that their child has thanked them for caring enough to correct them when they have done wrong?  A good parent uses what works to develop a child into a good intentioned, mentally stable member of society.

I am very passionate about my abilities as a parent and have a huge problem with people that say this kind of stuff:

B.Schuss wrote:

I can't believe some people are actually advocating beating their own children. What's wrong with you people ? Hitting a child is about as bad a s hitting a woman. It is a line that should never be crossed, imho.

this may sound harsh, but if you can't raise your child without hitting it, you shouldn't have gotten one in the first place.

if you want someone who obeys you, get a dog.
I don't know you and what your family situation is, but I get the impression you don't have kids.  Just my opinion.

If you chose not to spank you children, fine, don't.  I just have a lot of experience dealing with these non-spanked children.  They are not good kids.

I am not saying all children need to be spanked, or that most parents should use it, but it is a useful tool to have when raising children, and I will fight to keep the right to use it.
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LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6670|MN

CameronPoe wrote:

If you don't hurt your child when you spank it it will have no effect whatsoever. As such, people here are advocating physically hurting their children to discipline them. I don't think I could knowingly physically hurt a child of mine when alternative means of disciplining them exist.
Just keep an open mind when dealing with your kids, when or if you have any, you do what works.

Last edited by LividBovine (2008-01-18 02:05:50)

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Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7065|Noizyland

We've passed an anti-smacking bill here a few months ago. I was dead-set against it to be honest, I reckon it can criminalise good parents. That and the Bill's sponsor, a one Sue Bradford, is a horrible ugly looking bitch who thinks that just because she's bred she gets to tell everyone else how to raise their kids. Fucking bitch.

That aside, we do have a problem with child abuse in this country, at least if what the media loves reporting is true. I reckon though that criminalising the physical disciplining of kids is bullshit. People who take it too far and beat their kids aren't the type to be scared by an anti-smacking bill anyway and it's a problem no poorly-drafted piece of legislation can counter. Immediately after the hooplaa regarding the ant-smacking bill had passed two separate heinous cases of child abuse arose in the media. One kid was spun around in a dryer and hung on a washing line as well as tackled. Another two, (twins,) were beaten by their father, (trial pending of course,) until they died. I might add that Sue "bitch-whore" Bradford kept her trap fully shut during both these cases which I found strange given her apparent staunch stance on anything like this, (fucking politicians.)

An anti-smacking bill is legislators legislating to try and prove that they're doing something. I imagine Sally Leiber looked at our example and said "well it didn't solve anything but at least they were being proactive" and decided that to be in the headlines, get a bit of political credibility and make a bit of a name for herself it would be a good idea to pursue this.

I was hit as a kid, very seldom and very lightly. It was more the threat of a punishment, the disapproval of my dad and the humiliation that made it a punishment. I was never harmed mentally. Also, one of my friend's grandfathers was a police officer. One day he saw a group of kids just up to no good, so he decided to step in. He singled out this group's leader and gave him a swift kick in the arse. Years later after he had retired my friend's grandfather was approached by a man who introduced himself as this kid, and thanked my friend's grandfather. He saw that kick in the arse as his wake-up call to fly right, and the bit of pain and humiliation did it. If applied correctly and in small doses I say that a bit of corporal punishment does the world of good.

Lastly, it's not people smacking their kids for doing something wrong who are the problem. It's the people who go overboard and start beating up their kids that are the problem and no anti-smacking bill will ever solve that.
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My ex stepfather started off spanking me when I was misbehaving, but it increased and got worse as time went by, and as his alcoholism took hold, eventually it turned into him "spanking" me every time he was mad or felt I had annoyed him in some way.

I guess I can agree with spanking in situations where it will teach the child a valuable life lesson they won't wanna forget anytime soon, but when it becomes a routine, and a punishment for trivial things, then it's wrong and shouldn't be happening.

And don't fucking punch kids in the face, no matter how drunk you are. It messes them up a bit later in life.

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