BF2S Forums Unions !!!

Pubic wrote:

lowing wrote:

The key is, to make ourselves invaluable to our companies. If you have a job anyone can do well then, you ain't holding much of a hand. I have a job as an aircraft mechanic, I have a ton of experience but I am not arrogant enough to think that I can not be replaced because the streets are full of out of work aircraft mechanics most of which, are/were unionized. Just think what they could have done with that dues money if they were allowed to keep it before getting laid off

What effect would not having been in the union had on them?  Not saying unions are always a good thing, just largely they are.

Personally I already try to make myself invaluable, but unless you try to upskill (which I'm doing) theres only so much you can do.  If all goes to plan, their storeman will have a Computer Science degree (possibility of a second major, Philosophy) in a year or two

Out of curiosity, what are union fees like there?  I pay $NZ2.75 (US1.90ish) for part-timers membership.  I know what the company has been prepared to offer in the past and what the union has negotiated them to.  Even on a fulltimers membership I'd still be better off.

Kmarion wrote:

Pubic wrote:

lowing wrote:

The key is, to make ourselves invaluable to our companies. If you have a job anyone can do well then, you ain't holding much of a hand. I have a job as an aircraft mechanic, I have a ton of experience but I am not arrogant enough to think that I can not be replaced because the streets are full of out of work aircraft mechanics most of which, are/were unionized. Just think what they could have done with that dues money if they were allowed to keep it before getting laid off

What effect would not having been in the union had on them?  Not saying unions are always a good thing, just largely they are.

Personally I already try to make myself invaluable, but unless you try to upskill (which I'm doing) theres only so much you can do.  If all goes to plan, their storeman will have a Computer Science degree (possibility of a second major, Philosophy) in a year or two

Out of curiosity, what are union fees like there?  I pay $NZ2.75 (US1.90ish) for part-timers membership.  I know what the company has been prepared to offer in the past and what the union has negotiated them to.  Even on a fulltimers membership I'd still be better off.

At UPS it was twice your hourly rate a month. So what ever you make an hour x's 2.

lowing wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

lowing wrote:

I use migrant workers as an example not to endorse them, but to prove how UNvaluable the unionized non-skilled worker is.

I stand a chance of rupturing a disc as well, or how about getting sucked into a jet engine, or maybe being crushed by a moving flight control or a slamming thrust reverser door. I know my "worth" to my company and I am not to be kidded into thinking that I am far too valuable to be replaced. That is why I have taken responsibility for my finances and my future, in case it is needed.

You are relying on the good faith of your employer. In large many large companies you get all types of management. Some are motivated purely by production and push their employees to the brink everyday. You shouldn't be forced to leave a job due to the fact you have new management taking advantage of hard working employees. A union is nothing more than a concentrated voice. Everything else is negotiated. BTW it's about a 7 year wait to become full time once you gain employment at UPS. The union can not just demand more jobs, they have to be aware of what the company can provide.

I had some of those foreign workers "jumping" for me during peak season. I had to drop them off after a few hours since they were about to throw up in the back of my truck. Don't be so naive to suggest you know my work level.

Edit:Freakin laptops

I agree with most of your post, except the part that a union is "nothing more than a concentrated voice". It is much more that. Corruption, lobbying, pay-offs, organized crime etc,, is all part of the unions. Hell you are a Teamster for cryin' out loud. Is there a better example than that?? Well maybe the IAM.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-03-24 19:13:18)

Kmarion wrote:

lowing wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

You are relying on the good faith of your employer. In large many large companies you get all types of management. Some are motivated purely by production and push their employees to the brink everyday. You shouldn't be forced to leave a job due to the fact you have new management taking advantage of hard working employees. A union is nothing more than a concentrated voice. Everything else is negotiated. BTW it's about a 7 year wait to become full time once you gain employment at UPS. The union can not just demand more jobs, they have to be aware of what the company can provide.

I had some of those foreign workers "jumping" for me during peak season. I had to drop them off after a few hours since they were about to throw up in the back of my truck. Don't be so naive to suggest you know my work level.

Edit:Freakin laptops

I agree with most of your post, except the part that a union is "nothing more than a concentrated voice". It is much more that. Corruption, lobbying, pay-offs, organized crime etc,, is all part of the unions. Hell you are a Teamster for cryin' out loud. Is there a better example than that?? Well maybe the IAM.

That can be a nasty side but understand those people are elected by it's members. I am not here to say union's are just great also. I was in management for 5 year and there were guys I couldn't get rid of fast enough. It can be good, it can be bad. Our union screwed away our pension plan through mismanagement. I think it was more a matter of incompetence rather than corruption though. Side note, overall screwing my disc up was probably one of the better things that happened to me. I will now make nearly twice as much as I did driving without destroying my body.

deeznutz1245 wrote:

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Spark wrote:

I hate unions. Drive me nuts.

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

(like the guy who ran around with a baseball bat breaking computers (who should be doubly shamed for not using a cricket bat))

Arent the bats flat?

Pubic wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hmmmmmmm, 2 pages of civil discussion,with opposing views, might be record for D& ST

Quick someone call me dumb fuck before I go through withdrawls

You dumb fuck, can't you see this is all a plot by George Bush and the Bin Ladens?  They control the corporations AND the unions, and play them off against each other to present a false divided front to the world!!!  Not to mention their spindly grey friends from the Sirius star system, who are just "offworld tourists" Yeah Right!  Did you know about the mitochlorian levels in middle east crude?  Do you know what those aliens REALLY want?  A god-damned globally warmed planet so they can munch on alien oil-burgers all day!  You know whose going to MAKE those oil burgers?  Union staff, thats who!  In fact, the smoothbore barrel of an M1A2 Abrams is the PERFECT diameter for making a pattie!  God dammit, its the aliens and George Bush and the Bin Ladens and the Sauds, and those god damned conservative hippies are going to ruin it for us!!

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deeznutz1245 wrote:

I thought I would get LOWING a Welcome Home/ Christmas present so I searched for one of his old threads and now I will bring it back to life. I chose this one because I felt it did not get enough debate, and because I hate unions.