BF2S Forums Gun Control: Someone Got It Right

sergeriver wrote:

G3|Genius wrote:

Nappy wrote:

most people shouldnt be allowed guns!

Only you, right?

Being American, I am wary whenever a right is restricted or removed.  It's the frog in boiling water.  Take away rights slowly enough, and no one will notice until there's too big a hold to do anything about it.

Animal Farm, in real life.

They aren't taking any right away.  Maybe you want another Virginia Tech.

If the system addressing mentally unstable people had worked correctly and kept the nutjob hospitalized as the judge recommended, the VT tragedy would not have occurred.  I believe the shooting would still have occurred even with this new law in place.  Why?  Because legal channels are not the only way to get a weapon.   

“The legislation has been welcomed by the powerful National Rifle Association gun lobby, which said that it did not impose new restrictions on gun ownership but improved compliance with the existing rules.  'This would ensure that purely medical records are never used in NICS. Gun ownership rights would only be lost as a result of a finding that the person is a danger to themselves or others, or lacks the capacity to manage his own affairs,' an NRA statement said.”

I agree with the NRA here.  As long as only mental health records are included, I have no problem with it.  FEOS does have a point though.  We have to be extremely vigilant regarding what information is kept in federal databases.  Anything beyond criminals and those mentally unstable people who are a dangerous to themselves goes to far.

Kmarion wrote:

I agree with the law. However, a point that is ignored every single time I make it in this forum. Each state has it's own constitution and gun laws. What is wrong with the states passing these laws. Some people just don't understand the American government system. Smaller government gives the people impacted by the laws more direct control and more options. I guess it's just easier to pay attention to one facet (The Federal) of our system of government.

Well, something in the states is wrong then, because the Federal level had to pass the new law.

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I agree with the law. However, a point that is ignored every single time I make it in this forum. Each state has it's own constitution and gun laws. What is wrong with the states passing these laws. Some people just don't understand the American government system. Smaller government gives the people impacted by the laws more direct control and more options. I guess it's just easier to pay attention to one facet (The Federal) of our system of government.

Well, something in the states is wrong then, because the Federal level had to pass the new law.

Every state is different. The federal law is just doing what some states were already doing on their own.

Of course, but the Congress must cover those states that aren't doing their job.

lowing wrote:

Serge, I am all for it, and the minute someone comes up with a plan to KEEP guns out of the hands of criminals and KEEP corrupt govts. in check without fear from the citizens and GUARANTEE this. I will comply.

We could argue your first point til the cows come home but the latter is the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard.  I'm suprised how many "intelligent" Americans make it as well.  Serioulsy, when was the last time one of the ten richest countries has need to overthrow their government? 

Secondly think about it, imagine Bush goes mad and starts doing a Saddam Hussein by becoming a dictator.  One of three things would happen

a) The Army still work to his orders and your crappy hand guns aint gonna do much against tanks and planes.
b) The Army turn on Bush and overthrow him (they hardly need your help)
c) The people aren't all agreed that Bush needs overthrowing and a civil war starts where all the combatants have guns (lots of deaths)

It's our right to have firearms......Our friggen Govt. though on the other hand seems to believe that we shouldn't.  Well if they had the time to survey each individual in the US they could assess the situation and consider people who were compitant to have a gun and the ones that couldn't would get what?  Nothing, cuz they wont do the survey EVER! They just figure that since there is enough people who shouldn't have em neither should we?  I don't see why there should ever be a reason why i can't friggen carry my weapon, I wouldn't be the one to abuse the right to have it.  But I think that if you did any time in JAIL or PRISON you should never be able to have a weapon of any kind on your persons.  Weapons are something like a driver's license, it's earned and respected......I should never have to fire my firearm.  Our Government decides as time goes on to disreguard our rights and it shows everyday when other countries have more civilians with weapons than we do?  WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE!!! End Thanks for readin my opinion whether it made sense to you or not.......IT"S POLITICS! Go figure.

Nappy wrote:

most people shouldnt be allowed guns!

I'm sure you're quite up to the task of deciding that when you can't even use proper grammar.

G3|Genius wrote:

Nappy wrote:

most people shouldnt be allowed guns!

Only you, right?

Being American, I am wary whenever a right is restricted or removed.  It's the frog in boiling water.  Take away rights slowly enough, and no one will notice until there's too big a hold to do anything about it.

Animal Farm, in real life.

The Patriot Act?

LaidBackNinja wrote:

G3|Genius wrote:

Nappy wrote:

most people shouldnt be allowed guns!

Only you, right?

Being American, I am wary whenever a right is restricted or removed.  It's the frog in boiling water.  Take away rights slowly enough, and no one will notice until there's too big a hold to do anything about it.

Animal Farm, in real life.

The Patriot Act?

Yes the Patriot Act also. The President also invoked the International Emergency Economic Powers Act on US citizens. That allows the government to seize the property of US citizens if a country doesn't "reform" as planned.

VspyVspy wrote:

some_random_panda wrote:

Just follow Australia - no civilian ownership of guns except for simple rifles for farmers.

You obviously don't know the gun laws in Australia Panda.  I applied for my firearms licence 4 days ago and I am not a farmer!!

Fine fine, I'll detail it.

(Victoria)

Category A and B Longarm Licence - VP304A
This licence is held:

for sport or target shooting
for hunting
for primary production
to work in the security or prison industry
to be a firearms safety instructor
another official, commercial or prescribed purpose.
General Category Handgun and Category E Handguns - VP304B
This licence is held:

for target shooting
to work in the security or prison industry
to be a firearms safety instructor
another official, commercial or prescribed purpose.
Category C, D, E Longarms or Heirlooms Licence - VP321A
Category C licence is held for:

clay target shooting
clay target shooting possession on behalf of a junior licence holder
primary production
professional hunting
another official, commercial or prescribed purpose.
Category D licence is held for professional hunting.

Both Category D and E licences are held for other official, commercial or prescribed purposes.

An Heirloom Licence is held for owning an inherited single firearm or matched pair or firearms only.

Category 1 Firearm Collector's Licence, Category 2 Firearm Collector's Licence, Antique Handgun Collectors, and Ammunition Collector's Licence - VP321B
Category 1 Firearm Collectors Licence is held for collecting handguns made before 1 January, 1947, and longarms.

Category 2 Firearm Collectors Licence is held for collecting only handguns made after 1 January, 1947.

Antique Handgun Collectors Licence is held for collecting only handguns made before January, 1900.

Paintball Marker Licence - VP1268
This licence is held by persons who wish to hold paintball marker licence.

Provisional General Category Handgun Licence - VP1285
A Provisional General Category Handgun Licence provides applicants with the ability to attain the preliminary requirement to qualify for a General Category Handgun Licence.

Junior Licence - VP325A
This licence is held by persons between the age of 12 and 18 who wish to hold a Category A, B or C Longarms or Handgun Licence.

Corporate Licence - VP305A
This licence is held by organisations wishing to:

become licensed to own and possess firearms for the lawful pursuit of the club
operate in the security and prison industry
engage in primary production
engage in professional hunting
another official, commercial or prescribed purpose.
Only organisations registered with the Australian Securities Commission, associations incorporated under the Associations Incorporation Act 1981 or a similar Act from another state or government department, may apply for this licence.

Victorian Firearm Dealer Licence - VP302A
This licence is held by person and businesses wishing to carry on a business for the purpose of:

acquiring firearms, parts or ammunition
disposing of firearms, parts or ammunition
hiring firearms, parts or ammunition
lending firearms, parts or ammunition
transferring ownership of firearms, parts or ammunition
exposing or offering for sale any firearms, parts or ammunition
manufacturing or repairing any firearm or parts.


Point being, Vspy, none of these allow carrying of guns by civilians on the street.  Enough detail about gun laws for you?

Also, if you live in another state, queensland especially, then do whatever you want.  No one wants queesnland anyway.

Last edited by some_random_panda (2007-12-20 16:50:18)

Kmarion wrote:

What catagory did these guys fall into on that list.

Are those Vietnamese?

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-12-20 17:03:13)

Or this.

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

What catagory did these guys fall into on that list.

Are those Vietnamese?

Probably... Australia has a lot of immigrants from Southeast Asia...

Do you think these guys were chinese vietnamese?
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009268780