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2006-02-08 18:17:41
=Robin-Hood=
A stranger in the dark
+213|7080|Belgium

Great to see a ROE, but as stated before wording could be better at some point, let the linguist have a shot at it

ROE wrote:

§2.2 You may not use foul or slanderous language involving race, gender, sexual preference, religion or creed.
And it is really up to date with the latest world problems

Cheers,
R

Last edited by =Robin-Hood= (2006-02-28 11:02:07)

2006-02-08 18:18:20
Xaat
Member
+3|6912
Cant switch teams for war college ribbon?

That’s the biggest pile of shit Ive ever heard, how the fuck else are you supposed to get it? Huh? Huh?

And how the hell can you tell if somebody has team-switched for it????

I think it’s a total joke all the people who were reset for doing this before it was even an official rule. What are you supposed to do if you have increased your win/loose ratio like this already? Now you have made this rule I guess you are fucked.

I’m sorry but I think you should reconsider this one, or change the requirements for this award.
2006-02-08 18:19:19
nordicfireman
Member
+7|6932

Crosell wrote:

Now now, lets not get all pissed off here. Now perhaps, who ever said that comment argaman? He did have a point just phrased wrong. His choice of words was not the best he could have used. He could have used, indian scout doesn't use correct grammar. Thats fine, because as you IndianScout have already asked, if anyone has better wording for these then do tell me.  I understand in typing that at times words are left out or just typed wrong. Now, lets all shake hands, and get on with correcting this document. So everyone can be happy and have a clear image and understanding of what the rules are.
agreed, although i am still worried with what i thought was an overreaction and sort of nazi-ish threats by NM154242/whatever that guy's name is, but i guess if chuy thinks so too he'll say something, and if not, he won't, and there's nothing more to be said about it.
2006-02-08 18:25:40
=Robin-Hood=
A stranger in the dark
+213|7080|Belgium

IndianScout wrote:

These are community rules, put out for discussion and tweaking as EA has stated.  As some of you may have noticed some of the rules have been modified and or tweaked due to the feedback EA and our program has received...

and yes these rules are Official...

you know it really doesn’t bother me, as English is my second language and I have had to deal with stupidity and racism my whole life..

Indian
Well, I appreciate it greatly that you take the effort to post it here, and follow the comments from this community as well. I noticed that you even responded to stat padder reports, which were posted here, and not at the rightful place.

Thanks a lot...
Hope to read you more

Cheers,
R
2006-02-08 18:31:24
shadowdark1974
Member
+0|6924|San Diego
As i read it we can still Blackhawk whore flags and repair and throw things out of the blackhawk AS LONG as it is not in the servers rule saying that we can't!!
2006-02-08 18:37:05
oberst_enzian
Member
+234|7002|melb.au

Xaat wrote:

Cant switch teams for war college ribbon?
And how the hell can you tell if somebody has team-switched for it????

I think it’s a total joke all the people who were reset for doing this before it was even an official rule. What are you supposed to do if you have increased your win/loose ratio like this already? Now you have made this rule I guess you are fucked.

I’m sorry but I think you should reconsider this one, or change the requirements for this award.
There's a bigger issue with this, and I would REALLY appreciate a RESPONSE about it: in what manner can it be determined whether someone switched to get a better W/L ratio, or switched to be with their clan mates / friends? Given that people who play with a good team get wins more often, then their W/L will go up substantially. So how can one determine whether they switched team to 'artificially boost their points', or just to play alongside their friends?

Or is the suggestion that you cannot decide to play with your friends/clan because autoswitch switched you? If that is the case, then I have to protest this as terribly unjustified! I think it's fair to assume that playing with friends/clan is one of the main reasons people play this particular game, with its squad dynamic and VOIP!

Indian, I would really appreciate hearing your thoughts on this.

Last edited by oberst_enzian (2006-02-08 18:40:53)

2006-02-08 18:42:46
Kobrakai
Weirdo
+152|7048|England
Yeah, the whole team switching thing is ridiculous in my opinion. Does it really do any harm to switch at the last minute anyway?

And what do you mean "switching to increase your w/l ratio for the WCR? surely that goes for everything too? like you shouldn’t always join china when going for your peoples medallion? etc..

The ribbon has these requirements, yet you disallow people who attempt to meet them in a way that does not hurt anyone.

Im trying to be as constructive as possible, but I do actually agree with Xaat’s post.

Last edited by Kobrakai (2006-02-08 18:46:32)

2006-02-08 18:45:18
Seth Infinite
Member
+3|6999|Houston, The Republic of Texas
Edited out

Last edited by Seth Infinite (2006-02-08 18:51:03)

2006-02-08 18:45:57
IndianScout
Member
+16|6935
it's my understanding and dont quote me, but if a player is brought under the microscope so to speak,

if their win loss ratio seems lopsided, server logs are requested from trusted providers to verify the win loss record..

this is what I was told 2nd hand,  this is how some player were reset for getting the WCR by exploit..
2006-02-08 18:48:08
Kobrakai
Weirdo
+152|7048|England

IndianScout wrote:

it's my understanding and dont quote me, but if a player is brought under the microscope so to speak,

if their win loss ratio seems lopsided, server logs are requested from trusted providers to verify the win loss record..

this is what I was told 2nd hand,  this is how some player were reset for getting the WCR by exploit..
By exploit? isnt the ability to change teams a feature of the game?
2006-02-08 18:49:25
oberst_enzian
Member
+234|7002|melb.au

IndianScout wrote:

it's my understanding and dont quote me, but if a player is brought under the microscope so to speak,

if their win loss ratio seems lopsided, server logs are requested from trusted providers to verify the win loss record..

this is what I was told 2nd hand,  this is how some player were reset for getting the WCR by exploit..
Thanks for taking time to respond. This exactly what I am worried about. Server Logs will not indicate why a player team switched, so it seems that bascially, to enforce this rule, many people that simply chose to play with their friends will have their stats reset for cheating. Surely this is unjustified.

edit: sorry, i quoted you! don't worry, only in the forum sense; i won't start spreading this discussion as 'gospel', so to speak

Last edited by oberst_enzian (2006-02-08 18:52:12)

2006-02-08 18:52:26
TriggerHappy998
just nothing
+387|7107|-
Yay for thread clean-up! Note that some posts have been edited and/or deleted at my discretion.
2006-02-08 18:52:56
dan500
Member
+57|7107

IndianScout wrote:

it's my understanding and dont quote me, but if a player is brought under the microscope so to speak,

if their win loss ratio seems lopsided, server logs are requested from trusted providers to verify the win loss record..

this is what I was told 2nd hand,  this is how some player were reset for getting the WCR by exploit..
lol, is the WCR a ribbon to test you, to see if you been stat padding to get it
2006-02-08 18:54:56
IndianScout
Member
+16|6935
you fears are unfounded,  if you change teams within the last couple minutes of each round more times than not,  then yes you are exploiting to gain the WCR...

if not then I wouldnt really see a problem...

clue - in the last couple minutes of each round..

Last edited by IndianScout (2006-02-08 18:55:16)

2006-02-08 18:55:23
=Robin-Hood=
A stranger in the dark
+213|7080|Belgium

oberst_enzian wrote:

Thanks for taking time to respond. This exactly what I am worried about. Server Logs will not indicate why a player team switched, so it seems that bascially, to enforce this rule, many people that simply chose to play with their friends will have their stats reset for cheating. Surely this is unjustified.
You are only partly correct... Server Logs will not indicate that, but a win loss of >10 and an overview of reccurent team switching at the end of the round will give a very good idea, no?

Cheers,
R

edit: what Indian just said
edit2: yay Trigger the real nazi mod (good job!)

Last edited by =Robin-Hood= (2006-02-08 18:58:08)

2006-02-08 18:58:56
Kobrakai
Weirdo
+152|7048|England
But don’t you think its a bit unfair to reset people who did this BEFORE IT WAS A RULE?

And don’t say it was always a rule, if it wasn’t in the ROE at the time somebody did it then they were not in the wrong. We cant guess the rules...
2006-02-08 18:59:15
Husker~ifh~
Beer Consumption Expert
+25|6990|Beerville, USA
I think Chuy and BF2S Amin need to dedicate a Hero's & Zero's page on the site.  Just think of the fun you guys could have with that.  Create your own awards and such... of course one of them would have to be "BIGGEST ASSHAT OF THE WEEK".  Think we already have this weeks winner.... then again what would we give FromTheAshes < "BIGGEST TARD POST OF THE WEEK" maybe...

Keep up the good work Indian and BF2S, while I don't envy what you do, I respect it.
2006-02-08 19:00:31
dan500
Member
+57|7107

IndianScout wrote:

you fears are unfounded,  if you change teams within the last couple minutes of each round more times than not,  then yes you are exploiting to gain the WCR...

if not then I wouldnt really see a problem...

clue - in the last couple minutes of each round..
In other word you mean if I/anyone switch's when there's about 10 - 30 tickets left?

But then what about people who get switched onto the loseing team at this stage, when they got the winning team to the win (happend to me a few times..)
2006-02-08 19:02:31
teh adam
Member
+2|6946

IndianScout wrote:

I'm in the middle of rewording the Blackhawk ruling..

this is what the rule applies too..

this doesnt apply to regular game play,

but how many times have you seen a blackhawk over the water somewhere or in the corner of a map and the guy is throwing mines or C4 out the window as fast as he can, while he is getting resupplied,'

if you player can come up with better wording for this rule, I am all ears...

Indian
I have never seen the bh used like that

I like the clarified rules... nice job
2006-02-08 19:04:39
eusgen
Nugget
+402|7052|Jupiter
For all of you losers who think the Orange name and Large name is cool and awsome..

§ Modification of Player Names which would alter their size or colors.

Last edited by (EUS)Gen.BadSnipaDay (2006-02-08 19:05:00)

2006-02-08 19:06:44
=Robin-Hood=
A stranger in the dark
+213|7080|Belgium

Kobrakai wrote:

But don’t you think its a bit unfair to reset people who did this BEFORE IT WAS A RULE?

And don’t say it was always a rule, if it wasn’t in the ROE at the time somebody did it then they were not in the wrong. We cant guess the rules...
Are we getting cold feet here?
I understand that it is difficult to imply a rule that wasn't there in the beginning, but don't you agree that intuitively you knew switching teams to get the ribbon was... well, not the concept of the game?

@Husker: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=7871
@dan wouldn't a "force" switch be indicated in the log? (oh and I HATE when that happens)

Cheers,
R
2006-02-08 19:07:05
Kobrakai
Weirdo
+152|7048|England

oberst_enzian wrote:

some of these rules will inevitabley cost innocent players of their well-earned stats
2006-02-08 19:07:51
eusgen
Nugget
+402|7052|Jupiter

teh adam wrote:

IndianScout wrote:

I'm in the middle of rewording the Blackhawk ruling..

this is what the rule applies too..

this doesnt apply to regular game play,

but how many times have you seen a blackhawk over the water somewhere or in the corner of a map and the guy is throwing mines or C4 out the window as fast as he can, while he is getting resupplied,'

if you player can come up with better wording for this rule, I am all ears...

Indian
I have never seen the bh used like that

I like the clarified rules... nice job
What if you are using the C4 to kill people?, like if i would happen to be supply and my buddy be throwing C4 onto enemy vehicles below, or flying to enemy commander assets and blowing it up.. while still in the chopper.... (that is saying... i would do that )
2006-02-08 19:10:31
Kobrakai
Weirdo
+152|7048|England

=Robin-Hood= wrote:

I understand that it is difficult to imply a rule that wasn't there in the beginning, but don't you agree that intuitively you knew switching teams to get the ribbon was... well, not the concept of the game?
No I had no idea, all I knew was that if you wanted this ribbon you would have to team switch just like all others that had it admitted to switching for it on these forums.
2006-02-08 19:10:58
Kamikaze17
Over the line!
+70|7008|Mark it zero.

(EUS)Gen.BadSnipaDay wrote:

teh adam wrote:

IndianScout wrote:

I'm in the middle of rewording the Blackhawk ruling..

this is what the rule applies too..

this doesnt apply to regular game play,

but how many times have you seen a blackhawk over the water somewhere or in the corner of a map and the guy is throwing mines or C4 out the window as fast as he can, while he is getting resupplied,'

if you player can come up with better wording for this rule, I am all ears...

Indian
I have never seen the bh used like that

I like the clarified rules... nice job
What if you are using the C4 to kill people?, like if i would happen to be supply and my buddy be throwing C4 onto enemy vehicles below, or flying to enemy commander assets and blowing it up.. while still in the chopper.... (that is saying... i would do that )
read a bit back there, he changed it to it being ok in an area where enemies are present. but if you do it off away from enemies then that is padding.

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