BF2S Forums Is Religion Outdated in the 21st Century?

Hell naw. People can still learn a hell of a lot by learning about religion and I dare say the world would be better if tenets of certain organized religions are followed.*


* = the term religion today almost always referred to organized religions, but in my opinion it's not even that. People lean closest to religions like Christianity, Buddhism, or atheism but everybody has their own opinion that is their own little, one-person religious sect.

I beleive in beleiving. I beleive in private spirituality and that it is up to me to live my life the way it was intended to be, not someone else. Organized religion can be a very good and powerful thing, however, history has taught us it can be equally destructive.

I don't think so at all. We must remember how much good is done because of religion, many hospitals, orphanages, schools, shelters and soup kitchens are run by religion and without religion would not exist. While I think many religions need to modernize faster than they are now, religion is still important to society in general, as it injects morals into the society.

Also religious wars are actually few and far between. 95% of wars are fought over political, social or economic reasons, religious ones make up the other five percent.

Some religions adapted to new eras but some didn't really wanna do that but instead they wanted to have same rules in the country. No matter how stupid they might be.

yes it is. The institutions are all corrupt. Find you own way to whatever you call god. No one should stop you. Of course, it is human nature to organise. I went to house church when I was a kid, cos some people reckon organised religion was crap, and before too long, they started organising. "we need rules, we need a building, we need leaders" all very sensible and human, but it how everything from the Catholic Church to the Taliban started. Sod it all

No, religion will not be outdated until people stop believing in it. Until then, it will continue to be the most effective method of social control.

Religion will always exist.  The institution of religion is not outdated, but certain interpretations are painfully outdated and incompatible with sensible modern societies.

Read: fanatics of religion are outdated.  Killing people over religion is so 16th and 17th Century.

Granted, plenty of it still goes on, but that's because a lot of people are fucking idiots.

Turquoise wrote:

Religion will always exist.  The institution of religion is not outdated, but certain interpretations are painfully outdated and incompatible with sensible modern societies.

Read: fanatics of religion are outdated.  Killing people over religion is so 16th and 17th Century.

Granted, plenty of it still goes on, but that's because a lot of people are fucking idiots.

Turq = correct again.

Lord Richard, wouldn't mind knowing where you got the info that we have definitive proof or a sound theory on how the universe was created. All we have is a few theories which are constantly debated and a rather massive particle accelerator experiment that should be performed soon.

Turquoise wrote:

Religion will always exist.  The institution of religion is not outdated, but certain interpretations are painfully outdated and incompatible with sensible modern societies.

Read: fanatics of religion are outdated.  Killing people over religion is so 16th and 17th Century.

Granted, plenty of it still goes on, but that's because a lot of people are fucking idiots.

Tis the truth.

Flecco wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Religion will always exist.  The institution of religion is not outdated, but certain interpretations are painfully outdated and incompatible with sensible modern societies.

Read: fanatics of religion are outdated.  Killing people over religion is so 16th and 17th Century.

Granted, plenty of it still goes on, but that's because a lot of people are fucking idiots.

Turq = correct again.

Lord Richard, wouldn't mind knowing where you got the info that we have definitive proof or a sound theory on how the universe was created. All we have is a few theories which are constantly debated and a rather massive particle accelerator experiment that should be performed soon.

Thanks for the support, Flecco...  Thanks also to FEOS

Flecco, you make some good points here with how the origin of the universe is still very murky and how science is defined by continual improvements in observation.

Granted, my main beef with religion is how it is very resistant to change.  Science definitely has the upper hand when it comes to logic and reason, but religion has a way of satisfying people that science doesn't usually offer.  Personally, I've never sought or needed this kind of thing, which is why I'm atheist, but most people don't like the uncertainty that things like agnosticism and science provide for.

So while religion is valid and deities could exist, science is more definite and tangible.  I would argue it's more practical as well -- at least when it comes to most things in life.

Yet, the subtle truth of your post is that it recognizes that science's greatest attribute is its openness to improvement.  Since dogma has unfortunately affected some of the scientific and secular communities, we have certain people like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens who go to great lengths to act as if all current scientific explanations are absolute truth.  The nature of science is relative, but I guess some scientists get a little too caught up in the heated debates between the religious and the secular.

I guess what people like Dawkins and Hitchens have recognized is the tendency for religion to sidestep logical concerns with philosophical beliefs that are both unprovable and cannot be disproven.  This logical flaw of religion is what I take issue with, but I recognize that I don't have the deep answers to the mysteries of life any moreso than these religious people do.  The difference is that I accept uncertainty while others try to evade it by making a lot of assumptions.

Religion is quite outdated. Internets is the new religion...


I'm not trying to sound pretentious here, I'm really not, but the State I live in is known for its "forward thinking" (among a few other States), and practically everyone is atheist or just doesn't give a shit.
So is this what the future is leading to?

I hope so! It'll lead to a lot less arguing and petty debates. Now that I think about it, atheism and/or agnosticism is the most peaceful religion in the world!

mtb0minime wrote:

I hope so! It'll lead to a lot less arguing and petty debates. Now that I think about it, atheism and/or agnosticism is the most peaceful religion in the world!

As long as it's not government enforced atheism (like some Communist nations have/had), then yes, secular societies tend to be the most peaceful.  Scandinavia is largely an atheist area of the world, and they have very little violent crime.