Flecco
iPod is broken.
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ATG wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Popcorn time. lowing has a point, why doesn't somebody start quoting something from the first half of the Qu'ran at him? See what he thinks of it...

Harmor, you cannot liken the two attacks upon the Twin Towers to an invasion of your country by a military force. There is no comparison.
Yes there is; we were attacked and those fuckers killed 3k of my countrymen.
I really thought you'd changed more than that ATG...

First look at who 'those fuckers' are. 21 highjackers who died in the process of the attack. If you want to take things a step further up the 'chain of command'...

You were attacked by a stateless political terrorism organisation claiming to represent an extremist sect of Islamic thought. 3 buildings were brought down and 1 had a hole put in the side of it. To me that does not sound like the annexation of a state as Harmor described it.

Was the Oaklahoma City Bombing comparable to an invasion too?



Damn, if lowly terrorist tactics can be considered military force these days I wonder what the CIA's psy-ops and paramilitary activities in South America would be considered.... Or M.I. 6's old activities in the Middle East.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
mikkel
Member
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lowing wrote:

mikkel wrote:

lowing wrote:

I am sorry, I am not the one who invented "Islamaphobia", people like you are. People like you are the ones who paint those of us who do not fear Islam but rather reject its extremist elements, as racists and bigots. It is after all the only weapon you have, since truth must be avoided by you.

But here is the truth anyway

Just as you insist on appeasement to try and stem the extremist element. I choose to stand up to it and not cater to it. Maybe you need to look up the definition of fear, appeasement, and defiance, and see that fear has little to do with defiance, and more to do with appeasement. Also see cowering.
I think this is the seventh time I've told you that we put extremists in jail, and couldn't dream of appeasing them. And you accuse me of avoiding the truth? Heh.

ATG wrote:

In what way?
He's in Iraq. Where are you?
What, Iraq has no bigots? Why exactly is it that it matters where he is?
It is a little hard to throw people in jail BEFORE they turn extremist isn't it. It is better to appease them to keep them from doing so isn't it?

So why are you calling me an Islamaphobe when you are the ones that choose appeasement for FEAR of the emergence of an extremist?

and why, if you approve of this action, do you find it so hard and distasteful to admit it?
For the eight time, we don't appease extremists. We don't appease would-be extremists. We send them to jail. We enter into dialogue with sensible people from all groups and religion, including muslims. That you are incapable of understanding something as simple as that is not only astounding, but also very telling of your islamophobia. It's done with every group. The US has done it with blacks and homosexuals. The blacks even had the Black Panthers being extremists. Did you do it out of fear of them becoming militant? Of course not. You did it to make the country a better place to be for everyone. What's the difference here? There is none, other than the fact that these people happen to be muslim.

You are an islamophobe, but it seems difficult for you to admit it.

Last edited by mikkel (2007-08-05 05:58:59)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|6648|USA

mikkel wrote:

lowing wrote:

mikkel wrote:


I think this is the seventh time I've told you that we put extremists in jail, and couldn't dream of appeasing them. And you accuse me of avoiding the truth? Heh.


What, Iraq has no bigots? Why exactly is it that it matters where he is?
It is a little hard to throw people in jail BEFORE they turn extremist isn't it. It is better to appease them to keep them from doing so isn't it?

So why are you calling me an Islamaphobe when you are the ones that choose appeasement for FEAR of the emergence of an extremist?

and why, if you approve of this action, do you find it so hard and distasteful to admit it?
For the eight time, we don't appease extremists. We don't appease would-be extremists. We send them to jail. We enter into dialogue with sensible people from all groups and religion, including muslims. That you are incapable of understanding something as simple as that is not only astounding, but also very telling of your islamophobia. It's done with every group. The US has done it with blacks and homosexuals. The blacks even had the Black Panthers being extremists. Did you do it out of fear of them becoming militant? Of course not. You did it to make the country a better place to be for everyone. What's the difference here? There is none, other than the fact that these people happen to be muslim.

You are an islamophobe, but it seems difficult for you to admit it.
YOU MEAN! YOU SEND PEOPLE TO JAIL FOR THOUGHT CRIMES???? You send "would-be" extremists to jail before they commit their extremist actions?? Say it isn't so!!. That is so non-understanding of you. No wonder you have to appease extremists, I would be pissed off at you as well for locking me in jail for my thoughts.

If you are entering dialog with Muslims for no other reason than to improve everyone's lives. Why does the article mention Islamaphobia to begin with?

When talking about homosexual special rights, the govt does not voice concern over homophobia as the reason for the dialog with them. Do they?? Nope the issue is equal rights and freedoms for them not the fear of them.

Last edited by lowing (2007-08-05 06:08:57)

David.P
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Lowing you dont have a problem, You are being told you have a problem because you're suspicious of Iraqi males being insurgents, And they dont dont want understand how this came about, They think you're automatically racist.

To them it does'nt matter what you've seen over there.

Oh no it does'nt matter that you might have seen an IED blow up a humvee in front of you killing all your comrades with their body parts flying everywhere.

It does'nt matter that you might have seen an Insurgent use a kid as an unwilling suicide bomber to blew up a crowded preschool.

It does'nt matter that you might have seen an Insurgent use a woman as a human body shield.

Oh no lowing they dont seem to care about your point of view, Even if you try to explain it to them they will tell you to shut up and spit in your face and call you a Murderer and such.

Lowing the Liberal Mindset is all about appeasement to the Minority why do you think we have all these laws protecting them? Because they are scared of them too scared to pull up their pants and fight back and risk losing their lives. They cave in to External pressure and not Internal because they know the people that they fight against in their own government are civilized and would not harm them or their families for disagreeing. Hypocrites and Liers the lot of them. Where is that Spirit that we had before Vietnam? Oh yeah flushed down the toilet of the nearest college.

To all liberals who are so insistent on respecting everyones rights but yet you forget the people who gave you these rights want to be heard and respected aswell, Soldiers are not machines they have emotions they are human they are the bravest of humans, Next time you see a serviceman shake his hand and thank him for what he did for you, Dont insult him because he was deployed to Iraq and had to fight to survive. Dont make scene, He gave up his comforts so you could have yours.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6559
Suspicious of Iraqi males being insurgents?

In Iraq?
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6668|UK

usmarine2005 wrote:

lowing wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Hi....and welcome back from Iraq.  Ask the person who accused you of it if they have ever been to a predominately muslim country on something other than vacation?
Actually, I am still in this shithole. It looks like for another 2 months. Still at Camp Taji, your old Camp Cooke ( the DFAC is named after him now)
Oh........well fuck em.
It's high time we brought the Iraqistanis freedom and we shall succeed.

Fast forward a few years

Oh.....well fuck em.

Love it.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
David.P
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Bubbalo wrote:

Suspicious of Iraqi males being insurgents?

In Iraq?
Dont act stupid. You know aswell as i do that Socialists will never understand what it's like dealing with Monsters. Oh wait but you call us monsters! For retaliating against terror and fighting for our freedom from Sharia law. But yet you allow the stoning of woman to go on with no criticism? Oh yeah thats right your too afraid to say shit to those that will hurt you. I cant wait to see how you will live under sharia law while Everyone who fought against them will be living, Drinking alcohol, Watching Pornos, Doing all the things we want to do with no fear of arrest or death. Go on Bubba fight for Sharia law in your country i cant wait to see the result(Unless a few people stop being afraid of them and fight back like the mongols who fought against Islam, Ya! You did'nt know they were provoked by Islam in the year 1203 and they fought back with more ferocity then the Caliphate could ever Imagine)

Last edited by David.P (2007-08-05 07:20:37)

jonsimon
Member
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David.P wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Suspicious of Iraqi males being insurgents?

In Iraq?
Dont act stupid. You know aswell as i do that Socialists will never understand what it's like dealing with Monsters. Oh wait but you call us monsters! For retaliating against terror and fighting for our freedom from Sharia law. But yet you allow the stoning of woman to go on with no criticism? Oh yeah thats right your too afraid to say shit to those that will hurt you. I cant wait to see how you will live under sharia law while Everyone who fought against them will be living, Drinking alcohol, Watching Pornos, Doing all the things we want to do with no fear of arrest or death. Go on Bubba fight for Sharia law in your country i cant wait to see the result(Unless a few people stop being afraid of them and fight back like the mongols who fought against Islam, Ya! You did'nt know they were provoked by Islam in the year 1203 and they fought back with more ferocity then the Caliphate could ever Imagine)
How many times has someone tried to impress you into sharia law in the last week? Month? Ever? I'm glad you're comparing yourself to the mongols. That seems appropriate.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6759

m3thod wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

lowing wrote:


Actually, I am still in this shithole. It looks like for another 2 months. Still at Camp Taji, your old Camp Cooke ( the DFAC is named after him now)
Oh........well fuck em.
It's high time we brought the Iraqistanis freedom and we shall succeed.

Fast forward a few years

Oh.....well fuck em.

Love it.
Not fuck the Iraqis you idiot.  Fuck the people on here calling him a phobe.
Smithereener
Member
+138|6313|California

David.P wrote:

Lowing you dont have a problem, You are being told you have a problem because you're suspicious of Iraqi males being insurgents, And they dont dont want understand how this came about, They think you're automatically racist.

To them it does'nt matter what you've seen over there.

Oh no it does'nt matter that you might have seen an IED blow up a humvee in front of you killing all your comrades with their body parts flying everywhere.

It does'nt matter that you might have seen an Insurgent use a kid as an unwilling suicide bomber to blew up a crowded preschool.

It does'nt matter that you might have seen an Insurgent use a woman as a human body shield.

Oh no lowing they dont seem to care about your point of view, Even if you try to explain it to them they will tell you to shut up and spit in your face and call you a Murderer and such.

Lowing the Liberal Mindset is all about appeasement to the Minority why do you think we have all these laws protecting them? Because they are scared of them too scared to pull up their pants and fight back and risk losing their lives. They cave in to External pressure and not Internal because they know the people that they fight against in their own government are civilized and would not harm them or their families for disagreeing. Hypocrites and Liers the lot of them. Where is that Spirit that we had before Vietnam? Oh yeah flushed down the toilet of the nearest college.

To all liberals who are so insistent on respecting everyones rights but yet you forget the people who gave you these rights want to be heard and respected aswell, Soldiers are not machines they have emotions they are human they are the bravest of humans, Next time you see a serviceman shake his hand and thank him for what he did for you, Dont insult him because he was deployed to Iraq and had to fight to survive. Dont make scene, He gave up his comforts so you could have yours.
First, I must ask you read a previous post of Lowing's stating that he is in Iraq but not as a soldier. He stated himself that him being in Iraq did not change his perspectives because he never ventured out of a base. Not to say he hasn't been facing any danger, but just throwing that out there.

Maybe, just maybe, some people think life is precious. Maybe they care more about the well being of their family and friends than their country. I think that's perfectly understandable. But no, according to you, everyone must be brave and willing to sacrifice their family and friends for their nation. If that's how you feel, more power to you, but don't condemn everyone else who just wants to get by in life. That said, your last paragraph really just ticked me off. Do you really believe that ALL liberals believe that soldiers should be brutalized and that ALL liberals disrespect soldiers? I really like that black/white only mindset you have going there.

Personally, this whole "Islamaphobia" thing is meaningless. Just another meaningless label that provokes more arguments like this. But I suppose whoever thought up the term meant it to do good or something. Why should we continually "appease" or cater to Muslims? Because there are bound to be moderate Muslims that are tempted to join either side. They are potential supporters and potential enemies, no? If we continue to have the attitude that we shouldn't be accepting of Muslims, what does their view on the US look like? They'll see us as a shithole nation that fears Islam and will most likely make them our enemies. But what if we did cater to Islam? What if we did more easily accept the Muslims? Maybe not all the viewpoints of all the moderates/extremists/etc. will change, but inevitably some will - in the favor of the US. We gain allies/supporters within the Muslim population who can maybe support our ideals in places that we wouldn't expect. So in the end, I believe it's all for the potential of gaining new support within the population that's swaying towards either side.

Don't get me wrong, I still believe we can fight extremists because these are the least likely to change. BUT, the whole "Islamification" bullcrap that people are coining is to prevent more people from becoming extremists. That right there is the whole reason in my eyes - The prevention of the proliferation of extremist ideals towards those who may potentially become an ally.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6668|UK

usmarine2005 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:


Oh........well fuck em.
It's high time we brought the Iraqistanis freedom and we shall succeed.

Fast forward a few years

Oh.....well fuck em.

Love it.
Not fuck the Iraqis you idiot.  Fuck the people on here calling him a phobe.
pffftttt i give up
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

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