TodErnst wrote:
lowing wrote:
[pt] KEIOS wrote:
- death penalty costs more, then prison.
- there are too many innocents, getting toasted
- death penalty doesn´t deter the criminals from crime
- when someone ends up in prison, many other social systems failed before that. improve those!
- justice is not about revenge.
-stats please
-stats please
-shouldn't be meant as a deterent it is supposed to be punishment.
-personal responsibility, not social welfare is the key.
-justice is exactly about revenge, restitution, or whatever else you wanna call it. People are meant to pay for their crimes. It shouldn't be about rehab, it should be punisment.
-death penalty costs more, then prison.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article … amp;scid=7-When comparisons are made between states with the death penalty and states without, the majority of death penalty states show murder rates higher than non-death penalty states. The average of murder rates per 100,000 population in 1999 among death penalty states was 5.5, whereas the average of murder rates among non-death penalty states was only 3.6.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article … mp;did=167-crime punishment are meant as a deterrent to prevent crime !
-personal responsibility must be learned - a process, that should come out of the social environment and the social system
-no, justice is not about revenge - justice originally is thought as help for lots of people to live together.
justice should be for the people, not against them !
Good post: I asked and you provided.
Here is the thing, I think it is unreasonable to assume that people base their decision to kill a person on weather or not they will get the DP or not. Anyone crazy or irrational enough to commit such acts would not be coherent enough to reason that they better not cut this little girl into a million pieces because they might get executed. Or reason, sure, I might as well cut this girl into a million pieces because there is no DP in this state anyway. I doubt it works that way.
I know what justice is all about, I see lady justice with the blind fold on. Although I think a more proper statue would be lady justice with a blindfold on and her hand held out waiting to accept payment for justice.
You learn personal responsibility, or should, as a kid and young adult. If you read more of my posts you will see I do not endorse spoon feeding criminals and those that have no sense of responsibility.
Justice does not help us live together, that is moralities job. Justice is there when morality fails us. There for it is meant to pay someone for the wrong that has been done onto them. IE revenge, restitution.etc Whatever you wanna call it. I do not having a single PC bone in my body so will call it revenge.
Justice IS for the people, it should not be FOR the criminals.
I posted earlier that DNA is taking away all doubt as to who did what at a crime scene. IF murderers DNA was the clue to solving a crime, time to go to sleep, which is probably better than the option the criminal gave his victim(s)
+1 for a good argument
Last edited by lowing (2007-07-30 06:32:45)