| A genetic condition | 28% | 28% - 82 | ||||
| A personal choice | 36% | 36% - 104 | ||||
| A mental disorder | 26% | 26% - 75 | ||||
| Other | 9% | 9% - 27 | ||||
| Total: 288 | ||||||
Fair.....lowing wrote:
Maybe for the same reason you didn't talk about fuckin the shit outta your best friends mom at that age either??usmarine2005 wrote:
I have one small question.
Now picture those queer eye for the straight guy dudes. Why didn't they talk like that when they were ten years old if you are born with it?
Well, even a broke clock is right twice a day jonsimon.jonsimon wrote:
Lowing being intelligent and rational? This deserves a +1.lowing wrote:
For all those that think homosexuality is a "personal choice":
Please describe to the court, the exact moment in your life when you made the conscience decision that you prefer a female over a male. Tell us all, when you weighed all the facts, why you CHOSE females over males. Please tell us what was going through your mind the night before you had to make your decision, or the pressures you were under. Enlighten us on who you talked to, before making this decision. Did you talk to a priest, your counselor, maybe your mom and dad or even your friends? Maybe you read books on the subject so you could make an educated decision.
It had to be a tremendous life altering decision you made. Please share your decision making experience with us.
OK 13, well then.................ummmmmmmmmmmmm...................I have no ideausmarine2005 wrote:
Fair.....lowing wrote:
Maybe for the same reason you didn't talk about fuckin the shit outta your best friends mom at that age either??usmarine2005 wrote:
I have one small question.
Now picture those queer eye for the straight guy dudes. Why didn't they talk like that when they were ten years old if you are born with it?
13 yrs old then.
My guess is for the same reason Angelina Jolie didn't act like a sexpot at age ten, they hadn't hit puberty and become overwhelmed with the idea of getting off with someone. Men have a lot of genetic material to spread around and look for a mate who is not only healthy enough to bear his offspring, but also docile enough that he can have his way with her. Even if some of the wiring is screwy with these guys, some of it is still like the straight guys so they're looking for a partner who isn't a physical threat. There are a lot of gay guys that act like normal dudes. Maybe they're actually more gay, since they're not only attracted to the same sex's equipment, but are looking for that sense of security that women would normally find attractive in a man.usmarine2005 wrote:
I have one small question.
Now picture those queer eye for the straight guy dudes. Why didn't they talk like that when they were ten years old if you are born with it?
Where is bubbalo whe you need him?chittydog wrote:
Of course, we could answer this whole question by just finding a queen or a butch and asking them.
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this is what i meant. sorry i wasn't around to debate with, but after my post on page one, i had to go. /dumbBertster7 wrote:
How can it possibly be a choice?CoronadoSEAL wrote:
very true - but i believe it still can be a choice.topal63 wrote:
It is not a genetic disorder/condition.
It is not a mental disorder/condition.
It is not predicated upon a gene (there is no such thing as a gay gene).
It is not a personal choice.
It is something other: it is a matter of genetic expression & potential based upon sexual differentiation during fetal development and puberty.
Committing homosexual acts is a choice. But if you weren't gay you really wouldn't enjoy it. You don't choose what you enjoy, it comes naturally.
Friends of yours? How do you know how they talked when they were kids?usmarine2005 wrote:
I have one small question.
Now picture those queer eye for the straight guy dudes. Why didn't they talk like that when they were ten years old if you are born with it?
ROFL.lowing wrote:
You are saying that you choose to be straight or gay each day of your life, just as you would choose to wear a coat or a heavy sweater outside depending on what mood you are in that day?? Well please post back and tell us how you cope, on the days you wake up in the mood to suck a dick.Havok wrote:
That would be a great sig, except the gun isn't a G36E. It looks like a G36 to me.Klinka-Klinko wrote:
Using a G36E.
To Lowing, I choose to be heterosexual every single day. It's not a one-time decision that you make. There are countless people that have 'rediscovered' themselves by becoming gay. By your logic, they couldn't just become gay because they were straight before. I choose to be heterosexual because, to me, it seems like a more enjoyable life style. There are other people who don't see it that way, and because of it, they become homosexual. It's all based on preference, which is a choice.
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If you are straight, you can be in a fishing boat with 60 fishermen and nothing will happen. At least, it won't be your call.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Isolation induces Homosexuality. This means non-Coed schools.
Fishing boat for a few days is fine. Think of it like in prison, how many man on man anal rape has occur? There is bound to be homosexual acts if you haven't seen someone or interacted someone from the opposite sex in months.sergeriver wrote:
If you are straight, you can be in a fishing boat with 60 fishermen and nothing will happen. At least, it won't be your call.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Isolation induces Homosexuality. This means non-Coed schools.
What? No, thanks but no. I wouldn't cross that line even if I had to be in the fishing boat for a long time. Are you suggesting that the crew members of a nuclear submarine sailing for a long time have sex with each other? And raping is not a choice.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Fishing boat for a few days is fine. Think of it like in prison, how many man on man anal rape has occur? There is bound to be homosexual acts if you haven't seen someone or interacted someone from the opposite sex in months.sergeriver wrote:
If you are straight, you can be in a fishing boat with 60 fishermen and nothing will happen. At least, it won't be your call.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Isolation induces Homosexuality. This means non-Coed schools.
Proverbs from lowing:sergeriver wrote:
What? No, thanks but no. I wouldn't cross that line even if I had to be in the fishing boat for a long time. Are you suggesting that the crew members of a nuclear submarine sailing for a long time have sex with each other? And raping is not a choice.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Fishing boat for a few days is fine. Think of it like in prison, how many man on man anal rape has occur? There is bound to be homosexual acts if you haven't seen someone or interacted someone from the opposite sex in months.sergeriver wrote:
If you are straight, you can be in a fishing boat with 60 fishermen and nothing will happen. At least, it won't be your call.
Nah, I've done it before and credit where credit is due.lowing wrote:
Well, even a broke clock is right twice a day jonsimon.jonsimon wrote:
Lowing being intelligent and rational? This deserves a +1.lowing wrote:
For all those that think homosexuality is a "personal choice":
Please describe to the court, the exact moment in your life when you made the conscience decision that you prefer a female over a male. Tell us all, when you weighed all the facts, why you CHOSE females over males. Please tell us what was going through your mind the night before you had to make your decision, or the pressures you were under. Enlighten us on who you talked to, before making this decision. Did you talk to a priest, your counselor, maybe your mom and dad or even your friends? Maybe you read books on the subject so you could make an educated decision.
It had to be a tremendous life altering decision you made. Please share your decision making experience with us.
Are you sure you don't feel like you need a shower for giving me a karma??
In most cases, both.sergeriver wrote:
Is Homosexuality a choice or a condition?
You can choose to perform a homosexual act, but that does not necessarily make you gay. You are naturally heterosexual, and would not want to do such a thing, same as a homosexual man with a woman.N.A.T.O wrote:
Homosexuality is a personal choice influenced by life experiences. The fact that I could suddenly make the choice to be gay tomorrow is proof. To simple? It’s Occam's razor.
I would pretty much go along with this. Life has so many variables that many cases of homosexuality may be influenced by different factors aside from genetic or neurochemical ones. Experience in early life must surely have a large effect on sexuality (like in the case of abuse and so on).Turquoise wrote:
In most cases, both.sergeriver wrote:
Is Homosexuality a choice or a condition?
There is a genetic/neurochemical component to homosexuality, but at the same time, certain life experiences can lead to becoming gay as well.
Apparently, a large portion of the gay community has suffered sexual abuse during childhood. In many cases, this abuse plays a large part in determining whether or not a person becomes gay.
Then again, there are cases of being "born" gay.
Sexuality is far too complicated of a mental state to generalize as simply genetic or environmental. This is why many of the Religious Right fail to understand the nuances of homosexuality. They'd like to categorize it as a choice or disorder, but it's just not that simple.
I tend to consider homosexuality as some form of genetic "disorder". Before the flame fest begins let me explain: The only reason why one might call homosexuality a disorder is the fact that it contradicts man's innate "instructions" concerning the reproduction of the species.Turquoise wrote:
There is a genetic/neurochemical component to homosexuality, but at the same time, certain life experiences can lead to becoming gay as well.
Apparently, a large portion of the gay community has suffered sexual abuse during childhood. In many cases, this abuse plays a large part in determining whether or not a person becomes gay.
Then again, there are cases of being "born" gay.
Sexuality is far too complicated of a mental state to generalize as simply genetic or environmental. This is why many of the Religious Right fail to understand the nuances of homosexuality. They'd like to categorize it as a choice or disorder, but it's just not that simple.
Good points... I would agree.oug wrote:
I tend to consider homosexuality as some form of genetic "disorder". Before the flame fest begins let me explain: The only reason why one might call homosexuality a disorder is the fact that it contradicts man's innate "instructions" concerning the reproduction of the species.
I understand that many people react to the term disorder, and I admit it sounds kind of wrong given that homosexuality causes no harm, especially since there is no need as of late for humans to reproduce any more (in fact there's a need for us to stop ) and since there are ways of going around that tiny problem too. It's sort of like calling a bald man sick. Technically it may be correct, but practically there's nothing wrong with them.
Surely though, I would not dare blame sexual abuse as a reason for homosexuality, given that not all victims have shown such tendencies, while at the same time, many people who have been living a perfectly "normal" life somehow do.
Also, calling it a choice implies that if someone really wants to, he may become a homosexual just like that. I don't know if that is possible. Hell, come to think of it, I wouldn't call it a mental state either. That also implies that its all in one's head, and that he/she could change if they so wish for some reason.
As far as the religious right is concerned, or any other haters for that matter, I think it's more convenient for them to consider homosexuality a choice. That way their racism and hatred can be justified.
Sorry, there is no such thing as bi-sexual..Turquoise wrote:
Good points... I would agree.oug wrote:
I tend to consider homosexuality as some form of genetic "disorder". Before the flame fest begins let me explain: The only reason why one might call homosexuality a disorder is the fact that it contradicts man's innate "instructions" concerning the reproduction of the species.
I understand that many people react to the term disorder, and I admit it sounds kind of wrong given that homosexuality causes no harm, especially since there is no need as of late for humans to reproduce any more (in fact there's a need for us to stop ) and since there are ways of going around that tiny problem too. It's sort of like calling a bald man sick. Technically it may be correct, but practically there's nothing wrong with them.
Surely though, I would not dare blame sexual abuse as a reason for homosexuality, given that not all victims have shown such tendencies, while at the same time, many people who have been living a perfectly "normal" life somehow do.
Also, calling it a choice implies that if someone really wants to, he may become a homosexual just like that. I don't know if that is possible. Hell, come to think of it, I wouldn't call it a mental state either. That also implies that its all in one's head, and that he/she could change if they so wish for some reason.
As far as the religious right is concerned, or any other haters for that matter, I think it's more convenient for them to consider homosexuality a choice. That way their racism and hatred can be justified.
Although I think the word "anomaly" would probably work better than "disorder."
Other animals have been shown to exhibit homosexuality, albeit a small minority of them. The same is true of humans, but the higher incidence of homosexuality among humans than in most animals is probably a result of our complexity. Most psychologists claim that sexuality is a spectrum rather than an "on/off" switch. This explains why some people are bisexual.
In most cases of bisexuality, the person isn't attracted equally to either gender. He or she still prefers one over the other, but the fact that the person is still open to the other option indicates that they are near the "middle" of the spectrum.
I figure if sexuality was a binary mindset, no bisexuals would exist.
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There is a line in the sand, a point of no return, once you cross it, that is it.
This of course only applies to guys and ugly women
Beautiful women who eat pussy, well, that is poetry in motion, and perfectly acceptable and normal. They can hop over that line in the sand at their leasure.
Don't ask me why, it is just the way it is. And far be it from me to go against society.