BF2S Forums You know what, if you don't like gays, keep it to yourself.

Honestly, I'm all for gay rights. Let gay people get married. Let them adopt kids. Let them do whatever the hell they feel like. But even I get a little annoyed when I see gay pride parades, because, frankly, it's not necessary. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that most of the United States doesn't really give a crap about homosexuals (which isn't to say that they 'like' gay people, in fact, the studies I've read while researching this post indicate that the majority of the population doesn't like homosexuality if even on a superficial level), its just that the religious right makes far more noise than their relative size would merit.

Society will eventually check these people as far as public opinion and policy is concerned. Every relevant medical and psychiatric association came to the conclusion that homosexuality is perfectly normal and healthy decades ago, and it is only the self-deluded and or irrational among the public that believe that homosexuality is either immoral or unnatural. To those who disagree with me, I challenge you to provide even a modicum of evidence to support your position, because, thus far, the only people arguing that being gay is 'wrong' in some respect have nothing to draw upon but their own bias. I would also note that my earlier contribution to this thread, namely, the links providing support for the notion that being gay is not a choice (also a conclusion that the relevant medical and psychiatric communities reached some time ago) were ignored in their entirety.

I'll make this point one last time, just for the sake of being thorough. The APA, the AMA, every doctor and psychiatrist worth his or her title, and practically every medical professional who places his professional integrity before religious conviction will tell you that homosexuality is not unnatural or a choice. The studies to back this up are everywhere if you choose to look. Scientists have provided statistically damning evidence that genetically determined physical characteristics such as finger length and hair pattern collate with being homosexual. The number of biological brothers born to your mother is statistically relevant in terms of how likely it is that you will turn out gay. Efforts to 'turn people straight' via psychiatric methods have been dismissed by the larger medical community as the proverbial pipe dream of fundamentalist christians. all objective evidence supports the notion that homosexuality is a normal occurance, and is perfectly natural (as far as the occurance of homosexuality, which, it appears, extends across every cultural, economic and social boundary).

Honestly, it boggles my mind that in a world with so many problems, people choose to be upset by which consenting adults choose to have sex with one another in private.

In conclusion, if you feel disturbed by homosexuality, fine. Humans are programmed, for lack of a better term, to be disturbed by that which is different than what they know. It is one thing to see two men kissing each other (something that even I find discomforting) and feel disturbed, but it is entirely another thing to say that that is 'unnatural' or 'immoral' for the simple reason that you do not like it.

I submit to you (again):

http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/RootW … cal_ba.htm

http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/readi … inger.html

www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0511152103v1.pdf

Above are just a few of the many, many studies being done on homosexuality, and you'll be hard pressed to find any (other than from sites like 'narth.com') that provide viewpoint that support the 'homosexuality is a choice/is immoral' perspective. If you want to believe that homosexuality is immoral, fine. I can't stop you, but don't make the mistake of believing for a moment that your view is based on any kind of objective reality.

HunterOfSkulls wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

You're here to make babies, spread on your seed and continue the human race and die.

If you can't do that, you just die.

Though I'm not religious at all and I believe in evolution, but it wasn't Adam and David. It's Adam & Eve being told in the bible, and for a reason. Procreation.

Things are supposed to come out of there, not go back in! and out again

You. Get a fucking hobby. Now. Seriously, occupy yourself with something if for no better reason than the possibility that you might never, ever have the time to type something like that again. The internets will thank you for it and so will we.

Lmao, someone's a bit angry.

Sorry Mein Hitler, didn't know you were so opposed to opinionated people! You don't even give me a reason why it's so bad, you just say it is. Gimme a reason, seriously. Then maybe you can go on your little e-roid rage again.

I'll say it again for the thickheaded like HunterofSkulls.

You're here to continue the human species via pro-creation. Which is why, considering I've had scares with testicular cancer, I'm going to try to have a kid (after i'm married obviously) when I'm in my 20's.

Just adding on...I'm not against gays at all. I'm fine around gay people, and I think most of them are great guys. I'm just pointing out that it's not natural, and it's only around because of the human mind and emotions.

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Poseidon wrote:

HunterOfSkulls wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

You're here to make babies, spread on your seed and continue the human race and die.

If you can't do that, you just die.

Though I'm not religious at all and I believe in evolution, but it wasn't Adam and David. It's Adam & Eve being told in the bible, and for a reason. Procreation.

Things are supposed to come out of there, not go back in! and out again

You. Get a fucking hobby. Now. Seriously, occupy yourself with something if for no better reason than the possibility that you might never, ever have the time to type something like that again. The internets will thank you for it and so will we.

Lmao, someone's a bit angry.

Sorry Mein Hitler, didn't know you were so opposed to opinionated people! You don't even give me a reason why it's so bad, you just say it is. Gimme a reason, seriously. Then maybe you can go on your little e-roid rage again.

I'll say it again for the thickheaded like HunterofSkulls.

You're here to continue the human species via pro-creation. Which is why, considering I've had scares with testicular cancer, I'm going to try to have a kid (after i'm married obviously) when I'm in my 20's.

Just adding on...I'm not against gays at all. I'm fine around gay people, and I think most of them are great guys. I'm just pointing out that it's not natural, and it's only around because of the human mind and emotions.

Is it? Care to explain why animals have been commonly known to perform homosexual acts?

I want to post meatspin now... But I'll be banned. Wait... Didn't it get filtered?

Poseidon wrote:

I'm just pointing out that it's not natural, and it's only around because of the human mind and emotions.

So, the human mind isn't natural, is it?

Edit: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news … mal_2.html

"The bonobo, an African ape closely related to humans, has an even bigger sexual appetite. Studies suggest 75 percent of bonobo sex is nonreproductive and that nearly all bonobos are bisexual."

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Poseidon wrote:

Lmao, someone's a bit angry.

Sorry Mein Hitler, didn't know you were so opposed to opinionated people! You don't even give me a reason why it's so bad, you just say it is. Gimme a reason, seriously. Then maybe you can go on your little e-roid rage again.

Well, since you asked so nicely.

It's the same dumbass "Hurrrrr, it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" nonsense with the additional "I'm not religious but I'm going to cite religion anyway" argument I just got done mentioning in a previous post. So I really shouldn't have been so annoyed about it, it's a perfect example of the kind of shoddy thinking I was talking about. I should be thanking you for displaying it for everybody.

Poseidon wrote:

I'll say it again for the thickheaded like HunterofSkulls.

You're here to continue the human species via pro-creation. Which is why, considering I've had scares with testicular cancer, I'm going to try to have a kid (after i'm married obviously) when I'm in my 20's.

Maybe you're here for that. I'm not. I'd like to think that maybe there's a bit more to the human species than "breed and consume", but I guess maybe I'm just thickheaded. Frankly I think the obsession with breeding is in the process of seriously fucking us over as a species and there is no way in hell that humanity is in imminent or even eventual danger of dying out due to people not procreating.

Poseidon wrote:

Just adding on...I'm not against gays at all. I'm fine around gay people, and I think most of them are great guys. I'm just pointing out that it's not natural, and it's only around because of the human mind and emotions.

And as I've said previously "It's not natural" isn't really relevant to the vast majority of things humans do. It's bordering on non sequitir, if not just flat out nonsensical.

And seriously, "Mein Hitler"? There's a lot of people in this world walking around with numbers tattooed on their forearms that'd slap the taste out of your mouth for equating what they went through to someone talking smack to you on a message board.

SealXo wrote:

Man, i just got back from Chuck & Larry, and i never had a problem with gays. But now i really accept them as a whole group of people. I used to get the slightest bit uncomfortable, but now its all ok.

See, how I see it. Is if you don't like gays and preach all your religious shit to them, telling them they will burn in hell. Fuck you.
You shouldn't be talking about people like that. It is there personal choice, and if it makes them feel comfortable, then thats makes me happy that they are happy.

That can hurt peoples feelings and make them commit suicide, and if they do that, its all your fault so keep quiet. how would you feel if you said something like that to a gay and then they blew there head off because of you?

If you are trying to scare off gays and make them believe in your ideas. Then you might as well join Al Queda, or a radical islamic group, because that is what they are trying to achieve.

If god created all people, and gave each person a god given path, then they are following there path. So shut the fuck up.
If i ever hear someone call someone else a gay, faggot, homo whatever im going to deck them in the jaw.

Nuff-Said

PS to peoples replies, it wount be shoved down your throat if everyone would shut the fuck up and just go bone there wife dog or whatever.

It's good to see that someone relatively conservative realizes this. Good post.

It's always good to remember that groups like Al Quida and various other Islamists are basically a really extreme version of conservatism.  This is why I don't understand how some left-wingers seem to side with Islamism.  They don't side with the violence of Islamism, but they seem to tolerate the sexism and xenophobia of much of the Islamic World.

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Reciprocity wrote:

It's their god damned agenda,  I try to drag 'em behind my truck, and they're like no, I dont wanna.  and I'm like hey, dont force your choices on me.

democrats are the same way.

Wow, liberals are mean!

My roommate is gay and I'm only gonna say this: I am sick of Will and Grace marathons.

Poseidon wrote:

HunterOfSkulls wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

You're here to make babies, spread on your seed and continue the human race and die.

If you can't do that, you just die.

Though I'm not religious at all and I believe in evolution, but it wasn't Adam and David. It's Adam & Eve being told in the bible, and for a reason. Procreation.

Things are supposed to come out of there, not go back in! and out again

You. Get a fucking hobby. Now. Seriously, occupy yourself with something if for no better reason than the possibility that you might never, ever have the time to type something like that again. The internets will thank you for it and so will we.

Lmao, someone's a bit angry.

Sorry Mein Hitler, didn't know you were so opposed to opinionated people! You don't even give me a reason why it's so bad, you just say it is. Gimme a reason, seriously. Then maybe you can go on your little e-roid rage again.

I'll say it again for the thickheaded like HunterofSkulls.

You're here to continue the human species via pro-creation. Which is why, considering I've had scares with testicular cancer, I'm going to try to have a kid (after i'm married obviously) when I'm in my 20's.

Just adding on...I'm not against gays at all. I'm fine around gay people, and I think most of them are great guys. I'm just pointing out that it's not natural, and it's only around because of the human mind and emotions.

I think the best indicator here is the failure to understand how his ignorant comments are in fact ignorant.
Here's some reasons then.

A) Whether or not you procreate, you're gonna die anyway. Its amusing to me that you think procreating is like NOT dying.

B) Its Adam and Eve in the Bible for one reason only...they want your money and your consciousness, thats all. And you FELL for it.

C) So if your life depended on an enema....see where I'm going here?

Hunter couldn't bring himself to type these self-evident banalities, so I'm doing him, and you, a favour.

Don't do it again!

PS Good luck with the testicles.....

Your title: "You know what, if you don't like gays, keep it to yourself"
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How about the other way around?....
You see gay parades of guys in spandex thongs and "imitating" like they are fucking each other, all in the news! Every single parade.
Sure people will keep it to themselves when the gays stop sexually flaunting themselves in front of my children on TV....on the news of all things.
Parade all you want but with some decency. No need to advertise SEX for their right. My two centavos...

Graphics artist has a point. I dont care what you do but dont hurt or inconvenience others who dont share your views. Aka Gay Pride March.