Loved Mississippi Burning too. And yes its comparable but not just with KKK and South America. Take just last 100 years. Comunist Russia, China with its 300 000 political prisoners, Former Yugoslavia, Romania or Nazi Germany, Turkmenistan, North Korea not to mention all the African and South and Central American ones. And thats just a small fraction of dictators and oppressive regimes. And people are always scared and it takes A LONG time for something to change.Pierre wrote:
Interesting topic, as always DBY.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
I just saw this and this radio host hit the nail on the head. I don't agree with how the host started his rant, but if you listen to this whole thing, especially when he calms down....he really gets to the point of how regular Muslims do not stand up to the hi-jacking of their religion and how they rarely speak out against the crimes that are committed in the name of Islam. A cartoon can tick them off, but not the beheading of children?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3af_1184708307
I wonder, could you compare this behaviour of the average Muslims not speaking out against the violence committed in the name of their faith to the similar behaviour of Americans who were living in the Southern states (Mississippi, Alabama, etc.), home of the KKK, in the 50's and 60's, at the time of the racial problems? I remember the movie 'Mississippi burning' with Gene Hackman and William Dafou.
From what I've read about that topic most white Americans living in that area knew what was happening but choose not to talk about it. Were they all racist and members of the KKK? Or were they afraid of their life because they had to live there after the FBI went home? You tell me.
I recently watched a documentation on the TV about the brother of one of the victims at that time, who was going after the criminal who killed his brother (the guy was recently convicted), and even now people were scared. Those criminals were living among the community as if nothing happened.
Just remembered this item, which I noticed on the net some days ago... here's the link: http://www.yehhumnaheen.org/DeathBecomesYu wrote:
So, yes, I agree with you there is the element of fear and that is why I believe that you won't see protests in the heart of most Muslim countries. You may see them in countries outside of Muslim countries but honestly, the only true public protest(people marching) was when the dutch cartoons were protested. Other than that, can anyone show me a protest based in a Muslim country against radical Islam...I'm sure it may have happened but I would be surprised.
The song was the brainchild of Waseem Mahmood whose children asked him to do something about the rising radicalization of Islam -something they as young Muslims did not feel that represented the religion that they were brought up to believe in. They wanted to get a message to young Pakistanis like themselves that all that was happening around them in the name of Islam was not them - thus the song was born. Assembling the star cast and trying to arrange everybody's diaries for the recordings and the video proved to be a challenging endeavor.
The song was recorded during a three month period from November 2006 to January 2007 at Sound of Speed studios in Karachi.
The video was shot on HD by Khurrum Mahmood, Waseem Mahmood's elder son and edited by his younger son, Khaiyyam both of whom are attending film school in UK. The studio footage was shot by award winning DOP, Imran Ali. The graphics and animations were designed by Rashid Saeed, Aamir Khan and Aamir Yousuf.
Waseem, veteran award winning director who has worked with some of the biggest names names in the industry, describes the video as "consciously simple" emulating similar videos made in the West like "We are the World" and "Band Aid" where the message is more important than making a glamourous, all sing - all dancing production. "For me the glamour of the video was in assembling the biggest star cast ever seen in Pakistan in one single shot, something that had never been achieved before. Mahsallah, the response to the video has been amazing - I have been inundated with messages of support and congratulations from young Pakistanis around the world who have thanked me for standing up and giving voice to their sentiments. The response from the international music industry has been equally humbling - major stars, many of whom I have idolized myself have contacted me to say how much they loved the song and video and would like to collaborate with us on an English version... I guess that we must have done something right!"
The Lyrics By Ali Moeen
Hamarey Naam Say Phali Howi Jhoti Kahani Ha
This story that is being spread in our names is a lie
Yeah Mohrein Mouat Ki….. Mathay Pay Gharoun Ki Nishani Hey
These stamps of death on our forehead are the signs of others
Hamein Jis Naam Say Tum Jantay Ho….Woh Hum Nahien
The name by which you know us - we are not that
Humein Jis Ankh Say Tum Dehktay Ho….Woh Hum Nahien
The eyes with which you look at us - we are not that
Yeah Hum Nahi, Yeah Hum Nahi, Yeah Hum Nahi, Yeah Hum Nahi,
This is not us - this is not us...
Jaisay Sham Atay hi Koi Rasta Bola Bathay
As with the coming of night one loses one's way
Andhairo Say Daaray Itna Kay Hum Ghar Hi Jala Bathay
We are scared of the dark so much that we are burning our own home
Yeah Kya Charo Taraf Urti Howi Ryigani Hey
What is this rising all around us...
Hamarey Naam Say Phali Howi Jhoti Kahani Hey
The stories that are being spread in our names are lies
Yeah Hum Nahi. Yeah Hum Nahi, Yeah Hum Nahi. Yeah Hum Nahi,
This is not us...
Gira Bathay Ha Rastay Mein Sabak Hum Sath Rahnay Ka
We have lost on the way the lesson of living togeather
Humay Ek Dosray Say Isliya Bhi Lag Raha Ha Daar
we are now even scared of each other.
Who Koi Aur Hain Jin Kay Taray Hataoo May Chehray Hain
They are others whose faces are on your hands
Tumhara Duokh Sumandar Hey….Hamaray Zakham Ghairay Hey
Your hurts are a deep sea - our wounds are deep.
Hamarey Naam Say Phali Howi Jhoti Kahani Hey
The stories that are being spread in our names are lies
Yeah Hum Nahi. Yeah Hum Nahi, Yeah Hum Nahi. Yeah Hum Nahi,
This is not us...
The more you talk the more you show your utter stupidity. First...who in the hell is asking the Muslim people to apologize to them in this thread???????????????HUH????????? You can't even remember what this post is about. No one is asking for them to apologize. I am asking them to stand up for their religion and kick out the bastards who pervert their religion so they can go out and kill and maim. True Muslims are not a threat to anyone, the threat comes from those who want to kill in the name of Islam. To change the world towards their beliefs or die if you don'tMarinejuana wrote:
all those words and you never address my point. i dont see why u think my analysis somehow doesn't apply when talking to Muslims or soldiers. its not like my flawless logic only applies to certain people. and whether or not you are Muslim doesn't change the fact that this thread is full of insensitive people that expect apologies from an oppressed people that deserve nothing more than your mercy. i correctly apply the phrase "Muslim bashing" to educate the public about the much greater double standard u hold against Muslims when u claim that they should "speak out about" some terrorist attacks that pale in comparison to our military occupation (again, i don't care if ur family is muslim, it has no bearing on the facts of the iraq war).DeathBecomesYu wrote:
First, don't try to derail a thread and call it a Muslim bashing thread. That shows your ignorance right there. READ what the OP says. There is a double standard of what moderate Muslims speak out about. I do not bash Muslims because that would be bashing my family. My ex-wife is Muslim and my daughter is Muslim, as well as my step parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles...so forth. So you do not know of what you speak.Marinejuana wrote:
the link you posted was to a radical neo-conservative racist that was angry with the Muslim people AS A WHOLE for their lack of a unifying condemnation for terrorist attacks committed by other Muslims. My posts are actually perfectly on-topic because I show how this radio host's point of view is completely backwards with respect to casualties, both Western and Muslim. I'm sorry that your Muslim bashing thread didn't go as smoothly this time as they normally do . You will have to live with the fact that we are the violent aggressor sooner or later.
You are debating with a man(me) that has a Muslim family and debating with a man(Gunslinger) who was in Iraq and has first hand experience of what is going on there. You, my friend(sarcasm), have what kind of first hand experience?......oh that is right...weblinks. So honestly, when you try to say that this is a Muslim bashing thread...your credibility and intelligence go out the window. You are so blinded with internet "facts" that you barely read what some of us are writing. Good Job!
I am not sure I like that word "Islamophobe". It suggests that I am afraid of Islam. I am not.sergeriver wrote:
True Muslim according to Islamophobes:
A true Muslim is an extremist. They like to blow shit up. They hate the West coz they have a worse standard of living and they blame the West. They use civilians as shields coz they don't give a shit for life. They all are animals. They all are uneducated and ignorant. They all treat women like shit. And remember that every Muslim is a true Muslim.
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If by true you mean extremist, do you agree with the last part of my post, that every Muslim is a true Muslim and what do you think about Chistians?lowing wrote:
I am not sure I like that word "Islamophobe". It suggests that I am afraid of Islam. I am not.sergeriver wrote:
True Muslim according to Islamophobes:
A true Muslim is an extremist. They like to blow shit up. They hate the West coz they have a worse standard of living and they blame the West. They use civilians as shields coz they don't give a shit for life. They all are animals. They all are uneducated and ignorant. They all treat women like shit. And remember that every Muslim is a true Muslim.
By the way, close description. However, a true Muslim, coincidentally, is the same as a true Christian:
Incapable of tolerance for others. Nothing more or less
Serge, they ALL drive me nuts, all of the degrees of their religious practices. NOBODY is more judgemental, more hypocritical, more intolerant, more violent than religious zealots.sergeriver wrote:
If by true you mean extremist, do you agree with the last part of my post, that every Muslim is a true Muslim and what do you think about Chistians?lowing wrote:
I am not sure I like that word "Islamophobe". It suggests that I am afraid of Islam. I am not.sergeriver wrote:
True Muslim according to Islamophobes:
A true Muslim is an extremist. They like to blow shit up. They hate the West coz they have a worse standard of living and they blame the West. They use civilians as shields coz they don't give a shit for life. They all are animals. They all are uneducated and ignorant. They all treat women like shit. And remember that every Muslim is a true Muslim.
By the way, close description. However, a true Muslim, coincidentally, is the same as a true Christian:
Incapable of tolerance for others. Nothing more or less
I think most Chirstians are as moderate as most Muslims are, that's the difference. I don't label a whole group coz of an extremist minority. I don't care about religion, but if you wanna be religious be my guest. If you wanna be an extremist then screw you.lowing wrote:
Serge, they ALL drive me nuts, all of the degrees of their religious practices. NOBODY is more judgemental, more hypocritical, more intolerant, more violent than religious zealots.sergeriver wrote:
If by true you mean extremist, do you agree with the last part of my post, that every Muslim is a true Muslim and what do you think about Chistians?lowing wrote:
I am not sure I like that word "Islamophobe". It suggests that I am afraid of Islam. I am not.
By the way, close description. However, a true Muslim, coincidentally, is the same as a true Christian:
Incapable of tolerance for others. Nothing more or less
lets see, if I am a Christian, I can not tolerate:
People who are not Christian
Homosexuals
People who have sex outta wedlock
Women who have had an abortion
People who drink
People who listen to rock and roll
People who are not white
People who cheat on their spouses
Halloween
The fuckin' Easter Bunny
and of course
SANTA CLAUS!!
now this same group also can not tolerate. people who judge other people..Hmmmmmmmmmm
I would argue then that most Christians are even more hypocritical than the extremists. Although they are nuts ( the extremists) they are serious in their beliefs. Unfortunately they are equally as serious in shoving those beliefs in your face.sergeriver wrote:
I think most Chirstians are as moderate as most Muslims are, that's the difference. I don't label a whole group coz of an extremist minority. I don't care about religion, but if you wanna be religious be my guest. If you wanna be an extremist then screw you.lowing wrote:
Serge, they ALL drive me nuts, all of the degrees of their religious practices. NOBODY is more judgemental, more hypocritical, more intolerant, more violent than religious zealots.sergeriver wrote:
If by true you mean extremist, do you agree with the last part of my post, that every Muslim is a true Muslim and what do you think about Chistians?
lets see, if I am a Christian, I can not tolerate:
People who are not Christian
Homosexuals
People who have sex outta wedlock
Women who have had an abortion
People who drink
People who listen to rock and roll
People who are not white
People who cheat on their spouses
Halloween
The fuckin' Easter Bunny
and of course
SANTA CLAUS!!
now this same group also can not tolerate. people who judge other people..Hmmmmmmmmmm
Those who preach something and then do another different thing are hypocrites, agreed. But there a lot of people who have their beliefs, they live according to them and don't throw them in your face. Those people I respect.lowing wrote:
I would argue then that most Christians are even more hypocritical than the extremists. Although they are nuts ( the extremists) they are serious in their beliefs. Unfortunately they are equally as serious in shoving those beliefs in your face.sergeriver wrote:
I think most Chirstians are as moderate as most Muslims are, that's the difference. I don't label a whole group coz of an extremist minority. I don't care about religion, but if you wanna be religious be my guest. If you wanna be an extremist then screw you.lowing wrote:
Serge, they ALL drive me nuts, all of the degrees of their religious practices. NOBODY is more judgemental, more hypocritical, more intolerant, more violent than religious zealots.
lets see, if I am a Christian, I can not tolerate:
People who are not Christian
Homosexuals
People who have sex outta wedlock
Women who have had an abortion
People who drink
People who listen to rock and roll
People who are not white
People who cheat on their spouses
Halloween
The fuckin' Easter Bunny
and of course
SANTA CLAUS!!
now this same group also can not tolerate. people who judge other people..Hmmmmmmmmmm
So called moderates, use the same bible to preach out of, yet do not practice what they preach, or they pick and chose those things that are in the bible that is convenient for them to believe and chunk the rest as sins that Jesus forgives anyway so no big deal. . Hypocrites
They are still hypocrites, by claiming to be Christian, and piece mealing the bible to suit you, still makes you a hypocrite. Since, by doing so you are not following the bible.sergeriver wrote:
Those who preach something and then do another different thing are hypocrites, agreed. But there a lot of people who have their beliefs, they live according to them and don't throw them in your face. Those people I respect.lowing wrote:
I would argue then that most Christians are even more hypocritical than the extremists. Although they are nuts ( the extremists) they are serious in their beliefs. Unfortunately they are equally as serious in shoving those beliefs in your face.sergeriver wrote:
I think most Chirstians are as moderate as most Muslims are, that's the difference. I don't label a whole group coz of an extremist minority. I don't care about religion, but if you wanna be religious be my guest. If you wanna be an extremist then screw you.
So called moderates, use the same bible to preach out of, yet do not practice what they preach, or they pick and chose those things that are in the bible that is convenient for them to believe and chunk the rest as sins that Jesus forgives anyway so no big deal. . Hypocrites
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To be honest, what muslim nations they do on their own turf is none of our business if it isn't damaging or threatening any external party. Their politics and civilisation has not evolved to the same extent western civilisation has. You can't fast forward the entire globe 500 years just because a small number of countries have left the less savoury practices of yesteryear behind. It's not that long ago that being gay was a crime in a lot of western countries. Black people and women were treated as inferior in many countries until relatively recently also. Roll back another one of two centuries and you had the Spanish Inquisition gouging peoples eyes out and branding people with hot irons.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Another laugher is that you believe Muslim people are oppressed??????????HUH????????? Wow..what world do you live in. Yes there are pockets of the world where Muslims are fighting for something and are the minority. The true oppression in many...NOT ALL...Muslim countries is the oppression of woman, gays and anyone that is not Muslim. 2 men were recently hanged in Iran for what? Because they were gay. Women are killed in "honor" killings, women are stoned for what the west would consider minor offenses. Hundreds of thousands of women are not allowed to drive, to go to school, to even leave their homes without their husbands and you are telling me that the religion is oppressed by us? The Taliban were throwing their brand of justice by wiping out anybody who was educated, teachers, doctors and turned that country back to the dark ages.
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You'd like 5.22, wouldn't you?lowing wrote:
They are still hypocrites, by claiming to be Christian, and piece mealing the bible to suit you, still makes you a hypocrite. Since, by doing so you are not following the bible.sergeriver wrote:
Those who preach something and then do another different thing are hypocrites, agreed. But there a lot of people who have their beliefs, they live according to them and don't throw them in your face. Those people I respect.lowing wrote:
I would argue then that most Christians are even more hypocritical than the extremists. Although they are nuts ( the extremists) they are serious in their beliefs. Unfortunately they are equally as serious in shoving those beliefs in your face.
So called moderates, use the same bible to preach out of, yet do not practice what they preach, or they pick and chose those things that are in the bible that is convenient for them to believe and chunk the rest as sins that Jesus forgives anyway so no big deal. . Hypocrites
Try and convince a modern "Christian" woman of this ( especially MY wife): From the New Testiment:
Ephesians 5
5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
*sigh* yeah, yeah, whatever...Harmor wrote:
I don't think he's advocating that, but the extremist muslims are definitely...I mean how many times had Mackmoodajinadad in Iran suggested wiping Israel from the map?
Alcohol kills brain cells, but only the weak ones.Dimeyard wrote:
Actually brain cells can be replaced, according to new studies.
So.. please continue to smoke whatever you want.
They are not 'ragheads', they were sheets on their heads.wah1188 wrote:
Some people need to open their eyes not all Muslims are AK-47 toting suicide vest wearing ragheads, stop stereotyping and judging people before you even give them a chance to open their mouths.
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usmarine2005 wrote:
If you can show me how many muslims have killed muslims in Iraq, then we can talk.Marinejuana wrote:
If you feel that the three links I posted are not accurate death counts for whatever reason, why don't you post a link to the most accurate death count?
Either way, you know its a fact that many more Muslims have died because of America than Americans have died due to Muslim terror attacks. You can post all you like, but you still haven't advanced your side of the argument at all. Obviously the radio host's point is BS if the Muslims are victims.
Struggle... or something along those lines.Ottomania wrote:
I wonder how many people here knows the true meaning of jihad?