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WINTER SOLDIER INVESTIGATION

"I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.

It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit, the emotions in the room, the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam, but they did. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."



The left always lies and has no respect for our soldiers........

Last edited by Comrade Ogilvy (2007-07-16 17:47:24)

usmarine2005 wrote:

^^ Vietnam was full of drug addicts.

Maybe some of REMF were using heroin...but 99% of combat troops were not...at least in my unit...I was there.

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

^^ Vietnam was full of drug addicts.

Maybe some of REMF were using heroin...but 99% of combat troops were not...at least in my unit...I was there.

My uncle was reitred 101st full bird Colonel, and he told me about tons of drug use.

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

Maybe some of REMF were using heroin...but 99% of combat troops were not...at least in my unit...I was there.

My uncle was reitred 101st full bird Colonel, and he told me about tons of drug use.

Cool...tell him to contact me as I was in the 187 inf  in 69 and 70....we can compare experiences.

Where do you live?  He goes for brunch every other Sunday at Camp Pendleton.



I only know what he tells me, and what you and others tell me.  The truth is somewhere in the middle.

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

Why would an Army officer go brunch every other Sunday at Camp Pendleton...a Marine Base?

Him and my aunt go there all the time.  Name a big Army base between LA and San Diego?  They go the the PX and stuff like that.

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

Why would an Army officer go brunch every other Sunday at Camp Pendleton...a Marine Base?

Him and my aunt go there all the time.  Name a big Army base between LA and San Diego?  They go the the PX and stuff like that.

I suppose...what year was  he in Vietnam and what unit was he with...we might  have served together.

That I do not know.  All I know is he served in Korea, then Nam.  I know he was 101st but that is about it.  I guess I never really talked to him about it.  He was more interested in what I was doing in the Corps when we talked.

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

I suppose...what year was  he in Vietnam and what unit was he with...we might  have served together.

That I do not know.  All I know is he served in Korea, then Nam.  I know he was 101st but that is about it.  I guess I never really talked to him about it.  He was more interested in what I was doing in the Corps when we talked.

Regardless..tell him to contact me at cdmarlowe1[that_squiggly_a]yahoo.com...as I would love to talk to him about Vietnam vets as  baby killers and drug addicts.

Who said baby killers?

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Comrade Ogilvy wrote:

Regardless..tell him to contact me at cdmarlowe1[that_squiggly_a]yahoo.com...as I would love to talk to him about Vietnam vets as  baby killers and drug addicts.

Who said baby killers?

Kerry...and the media...I would like also your  uncles view on that and other Vietnam issues.

I will pass him your email addy.  But be warned, he is far from internet savvy.

RicardoBlanco wrote:

God I really am bored now. I went to Oxford university before you question my levels of intelligence. You try and get in. I'm done with this thread and if you still don't believe what I say why not ask the rest of the world who have reached the same conclusion. I'm sure the war in Iraq will all end swimmingly and all your troops will come home mentally fit with glowing references from the Iraqi population!

Lol, debate and serious talk! Try the Oxford Union for some proper debate.

ZOMG! Oxford! Kudos on attending the most overrated university ever. Just because you attended Oxford makes you no more intelligent than someone who attended a different university, and saying so actually makes you look bigheaded. If you have nothing to contribute to the thread other than the crap your spewing out then don't bother.

Sorry about that people, continue .

imortal wrote:

"I'll tell you the point where I really turned," said Spc. Michael Harmon, 24, a medic from Brooklyn. He served a thirteen-month tour beginning in April 2003 with the 167th Armor Regiment, Fourth Infantry Division, in Al-Rashidiya, a small town near Baghdad. "I go out to the scene and [there was] this little, you know, pudgy little 2-year-old child with the cute little pudgy legs, and I look and she has a bullet through her leg.... An IED [improvised explosive device] went off, the gun-happy soldiers just started shooting anywhere and the baby got hit. And this baby looked at me, wasn't crying, wasn't anything, it just looked at me like--I know she couldn't speak. It might sound crazy, but she was like asking me why. You know, Why do I have a bullet in my leg?... I was just like, This is--this is it. This is ridiculous."

Hey, I KNOW this guy.  Think I do, anyway.  If they got the time and area correct, they got his unit wrong.  There WAS a platoon of tanks from A company, 1-67 Armor at Ar Rashydia in 2003.  I know, it was in my Area of Operations (Task Force Thunder).  However, no medics from 1-67AR were attached to us.  CPL Harmon was a medic with 3-16FA and their Aid Station was at the TF Thunder FOB.  CPL Harmon was a combat medic, as well as having a EIB (Expert Infantry Badge) from when a prior enlistment when he was an Infantryman.  He used to beg his PA to let him go out on patrols.  He would spend his 'spare' time at the front gate to the FOB, waiting for Iraqis to come in that needed treatment, or for patrols to get back.  He was hardcore.  He would NEVER refer to any of his buddies in the way this article makes it sound.  I do not think it was him in this article; there are too many inconsitincies that I KNOW to be incorrect, and the quote sounds completely out of character for the man I knew.

I, for the record, was formally
Edward Summey
SSG, US Army
Operations, 3-16 FA (4ID)

EDIT*** Granted, I finally got out after the stop-loss ended, so he may have changed in the time he was there.  But still...

"I do think there was an error in this story, I am certain it was me in the story, I was a Medic with 3-16 Field Artillery in 2003. I was the Evacuation NCO, under SSG Galvan the Head NCOIC.I remember this instant exactly as it is told in the story, and for SSG Summey, I knew him also, he worked in the TOC and helped me plenty of times calling in Dustoff. I was a medic and former 11B with Expert Infantry Badge, and stood around the front gate, I am wondering why there is a error with this story, names, and facts." CPL P.

usmarine wrote:

I r a stoopid grunt.  Pass me my drool cup.

FatherTed wrote:

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FatherTed wrote:

hoorah kick puppies erryday

Fuck that.
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Especially ones that hate dogs and love cats.