Education doesn't need more funding, it needs new techniques.
15 more years! 15 more years!
Wrong thread?Mitch wrote:
Education doesn't need more funding, it needs new techniques.
But those damn cyclists, ringing their bells.....ghettoperson wrote:
There are other countries IIRC. And you can smoke it anywhere. So far, I have never been killed by anyone whose been driving high or have I ever been mugged or raped or any of the other things that you seem to think are an issue when it's legal.buLLet_t00th wrote:
Its just Holland isnt it? And you can only smoke it in the designated cafes cant you?Bertster7 wrote:
Why would it?
It hasn't in countries where it has been legalised.
They're a menace!
Doesn't phase me none.
If it is ever legalized, some of my friends will have nothing to talk about anymore.
I wont have to drive them to get food at 0230 every time they smoke
And the tax that my stupid pothead friends would throw out (They smoke about 2 oz a week), All the men and women that get their pay off of taxpayer dollars will finally get that raise they deserve. Maybe even a higher wage for military personnel
If it is ever legalized, some of my friends will have nothing to talk about anymore.
I wont have to drive them to get food at 0230 every time they smoke
And the tax that my stupid pothead friends would throw out (They smoke about 2 oz a week), All the men and women that get their pay off of taxpayer dollars will finally get that raise they deserve. Maybe even a higher wage for military personnel
That's a good point actually. I'm not a huge fan of the Dutch. Perhaps having a whole country smoke weed turns them into grumpy assholes! (with the exception of a few friendly Dutch people on this board )Bertster7 wrote:
But those damn cyclists, ringing their bells.....ghettoperson wrote:
There are other countries IIRC. And you can smoke it anywhere. So far, I have never been killed by anyone whose been driving high or have I ever been mugged or raped or any of the other things that you seem to think are an issue when it's legal.buLLet_t00th wrote:
Its just Holland isnt it? And you can only smoke it in the designated cafes cant you?
They're a menace!
I doubt everyone is the right word to use there. I am 32 years old now and when I was in high school I didn't smoke pot but knew alot of people who did. Many of which were on the honor role which took at least a 3.0 on a 4.0 scale. Something I found interesting after I got out of school was the people that got high that you would have never thought did. I have been smoking pot since I was 18 and am now going on my 11th year at my job. It isn't a rocket science job, just a factory production job but marijuana in no way interferes with my job unless I get arrested for possession.CommieChipmunk wrote:
If you need a fucking plant to be happy then be my guest.
Breathing in smoke makes so much sense imho, you know.. people die from smoke inhalation, but in moderation you can't be doing too much damage right?
Too bad everyone who does pot at my school has either dropped out by now, skips all of their classes or has a 2.5 or below GPA. A bunch of our nations brightest if you ask me.
The most dangerous thing about marijuana is that it is illegal. If our government today tried to outlaw something useing the same reasons they used back in the 1930's to outlaw marijuana there would be a revolution. Hell in the 30's they believed every single word the government said. What you wont hear about is the secret meetings congress had with Dupont. Afterall Dupont wanted marijuana/Hemp made illegal since they didn't want it to compete with their brand new synthetic fiber calle Nylon. Hearst paper company wanted marijuana illegal since the paper made of Hemp was stronger and lasted longer than wood pulp paper. Hell popular mechanics magazine called Hemp the new BILLION dollar crop in I think Feb. of 1937. Marijuana was a slang mexican term for what most farmers in America knew as Hemp. For all the farmers cared they could outlaw this dangerous new drug called marijuana, since it didn't affect them in any way.
All you people that are so worried about the enviroment should take a long hard look at the benifits of marijuana as a biofuel since you will find no better one. You should look at all the different types of enviroments it can be grown in and all the different uses that it can be used for and all the different products it could replace without polluting the enviroment with dangerous chemicals.
No, he said we could have more money for education or healthcare. If there was tax on weed, well, education doesnt need more funding, it needs new techniques of teaching.ghettoperson wrote:
Wrong thread?Mitch wrote:
Education doesn't need more funding, it needs new techniques.
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15 more years! 15 more years!
When did I say rape or mugging? Do you even read previous posts?ghettoperson wrote:
There are other countries IIRC. And you can smoke it anywhere. So far, I have never been killed by anyone whose been driving high or have I ever been mugged or raped or any of the other things that you seem to think are an issue when it's legal.buLLet_t00th wrote:
Its just Holland isnt it? And you can only smoke it in the designated cafes cant you?Bertster7 wrote:
Why would it?
It hasn't in countries where it has been legalised.
If weed was legalised in the UK the place would come to a standstill, benefits would be blown completely and it would get completely out of hand. Holland and the UK are completely different in mind set, there are reasons why it isn't already legal here and I hope it stays that way.
We're always going to have different opinions, thats why its the debate section!
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Cocaine has a larger profit margin, let's sell that.
marijuana is the COOLEST
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 29_pf.htmlBertster7 wrote:
And as far as the smoke inhalation thing goes, big, big studies commissioned by the US government have shown there is no link between lung cancer and smoking weed. In fact there is a negative correlation compared to smokers who exclusively smoke tobacco, which is due to the anti-tumour effect cannabis has exhibited in many tests.
@CommieChipmunk : hit the nail on the head.
Has anyone here going against marijuana looked into why it became illegal in the first place after over 12,ooo years of existance?
Publicly, Racism. "Marijuana makes the darkies think they're as good as white men." - Harry J. Anslinger
Privately, it was too resourceful.
An article entitled "New Billion-Dollar Crop" in the February 1938 issue of Popular Mechanics stated that the hemp plant could produce "more than 5,000 textile products, ranging from rope to fine laces" and that the left over woody "hurds" ccould be used to procude "more than 25,000 products, ranging from dynamite to Cellophane." (Popular Mechanics.)
You may be thinking to yourself, that's great, but hemp isn't a machine so why is it in Popular Mechanics? A machine was designed that, when used with hemp, probably would've created the next industrial revolution. This machine was called the Decorticator and was designed by George Schlichten in 1917. The availability of Hemp Decorticators was just starting to spread in the late 1920's. What it did was strip the "long hemp fibers from the pulpy celluloid (hurds) center of the hemp stalks" which greatly reduced the time and man-power needed to process hemp plants. (Robert Deitch, Hemp - American History Revisited.) To the hemp world, this was the Cotton Gin.
One of the most common uses of hemp was paper. The first Bibles, maps, charts, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made with hemp paper. In the same Popular Mechanics article, they stated that "government figures estimate that 10,000 acres devoted to hemp will produce as much paper as 40,000 acres of average pulp land." (Popular Mechanics.)
Sources:
"New Billion-Dollar Crop." Popular Mechanics. <http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/New_Billion_Dollar_Crop_1938.html>
Robert Deitch, Hemp - American History Revisited
marijuana isnt bad mmmmk? it doesnt cause cancer like cigarettes. its a natural herb.
it slows alzheimers, it can combat some lung tumors. etc.
the only reason it isnt taxed is the plants in my uncles backyard. im pretty sure they arent tobacco plants cuz theyre a bitch to grow. and the still on my old property was working as good as it used to, so alcohol has to be bought. sooo... i guess weed is the only thing they cant tax. -.- therefore = illegal.
and no, marijuana doesnt cause memory loss. the only reason u dont fucking remember shit is cause ur in a different state of consciensness.
it slows alzheimers, it can combat some lung tumors. etc.
the only reason it isnt taxed is the plants in my uncles backyard. im pretty sure they arent tobacco plants cuz theyre a bitch to grow. and the still on my old property was working as good as it used to, so alcohol has to be bought. sooo... i guess weed is the only thing they cant tax. -.- therefore = illegal.
and no, marijuana doesnt cause memory loss. the only reason u dont fucking remember shit is cause ur in a different state of consciensness.
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My point is you think all these terrible things are going to happen because of it. They aren't. Holland and the UK are not that different in mind set, other than that their government does not impose ridiculous legislation upon them. The majority of people I know in the UK (most of whom don't smoke weed) think that Holland has generally a much better way of dealing with social 'issues' such as drugs. You've probably never even been to Holland...buLLet_t00th wrote:
When did I say rape or mugging? Do you even read previous posts?ghettoperson wrote:
There are other countries IIRC. And you can smoke it anywhere. So far, I have never been killed by anyone whose been driving high or have I ever been mugged or raped or any of the other things that you seem to think are an issue when it's legal.buLLet_t00th wrote:
Its just Holland isnt it? And you can only smoke it in the designated cafes cant you?
If weed was legalised in the UK the place would come to a standstill, benefits would be blown completely and it would get completely out of hand. Holland and the UK are completely different in mind set, there are reasons why it isn't already legal here and I hope it stays that way.
We're always going to have different opinions, thats why its the debate section!
Clearly they are in the same catagory...all those stoners robbing houses to buy a lid...DesertFox- wrote:
Cocaine has a larger profit margin, let's sell that.
Marijuana causes lazy people to be lazy. Oh my god, what a thought!
If you aren't a lazy person, most likely smoking pot is not going to make you lazy. I smoked pot in high school (among other things) and that wasn't a good thing. I wasn't mature/responsible enough. I went to a great university, smoked pot all through college, and received great grades. I'm naturally a high-strung person, and I smoke to medicate myself. I probably could take some type of anti-anxiety drug, but then I wouldn't be able to drink as much
But Hemp is legal. Whats your point?citricacidx wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 29_pf.htmlBertster7 wrote:
And as far as the smoke inhalation thing goes, big, big studies commissioned by the US government have shown there is no link between lung cancer and smoking weed. In fact there is a negative correlation compared to smokers who exclusively smoke tobacco, which is due to the anti-tumour effect cannabis has exhibited in many tests.
@CommieChipmunk : hit the nail on the head.
Has anyone here going against marijuana looked into why it became illegal in the first place after over 12,ooo years of existance?
Publicly, Racism. "Marijuana makes the darkies think they're as good as white men." - Harry J. Anslinger
Privately, it was too resourceful.
An article entitled "New Billion-Dollar Crop" in the February 1938 issue of Popular Mechanics stated that the hemp plant could produce "more than 5,000 textile products, ranging from rope to fine laces" and that the left over woody "hurds" ccould be used to procude "more than 25,000 products, ranging from dynamite to Cellophane." (Popular Mechanics.)
You may be thinking to yourself, that's great, but hemp isn't a machine so why is it in Popular Mechanics? A machine was designed that, when used with hemp, probably would've created the next industrial revolution. This machine was called the Decorticator and was designed by George Schlichten in 1917. The availability of Hemp Decorticators was just starting to spread in the late 1920's. What it did was strip the "long hemp fibers from the pulpy celluloid (hurds) center of the hemp stalks" which greatly reduced the time and man-power needed to process hemp plants. (Robert Deitch, Hemp - American History Revisited.) To the hemp world, this was the Cotton Gin.
One of the most common uses of hemp was paper. The first Bibles, maps, charts, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made with hemp paper. In the same Popular Mechanics article, they stated that "government figures estimate that 10,000 acres devoted to hemp will produce as much paper as 40,000 acres of average pulp land." (Popular Mechanics.)
Sources:
"New Billion-Dollar Crop." Popular Mechanics. <http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/New_Billion_Dollar_Crop_1938.html>
Robert Deitch, Hemp - American History Revisited
this is why exactly?Marinejuana wrote:
marijuana is the COOLEST
Its the exact same as cigarettes in my opinion.
Its still smoke, it still gets in your lungs, its still addictive. It makes you boring, lazy, and a douchebag (personal experience)
its not fucking addictive!stryyker wrote:
this is why exactly?Marinejuana wrote:
marijuana is the COOLEST
Its the exact same as cigarettes in my opinion.
Its still smoke, it still gets in your lungs, its still addictive. It makes you boring, lazy, and a douchebag (personal experience)
lmfao.
are u serious stryyker?
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Space cake and super brownies do nothing to your lungs.stryyker wrote:
this is why exactly?Marinejuana wrote:
marijuana is the COOLEST
Its the exact same as cigarettes in my opinion.
Its still smoke, it still gets in your lungs, its still addictive. It makes you boring, lazy, and a douchebag (personal experience)
It should be legal. But will never be as Im sure (Im not reading this whole thread.) it can't be properly regulated. The day its made legal there will be millions of seeds being put in the ground by millions of people. Yep thats right. Millions of people smoke pot. All douchebags Im sure.
It CAN be psychologically addictive. There is no evidence of a physical addiction.Des.Kmal wrote:
its not fucking addictive!stryyker wrote:
this is why exactly?Marinejuana wrote:
marijuana is the COOLEST
Its the exact same as cigarettes in my opinion.
Its still smoke, it still gets in your lungs, its still addictive. It makes you boring, lazy, and a douchebag (personal experience)
lmfao.
are u serious stryyker?
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k a chick from my school just got busted because she took a bag to France because she couldn't go without it for the 2 weeks she was guna be there for a trip. The cops caught her.. she's now fucked.Des.Kmal wrote:
its not fucking addictive!stryyker wrote:
this is why exactly?Marinejuana wrote:
marijuana is the COOLEST
Its the exact same as cigarettes in my opinion.
Its still smoke, it still gets in your lungs, its still addictive. It makes you boring, lazy, and a douchebag (personal experience)
lmfao.
are u serious stryyker?
Not addictive? Fine -- it just makes you do really fucking stupid shit.
tbpmfh... most of the pot heads I know are douche bags...Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Space cake and super brownies do nothing to your lungs.stryyker wrote:
this is why exactly?Marinejuana wrote:
marijuana is the COOLEST
Its the exact same as cigarettes in my opinion.
Its still smoke, it still gets in your lungs, its still addictive. It makes you boring, lazy, and a douchebag (personal experience)
It should be legal. But will never be as Im sure (Im not reading this whole thread.) it can't be properly regulated. The day its made legal there will be millions of seeds being put in the ground by millions of people. Yep thats right. Millions of people smoke pot. All douchebags Im sure.
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How do you know what I say wouldn't happen? From where I see it there's the same amount of chance of both options occuring. I just believe that one will happen, you belive the other will.ghettoperson wrote:
My point is you think all these terrible things are going to happen because of it. They aren't. Holland and the UK are not that different in mind set, other than that their government does not impose ridiculous legislation upon them. The majority of people I know in the UK (most of whom don't smoke weed) think that Holland has generally a much better way of dealing with social 'issues' such as drugs. You've probably never even been to Holland...buLLet_t00th wrote:
When did I say rape or mugging? Do you even read previous posts?ghettoperson wrote:
There are other countries IIRC. And you can smoke it anywhere. So far, I have never been killed by anyone whose been driving high or have I ever been mugged or raped or any of the other things that you seem to think are an issue when it's legal.
If weed was legalised in the UK the place would come to a standstill, benefits would be blown completely and it would get completely out of hand. Holland and the UK are completely different in mind set, there are reasons why it isn't already legal here and I hope it stays that way.
We're always going to have different opinions, thats why its the debate section!
You contradict yourself. First you say the UK and Holland are not that different.....then you say Holland has generally a much better way of dealing with social 'issues' such as drugs. I think thats a difference. And that part is pretty much EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!
hey im a douche bag also.......but no, we wont see it happen in our lives.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Space cake and super brownies do nothing to your lungs.stryyker wrote:
this is why exactly?Marinejuana wrote:
marijuana is the COOLEST
Its the exact same as cigarettes in my opinion.
Its still smoke, it still gets in your lungs, its still addictive. It makes you boring, lazy, and a douchebag (personal experience)
It should be legal. But will never be as Im sure (Im not reading this whole thread.) it can't be properly regulated. The day its made legal there will be millions of seeds being put in the ground by millions of people. Yep thats right. Millions of people smoke pot. All douchebags Im sure.
Yep. Long term smokers who are cut off are pissy for two days then fine. But so many people in these forums know dick about it. Only what Reagan told them.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
It CAN be pyschologically addictive. There is no evidence of a physical addiction.Des.Kmal wrote:
its not fucking addictive!stryyker wrote:
this is why exactly?
Its the exact same as cigarettes in my opinion.
Its still smoke, it still gets in your lungs, its still addictive. It makes you boring, lazy, and a douchebag (personal experience)
lmfao.
are u serious stryyker?
Hemp is not legal every. But I'm saying that marijuana should be relegalized all around. It has medical, industrial, and recreational benefits.buLLet_t00th wrote:
But Hemp is legal. Whats your point?
This is an estimated, logical explanation of what could happen if Marijuana was legalized in the United States.
If marijuana were completely legalized, meaning the use of the hemp plant for industrial use as well as the use of the plant for recreational and medicinal purposes, this is what I estimate what would happen.
If marijuana was legalized, the government would place a Sin Tax on it, much like those in place for alcohol and tobacco. Less tax money would be spent in the prison systems on people who were arrested for personal use. The combination of money coming in from the Sin Tax, as well as the money not being spent incarcerating people who were arrested for small amounts could be put to better use, such as public education, health care, and a number of other causes that are being shadowed by the failed War on Drugs.
If legalized, it would be treated similar to that of alcohol and tobacco where a legal age is set. It could be purchased in pre-rolled joints and blunts at gas stations with identification proving your age. Also, you would be able to buy "raw" marijuana with the intent of rolling your own joints or blunts as well as for use in cooking, but up to a certain legal limit. Also, it could be possible to grow a certain number of plants for personal use. Much in the way the people can have a vegetable garden, marijuana aficionados would be able to grow their own plants for their own use and experience some of the vast varieties that they may not come across in their local market.
I believe that, yes, more people would start smoking marijuana. But these people are mainly the ones who were holding back only because of the legal status it carried, those who didn't want to break the law but were curious about marijuana. People who have been smoking it would be able to smoke without fear of fines and punishment as long as it is done responsibly.
Laws would have to be setup, much like there are laws for alcohol and tobacco. A law would be enacted so that people under a certain age would not be able to purchase it, and if found with it or high would be charged with Underaged Possession/Intoxication and appropriately fined.
With more people using marijuana, more people will experience apetite stimulation. In turn, the food industry would start to make more money from people experiencing this affect of marijuana.
It is very likely that the major tobacco companies have factories that could easily be converted to grow marijuana plants, so where actual cigarette sales would probably experience a slight decline, the tobacco companies would be ready to compensate by making their own marijuana products available for consumers.
All of that just from the recreational use of marijuana. Now how about the industrial uses of the plant.
The timber industry would start to feel a decline due to the revitalization of hemp paper. It takes years to grow trees to their full potential for making paper. It takes roughly 120 days for a marijuana plant to be ready for cultivation, and an acre of marijuana plants can produce the equivalent of 4 acres of trees. The steel industry would also feel a decline because the oils extracted from marijuana plants can be cheaply processed into a plastic that is lighter than steel and 10 times stronger. The cotton industry would also be threatened because of the durability of hemp finders. Marijuana could be just as cheap as cotton to harvest with the completion of a machine that is the equivalent of the Cotton Gin. The oil indusry would also be at risk because oils can be processed into a biodiesel fuel that is more efficient and cleaner burning than the current fossil fuels.
The main thing keeping this from happening are those industries listed above. They spend good money every year to make sure that anti-marijuana legislation stays the way it is. If they took the money the would spend over the course of a few years, and put it towards converting some factories and processes, and embracing the usefulness of the hemp plant, they too could profit from its legalization.
well, that chick was stupid to begin with man.CommieChipmunk wrote:
k a chick from my school just got busted because she took a bag to France because she couldn't go without it for the 2 weeks she was guna be there for a trip. The cops caught her.. she's now fucked.Des.Kmal wrote:
its not fucking addictive!stryyker wrote:
this is why exactly?
Its the exact same as cigarettes in my opinion.
Its still smoke, it still gets in your lungs, its still addictive. It makes you boring, lazy, and a douchebag (personal experience)
lmfao.
are u serious stryyker?
Not addictive? Fine -- it just makes you do really fucking stupid shit.tbpmfh... most of the pot heads I know are douche bags...Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Space cake and super brownies do nothing to your lungs.stryyker wrote:
this is why exactly?
Its the exact same as cigarettes in my opinion.
Its still smoke, it still gets in your lungs, its still addictive. It makes you boring, lazy, and a douchebag (personal experience)
It should be legal. But will never be as Im sure (Im not reading this whole thread.) it can't be properly regulated. The day its made legal there will be millions of seeds being put in the ground by millions of people. Yep thats right. Millions of people smoke pot. All douchebags Im sure.
there is a reason people run dope on the ground....and there is a reason people dont bring dope on INTERNATIONAL flights.
and if you have to bring something, hash is MUCH easier to conceal.....even from reject TSA's.
edit: dont know why it quoted mason and stryker but i cant get it to go away.
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