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They need to rename it Bushnews.

what do they call the other networks ? USASUX NETWORK NEWS ?

Last edited by Hunter/Jumper (2007-06-16 08:35:36)

No, your fantasy world where everything is explained with pretty pictures so you can understand hasn't happened yet.  Sorry.

usmarine2005 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Lets hope the feature goes better than the inaugural flight

Name the city.  Pretty much every inaugural cities were late.  Some of it had to do with the press and the firetrucks, but mainly it was to much rushing around.

I did like the feature though.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=0 … 19&fg=

Nice, you should have appeared on camera

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2007-06-16 11:08:46)

usmarine2005 wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Name the city.  Pretty much every inaugural cities were late.  Some of it had to do with the press and the firetrucks, but mainly it was to much rushing around.

I did like the feature though.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=0 … 19&fg=

Nice, you should have appeared on camera

Ha!

I do not have that many fears, but the camera is one of them.

That explains the pic of you in the HoF thread.

Could all this hate for Fox News be jealousy?  I mean, Fox News beats every other news outlet on ratings, at least in the United States.  Bill O'Reilly's show, for example, has more than double the ratings than all other news outlets combined in his time slot.

I guess the only way they'll be able to compete is if the Democrats get the 'Fairness Doctrine' passed in congress.

Harmor wrote:

Could all this hate for Fox News be jealousy?  I mean, Fox News beats every other news outlet on ratings, at least in the United States.  Bill O'Reilly's show, for example, has more than double the ratings than all other news outlets combined in his time slot.

I guess the only way they'll be able to compete is if the Democrats get the 'Fairness Doctrine' passed in congress.

If all else fails use the jealousy card! It's a sure winner every time!

m3thod wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Could all this hate for Fox News be jealousy?  I mean, Fox News beats every other news outlet on ratings, at least in the United States.  Bill O'Reilly's show, for example, has more than double the ratings than all other news outlets combined in his time slot.

I guess the only way they'll be able to compete is if the Democrats get the 'Fairness Doctrine' passed in congress.

Sad to say, you are correct.  They can't beat him, so they just bash a way.  Air America anyone?

Sheep

Glad to see you come around.

You're confusing liberal bias in the media with big government bias.  Most mainstream media supports bigger government -- whether it's gun control, the war on drugs, or just war in general.

The media was very complicit in following this administration's war agenda with Iraq, until the aftermath became a quagmire.  The only reason the media looks very unfavorably on Bush's handling of nation-building Iraq is because he's done such a shitty job of it.

The media will report on whatever gets ratings, so since death and destruction in Iraq gets them, they will continue to show the bad side of this operation.  It's not a liberal agenda, it's a profit agenda.

By the same token, patriotism in the buildup to a war also gets ratings, which is why they initially supported the war.  Scaring the shit out of people with propaganda works like a charm in terms of viewership and ad sales.

So, please, stop with this "vast left-wing conspiracy" in your view of the media.  It's just as ridiculous as the "911 truth" movement.

Turquoise wrote:

You're confusing liberal bias in the media with big government bias. .

Actually I am not, if you took the time to read the post. I gave three clear examples. There are many more.

Turquoise wrote:

Most mainstream media supports bigger government -- whether it's gun control, the war on drugs, or just war in general..

out of a sense of ( blood lust ? ) I will Passover the fact that  these two observations are in fact contradictions of and Viod, your entire argument.

Liberal Left is always  BIG GOVERNMENT an the Conservative voter base is not this alone would undue / annihilate your entire argument .

Please be patient as I don’t employ a staff and can only recount them from memory as best as I can

1. Reagan’s New Tax plan is refereed to with laughter as " Reaganomics " on all the Networks, when its effects start to kick in with fantastic results, its only referred to as " the recovery "

2. In 1992 when G.H. Bush ( a bonafied War Hero, Veteran, The Youngest Navy Aviator ) Faced a
Draft dodger bill clinton who had even written his elected officials a letter stating that "he loathed the military"
The media tells the electorate " People don't care about that and don't want to know about the candidates past "  and "Character doesn't matter "

3. In 1996 when  a bonafied War Hero Bob Dole ( a disabled American veteran, Wounded in action )
Faced a Draft dodger bill clinton who had even written his elected officials saying “ he loathed the military and didn’t want to serve. “

4. In 2000 when a Vietnam era vet who never saw combat Faced a Vietnam era vet who saw combat limited combat   This was suddenly of the Utmost  importance. John kerry's Combat experience!

5. We never saw  Tapes of John kerry on the Dick Cavet Show calling his "Band of Brothers " War Criminals, Why ?. They were out there to see, Did you see kerry calling veterans murderers on the Dick Cavet show ? If not, why?

6. in 1992  Ross Perot bleeds conservative votes from G H Bush allowing bill clinton to get in without a majority vote. A rarity. In US Presidential elections Its hailed as a landslide, it wasn't.

7. It was never mentioned his ( Perote’s) candidacy would have this effect on the air. Nor is the candidate for the Liberal party Ron Brown ever mentioned because he would cost clinton liberal votes if his candidacy is validated by the media.

8. and 1996 Ross Perot bleeds conservative votes from Bob Dole . It is never mentioned The phrase republicans are mean spirited is coin and repeated 3678 times on news programs in one week alone
( marching in lockstep are we ? )

9. In 2000 Bush wins by a narrow majority and it is trumpeted as a scandel for 6 years ( see 6. )

10. In 2000 and 2004 when Ralph Nader runs ( all the major networks ) carefully walk the electorate through the fact that " any vote for Nader is a vote for bush "

11. In 1994 election when Republicans sweep the house and senate in the first time in 40 plus years,

12.  Newsman are stoic professionals the 1994 republican sweep of the house and senate, No cheering. The day after they conclude and state "American electorate is schizophrenic and does not know what they want."

No, No bias at all How dare you vote WRONG

13. in 1992 and 96 they cheer as states come in for Clinton .No cheers for Bush either. in 2000 or 04
Why ?  ( thirteen aint your lucky number )

14. Before the 2006 election The media kept a steady count of American Casualties with emphasis on " casualties after G.W.Bush's mission accomplished speech on the Aircraft Carrier "  In reality the cessation of major hostilities.

Ps the Aircraft Carrier left I guess its mission was accomplished. Why the fixation on the date ?

15. The 2000 and 2004 vote were closely scrutinized and hints of scandal were taken very seriously. After the democrats eeked out a majority in some very close elections that the media saw no need to question The count.  The count is "no longer news really "

16. In the 2006 elections in the last 6 days of campaigning Many networks advertise they will be showing important new war footage. Its the old " Juba The sniper Video " that was on the Internet for almost a year but they showed it Right before the election Repeatedly.
bloodshed is good ratings and  sells right ?
After the election they didn't show casualties at all. feel free to explain why they aired that old video tape ( Enemy propaganda at its best ) right before the election

17. Oddly enough I never here of even one terrorist dying, they have non casualties at all? That’s not gory enough perhaps ?

18. we never hear about our heros..why? Is our fighting men behaving with Valor Anti-Big Government in your opinion ??

19. Was not democrat Barney Frank caught in an identical Paige scandal That republican Mark Foley was?   

20. If Barney Frank Molests his Paige’s that's okay, Foley is run out of office for same offense. Why ?
These men though young were past the age of consent.

21.  After pushing Gays for so long democrats run them off when they come out of the closet ? Without protest from the left ?

22. Katie Curic  interviews a Hero Lady Cop in a hospital bed after is wounded in a gunfight with 3 would be bank robbers Who she smartly dispatched with fine pistol work.

23. Katie, Gushing : !" well you must be happy that the Brady bill passed "
hero lady cop : " No that just impedes honest people by making it harder to protect themselves, it wont impede criminals who don't follow laws and never get their guns legally anyway "

Interview instantly ends, cut to bryant gumball who was not expecting to be put on the air so soon and was obviously unprepared, he just stared slack jawed. She got no further mention,

And The Hero Lady Cop ? Well, she betrayed them. Fuk her !

24. after several weeks on end of European tourist being assaulted and robbed at Florida airports ( on their way to Disney World) NBC news sent down a reporter.

Katie Curic asks : "why are they targeting only tourist now ?"
Local DA answers : " well in a fit of frustration in its inability to fight crime, Florida just greatly relaxed its concealed
carry gun laws making it much easier for honest citizens to protect themselves, Our  crime rate really dropped of and these dirt bags know the only people they can approach safely are people who just passed through a metal detector, "laughs" "

The interview abruptly ends.   The success of  Florida's greatly relaxed concealed carry gun laws making it much easier for honest citizens to protect themselves and instantly and drastically reducing crime? Well, that's just not news is it. Not News we should hear anyway. Its not in our interests to know the truth ?

25. Phil Donahue asks a women how she saved herself from a disgruntle employee on a killing spree.

She answers "My friend said " get the gun in your purse "he heard that and spun and bolted down the hall, I always carry a gun, once A guy tried to rape me." A roaring Cheer goes up from the audience.

Phil (very angry) yells "that's another show " repeatedly till cries `die down. Obviously not what he was looking to promote. not the agenda.

26. Hollywood, ( knowing the masses often like to coach or admonish their heroes at the movies ) rewrites the history of  " The Fort William Henry Massacre "

No longer did French let Indians butcher babies with tomahawks inside the fort after the French asked the militia to turn in their arms which they foolishly did.

In Hollywood, it was a fair fight in open ground were the British just didn't think to fix bayonets, after all, the Indians were yelling loudly and making scary noises !.
The Truth would

27. Actor Skeet Urlrich is told no more NRA adds or No more work.


Feel free to address any or all of the above.

As a matter of interest, Which of the 27 points listed above constitutes a “ support for Big Government “
in your opinion ?

Turquoise wrote:

The media was very complicit in following this administration's war agenda with Iraq,

It was called patriotism. We were attacked, we knew it, we felt it, we saw it, we all lost people, we were pissed  ! After 8 years of attacks unanswered we saw what the cumulative results would be and we wanted action. Even people who hated their country were forced to pretend they didn’t. At the time blatant treason would have been driven down hard.

Turquoise wrote:

until the aftermath became a quagmire. .

Your opinion The fact that you are part of a rather large heard here is of no effect on Your statements lack of veracity.

Show us you system of assessment if you will. The Word Quagmire though trendy in is very subjective in this case.

Was post WWII Europe a quagmire ( using your Recycled Vietnam protest speak )
Be sure to say at least once “We had to destroy the City to Save it “
or “The fire came from nowhere and everywhere ! “

Was the Berlin Airlift a Quagmire? Was Korea a Quagmire ?
Was the War with the U-boats a Quagmire. Don’t make me laugh.
The War Is over. This is a police action now. The insurgents can do nothing of tactical or strategic value.
The fact that they are murdering their own people means nothing to them. The fact that they have resorted to Suicide bombers means nothing to you. Their only goal is to get on the Evening News in the USA. Even when they protest their Banners and signs are written in English. They seem to get it if you don’t. The only hope they have is to make us lose interest in securing the Region.
Using the “ Its not worth the cost in American lives “ line of crap. Why was Freeing Europe Jews worth it to us? Because they were White and these people are darker ? Please tell me Why Arabs are not worth our efforts.

Turquoise wrote:

The only reason the media looks very unfavorably on Bush's handling of nation-building Iraq is because he's done such a shitty job of it..

just biased your opinion.

It took a lot longer’ many more lives’ and 10 to the nth in more dollars to tear down the USSR.
We did it quicker than we rebuilt Japan or Germany. A hell of a lot faster than we created our own Government. Please tell me your own personal benchmark for Nation Building. 

Turquoise wrote:

The media will report on whatever gets ratings, .

They want ratings but this was Proven False. They will bend to an agenda.

Turquoise wrote:

so since death and destruction in Iraq gets them,.

They want ratings but this was Proven False. They will bend to an agenda.
Why no Insurgent deaths? Why do I have to download Our snipers at work of the Internet.
Why do I have to read about Some Chick Wiping out an Insurgent ambush Singly handedly in Soldier of Fortune Magazine. “ She destroyed their Vehicles 1st  because even though her 3 man 2 women unit was out numbered 80 to 5 “ She didn’t want them to get Away “ Nah ! people wouldn’t want to hear her story.

Turquoise wrote:

they will continue to show the bad side of this operation.  .

Why not show both sides. More blood  To boot !

Turquoise wrote:

It's not a liberal agenda, it's a profit agenda..

Prove it, Show me were I had it wrong 1 thru 27

Turquoise wrote:

By the same token, patriotism in the buildup to a war also gets ratings,.

Obviously

Turquoise wrote:

which is why they initially supported the war. .

then Patriotism suddnly didnt get ratings anymore? explian why.

Turquoise wrote:

Scaring the shit out of people with propaganda works like a charm in terms of viewership and ad sales..

Speak for yourself hear. We weren’t scared ” NYC Stirred not Shaken “
The next Terrorist that stands up on a plane with a box cutter will have it Run across his Sack.
That was a Sucker punch. It will never work again. We know it if you don't

Before 911 Hillary and her Liberal Friends were Trying to close Vieques Naval Bombing range . Because “ Why do these War mongers insist on practice for War and Defending the Country, What a dated Cold War Era Point of View “

Um by the way.. What happened to that story. It would really show who had their heads so far up their ass they couldn’t see day light. Lets just burry that little tid bit huh ?

No Bias at all. that’s Anti-Big Government ?

Turquoise wrote:

So, please, stop with this "vast left-wing conspiracy" in your view of the media.

They day you tell me what to do will not arrive. I will wait instead for your careful refute of my statements  facts and observations with the same.

Turquoise wrote:

It's just as ridiculous as the "911 truth" movement.

This borders on insult. I will not respond to feeble attempts at posturing.
If its ridiculous, you should easily be able to point it out. I won’t be holding my breath.

Last edited by Hunter/Jumper (2007-06-24 08:10:26)

Turquoise wrote:

You're right, Hunter.  The media is liberally biased, which is why the majority of the media declared Bush as the winner of the 2000 election before the votes were even counted

Yes, it was glaringly apparent, Thanks !
Actually it was al gore who made the phone call conceding the election to George W. Bush.

later out of party loyalty ? he agreed to try and invalidate the election results to discredited the administration. Bush of course won again in 2004, so much for that tactic.

And what of Number 15. When Democrats took the House and senate By one or two seats both won in districts with very narrow margins ? No rebuttal ?
   
 

Turquoise wrote:

(and later found that Gore actually won the popular vote).    .

Until absentee ballots and the Military vote was Counted  ( against al gore’s expressed wishes. Why wouldn’t he want the votes counted of the people who are sacrificing in service of their Country ? )
Then Bush won again So they Recounted when even more votes came in and he won by an even larger margin

Turquoise wrote:

I can see you've looked up a shitload of instances that you see as bias,

Yes I even numbered them for you for Ease of Reference. Just what do you see the “ Shitload of instances “ as if not Bias ?

Turquoise wrote:

most of which were the same ones you brought up on another occasion.

So what is your point, a fact can only be stated once ?
George Washington Was the first President of the United States ! No matter how many times people Say, its still true. Lol Your argument is becoming a bit abstract.

Turquoise wrote:

One thing is clear though...  You call it patriotism when the media serves a conservative agenda, but it's bias whenever it leans left.

No, I call it patriotism when you back and support your Country particularly in time of WAR. Keep intelligence Coups and military secrets  a secret.  In time of WAR, when you undermine, slander your country and spout the enemies propaganda

( for any Reason ) I call it Treason.

Turquoise wrote:

You've already defined the media for yourself in terms that only allow you to see liberal bias.  Therefore, I can't argue with you on this topic.

No actually You did ! I will quote you. See below !

Turquoise wrote:

You're confusing liberal bias in the media with big government bias. Most mainstream media supports bigger government -- whether it's gun control, the war on drugs, or just war in general..

Please show me the “ Main stream Media “ that supports the War: Sans FOX?
Please show me the Liberal against gun control or for Defense Spending EVER.

H/J wrote:

Liberal Left is always  BIG GOVERNMENT an the Conservative voter base is not

Turquoise wrote:

I can already see that there's nothing I can say to convince you otherwise on this, so I'm not going to bother.

Translated.   “ I have no rebuttal to offer you ! ”

Turquoise wrote:

You go on believing that the media is liberal, and I'll continue to see it as a business -- nothing more, nothing less.   Again, money is what motivates the media -- not any coherent political agenda.

You could prove it or better yet explain away one or two of the 27 different examples I listed and Numbered for you. that would be called Debate, Counter point, Rebuttal etc.

Turquoise wrote:

As a final note, both the Democrats and the Republicans have a big government agenda, so stop pretending it's only a left-wing thing.

I am Not pretending. I stand by my original Statement. Liberal Left is always  BIG GOVERNMENT an the Conservative voter base is not

Turquoise wrote:

Bush has already disproven that.

Bush is Fighting a War that started  14 years ago. Seven Years before he took office in fact. The Roots of this War go back Further still.
WAR, That does take big Government. It was not the Platform he ran on nor is it were his Voter base is.

A recap

Turquoise wrote:

You're confusing liberal bias in the media with big government bias. .
Most mainstream media supports bigger government -- whether it's gun control, the war on drugs, or just war in general..

confusing liberals with big government is easy to do, they are one in the same.

Last edited by Hunter/Jumper (2007-06-24 15:45:47)

All news stations can be accused of leaning to one side or another in some respect. FOX is obviously one of the right wing stations but my main beef with FOX news is...

1. Use of emotive music and dramatic editing in news stories (some stuff I've seen on FOX wouldn't look out of place in a cinema, SKY News have started doing this, the first British news station to do so I believe).
2. I've seen them make statements like "many people have said..." or "sources suggest..." without specifying the exact sources, how is someone supposed to know if the statement is in any way credible if they do not give sources or references?
3. They seem to pick a lot of stories that don't seem to be truly news worthy imo. I remember one story about the dangerous new 'craze' of terrorists targeting laser pens into plane cockpits as they were taking off from airports!
4. The news presenters seem to give their own opinions a lot, you don't see this on Irish or British news (outside of debate shows obviously).
5. They often seem to have debates where one side outnumbers another or one side has a pathetic loser arguing its case.
6. The way in which they feel the need to tell us that they are 'fair and balanced' and free from spin etc. It comes across as an ironic admission of guilt.

...oh, and they actually let Chuck Norris fill in for them!?

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 0#p1327990

Nice parrot post from before H/J

I'm sure those just came off the top of your head though too, right?

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-06-24 18:44:53)