Why is it called a Nimitz?
That's not a very American name.
That's not a very American name.
Bubbalo, nobody cares. Give it a rest.Bubbalo wrote:
Show me an example of two carrier groups attempting to.usmarine2005 wrote:
Show me an example of someone destroying a modern carrier group?
Seriously, you say things like that, then attempt to seriously defend them, and then you wonder why some people consider you a nutjob?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Nimitzjord wrote:
Why is it called a Nimitz?
That's not a very American name.
Nutjob.usmarine2005 wrote:
Blah blah blah....... USA BAD evil sucks blah blah blah.Bubbalo wrote:
Show me an example of two carrier groups attempting to.usmarine2005 wrote:
Show me an example of someone destroying a modern carrier group?
Seriously, you say things like that, then attempt to seriously defend them, and then you wonder why some people consider you a nutjob?
Oh right thanks, I thought of might of been a Russian name or something.Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Nimitzjord wrote:
Why is it called a Nimitz?
That's not a very American name.
Anyway, whatever it would take to destroy it wouldn't be worth the effort/money/losses. You may as well destroy the aircraft onboard and leave it.
Bubbalo, you are extremely pissed off right now. Take a break from the forums and calm down.Bubbalo wrote:
What's that? You don't have a response and instead of admitting it you're just going to act like the dipshit you are and post random unrelated crap?
Amused, actually. Of course, I'm not dumb enough to get perma-banned from a site I'm so desperate to post on that I start a separate account. Don't get me wrong, the day may come when I'm perma-banned, but I'll just deal with it and move on.Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
Bubbalo, you are extremely pissed off right now. Take a break from the forums and calm down.Bubbalo wrote:
What's that? You don't have a response and instead of admitting it you're just going to act like the dipshit you are and post random unrelated crap?
nutjob.Bubbalo wrote:
What's that? You don't have a response and instead of admitting it you're just going to act like the dipshit you are and post random unrelated crap?usmarine2005 wrote:
Blah blah blah....... USA BAD evil sucks blah blah blah.
loaz "D&ST"
A group of stealth bombers/submarines would be able do damage the group, but they would probably take big losses to actually defeat it. For anything besides a ship/plane armada such as the strike group itself, surprise is absolutely necessary.
A giant Octopus
The Navy isn't dumb enough to let planes fly over their strike group like it's nothing. There is a huge buffer zone around them.samfink wrote:
how to destroy a carrier group? easy. 7 bombers is enough. how? get on the good side of the USA, so an overflight isn't seen as a big thing, then bomb the bridge of the shops, then get the hell out of there. either that or hijack 7 Airbus A380s and kamikaze them into the ships. you would only have the subs left, and they would likely be reassigned to a different carrier group or mothballed. juts remember to get yuor nuke defences in place first, or you will be nuked to death, then a few thousand more just to make sure. to aid in the mission, try to jam the missile defenses.
Wouldn't a couple of large mines that emite a large gas bubble when detonated cripple a ship? The gas bubble would literally raise the ship out of the water then bring it crashing down, similar to torpedoes of the WW2 era. If they are stationary(absolutely) or in the ocean floor they shouldn't be detected.
How do you keep a mine stationary in 20,000 feet of water?vpyroman wrote:
Wouldn't a couple of large mines that emite a large gas bubble when detonated cripple a ship? The gas bubble would literally raise the ship out of the water then bring it crashing down, similar to torpedoes of the WW2 era. If they are stationary(absolutely) or in the ocean floor they shouldn't be detected.
Bubbles can create a 'hole' as it were in water s a ship loses its buoyancy, dunno how the hell you would do it though.
That or you could use a squadron of TU-22's armed with Kitchen missiles, watch "Sum of all Fears", though that was just an aircraft carrier.
If all else fails, Allah would probably do something, I dunno.
That or you could use a squadron of TU-22's armed with Kitchen missiles, watch "Sum of all Fears", though that was just an aircraft carrier.
If all else fails, Allah would probably do something, I dunno.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/miss … moskit.htm
several of these
several of these
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Hmm, sounds interesting. I couple of these just might cause some havok. Especially if you do one thing for distraction, then use quickly whilst they're distracted. Not that i know anything about Naval warfare, i'm just saying.herrr_smity wrote:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/moskit.htm
one of these
These things would be top priority in taking out by the jets on the AC though. Before they're even launched.
Check previous page for my explanation on the Sum of All Fears scenario.M.O.A.B wrote:
Bubbles can create a 'hole' as it were in water s a ship loses its buoyancy, dunno how the hell you would do it though.
That or you could use a squadron of TU-22's armed with Kitchen missiles, watch "Sum of all Fears", though that was just an aircraft carrier.
If all else fails, Allah would probably do something, I dunno.
The launch platform would be engaged and neautralized beyond the maximum range of the missile. And if they got the missiles off, we'd be assuming that someone was watching the ships, or that the AEGIS' on the Burkes and Ticonderogas would alert the operator within seconds of a missile launch.Mekstizzle wrote:
Hmm, sounds interesting. I couple of these just might cause some havok. Especially if you do one thing for distraction, then use quickly whilst they're distracted. Not that i know anything about Naval warfare, i'm just saying.herrr_smity wrote:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/moskit.htm
one of these
These things would be top priority in taking out by the jets on the AC though. Before they're even launched.
the easiest and most realistic way to destroy a carrier or a whole group without using unconventional weapons, would be to recruit or plant a crew member on the ship, and then let him sabotage it big time, by using C4 on the nuclear reactor or ship hull, detonating some of the missiles on board, etc.
no matter how fancy their radar or weapons systems are, they can't help them against an attack from inside the ship.
no matter how fancy their radar or weapons systems are, they can't help them against an attack from inside the ship.
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You'd be very lucky to get anywhere near a carrier battle group to actually attack it to begin with, what with the E-2 flying around, plus the warning radars of all active vessels, the subs can keep an extra tap on anything beneath the surface, long range missiles can be knocked out by Phalanx fire or missiles from the Aegis systems. I would say the onyl way of having a chance was to use either a stealth aircraft, which no-one apart from the US currently uses in active service. Or fly at very low-level at night, hoping the waves will give you camouflage. The whole scenario of hitting the carrier itself though is highly unlikely.
would pwn all...
What most of the people always forget, is that these carriers also have an excellent Anti-missile system which won't let jets or THEIR MISSILES through. So, an attack from the air is almost impossible because most of the rockets won't even reach them...
And an attack from the sea will also be fucking difficult just like under water...
They are able to defend theirselves against almost everything, so in my opinion the only way to defeat them would be massive and synchronous attack in every sector but therefore it needs more power then the Carrier Group and that won't be easy to hide... :-D
All in all, it could be frigging hard and nearly impossible...
And an attack from the sea will also be fucking difficult just like under water...
They are able to defend theirselves against almost everything, so in my opinion the only way to defeat them would be massive and synchronous attack in every sector but therefore it needs more power then the Carrier Group and that won't be easy to hide... :-D
All in all, it could be frigging hard and nearly impossible...
Lets rule out what couldn't happen first:
1. Airborne attack. The AA capabilities of todays ships is unmatched.
2. Mines. The destroyers and escort ships can defect that shit from a mile away
3. Submarines. See above
4. Missiles. The Nimitz, as example, has one of the most intricate Anti-Missile defense systems known to man. Times that by every ship out there
Now, for what could work:
a.
1. Airborne attack. The AA capabilities of todays ships is unmatched.
2. Mines. The destroyers and escort ships can defect that shit from a mile away
3. Submarines. See above
4. Missiles. The Nimitz, as example, has one of the most intricate Anti-Missile defense systems known to man. Times that by every ship out there
Now, for what could work:
a.
an EMP.. bomb. If they even exist. They wouldn't sink the ships per se, but they'd leave em wide open to attack
Would work, but I like the bubble idea someone suggested. The perfect storm will destroy any fleet, the devine wind "Kamikaze" did so to the Mongol empire.SargeV1.4 wrote:
an EMP.. bomb. If they even exist. They wouldn't sink the ships per se, but they'd leave em wide open to attack
