BF2S Forums How is the world supposed to coexist peacefully with these idiots?

The moslems are nuts.  Where do i sign up?

People can make the argument that Christianity was just as bad in the middle ages or during Spanish Inquisition times.  Quite a lot of barbarism going around during those eras actually everywhere. 

However, one key fact is that Christianity 'reformed' itself.  I think it's about time Islam did something similar.  In my opinion, Islam seems to be actually regressing. 

I put some of the blame on this in the education levels of the general populace in the middle east.  when there is rampant ignorance/illiteracy and joblessness, i believe this is an easy breeding ground for troublemakers.  Of course the governments over there would rather not solve these problems and hence blame it on everyone else (aka Israel, US, etc) so that further compounds the problem.

On the cultural side, many in the middle east are still 'tribal' in that they hold first the notion of Allah, second their tribe or family, and much lower is the concept of nation.   Hence when they emigrate, i believe they have a much harder time integrating with the general populace.  This breeds discontent on both sides (citizens and the immigrants).  However, i still believe these can be overcome through education and a concerted effort on *BOTH* sides.  My personal view is that the muslim community hasn't been doing their share in reaching out to the communities - they need to step it up.  and by reacing out to communities i mean to non-muslim communities too.

Additionally, the cultural aspect of male dominated society is another stumbling block they may face when muslims emigrate to a non-muslim country.  By this i mean seeing women running around dressed like Britney Spears or Posh might be a bit jarring when 2 weeks ago the sight of a girl's ankle was enough to give you a chubby.  This machismo attitude is lame to be honest and i'm not saying i'm a feminist at all.  i just look at men/women as same.  what they do is what distinguishes themself.  eg:  a woman can be a CEO or even discover the cure for cancer.  imagine if some lady in Saudi Arabia had the ability to cure cancer but since they aren't allowed to drive around and what not, we'd never see this cure.  that's the real shame of the situation.

So to summarize, i believe it's education and cultural reasons with religion being used as a tool to fuel the discontent that is part of the problem here.

Now, as far as solutions, i can suggest that our own media powerhouses in the US and wherever start to reach out to these countries/cultures.  I would warn to do this in a conservative manner so as to not offend people (no bikini edition director's cut).  I recall a few years back Indonesia (a majority muslim country) was greatful for the help the US gave to help with the Tsunami aid.  We already do a great deal of this kind of humanitarian stuff but perhaps it is not as publicized in the mosques and on Al Jazeera since it doesn't fit with their agenda.  It's a media war these days folks. 

More on the solutions side:  the military should be making more concerted efforts on cultural education of the general soldiers.  I think they are learning these lessons on the battlefield which might be too late and ends up breeding discontent.  Language is a big barrier here.  Perhaps a basic few week/month course in arabic language would be made to be mandatory for people deployed overseas?  I'm not trying to wussify our armed forces - but actually trying to think of ways to make them more effective.

any more ideas for possible solutions or ways to make the situation better in ME?

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I agree to a point  - read some of the old testament, there are very barbaric writings.  Archaic writings do exist in both the Bible and the Koran, but people do not define the Bible by those sentences.  So why do people feel the need to define Islam by those writings?  There are also very peaceful writings in the Koran (imagine that!).

Yes, Arab culture in general is very male-dominated, much like Christianity.  Yes, there are violent factions in Islam.  That does NOT mean that all Muslims are violent, all Muslims want to convert everyone, or all Muslims are hateful.

His post is not correct, because generalizing a whole group of people based on the most boisterous/violent/radical factions is (in my opinion) ignorant.  Also, I can tell with 100% certainty that he has not read the Koran, just found parts that will support his argument.  If I quote docile, peaceful scripture, does that mean that ALL Islam/Muslims believe in that?

First, I never said ALL Muslims are violent, I even used my ex-wife as an example. Has he read the WHOLE Koran? I don't think any of us can say we have nor do I think that everyone here has read the bible from cover to cover. All my post was saying that there are writings in the Koran that radicals use to do what they are doing. In fact, they are probably perverting the Koran to teach the uneducated what they want them to learn.

What I noticed living among and interacting with Muslims is that there are two types. One that is peaceful, wanting freedom to practice their religion and have the freedom to live a regular life without the extreme laws added by clerics, especially the women. My wife could practice her religion without fear of being punished for not wearing certain clothing and being "kept". This group also lived in fear of the radicals and thus did not speak up against people with radical beliefs (you may notice that its very, very, very rare that Muslims speak up and protest the constant violence...it happens but again very, very rarely. The second group wants the religion to be the "end all and be all" of everything and will punish, convert and push their beliefs on anyone. They believe that if you don't follow, then you should be punished. This even includes death to non-believers and killing people even if innocent people are "martyred"

As far as Christianity being male dominated?........HUH? I don't see that at all. Maybe when it comes to leadership roles that may be true, but the Muslim religion is extremely positioned to give men total power over their wives, children and family even to the point of deciding life or death...honor killings for example. The Muslim religion is peaceful in the hands of some, but it is being used way to much and far too often to overcome the stigma of a violent religion. At this point and time, the Muslim religion is violent and like someone said here needs to be reformed and grow up. The true Muslims need to stand up and take their religion back instead of sitting back and letting it be held hostage.

Turquoise wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,282195,00.html

And people say it is the Israeli's fault for the attacks in that region, but hell they kill each other.

Can't we all just agree that people who belong to certain organizations no long deserve to be part of the human race.  Can't we start exterminating these idiots, please liberals, just admit that Hamas is the problem and needs to be destroyed once and for all.

I get the feeling Palestine will eventually become a self-solving problem....   (more death = less people = less problems)

However, if you take into account the number of children these families typically have, then it might take a very long time.

araba = dominated by islam yes?

white/western/EU&USA etc. = not dominated by Christianity
well excluding some idiotic states in US and bush