Ever wondered why X, Y, or Z gun sucks? Well it probably doesn't. Many of the guns in BF2 have very misleading iron sights.
Numerous people around bf2s.com have accurately marked crosshairs in the past (such as scoutstrike, jemme and todd_angelo). In this thread I use their method of coloring the center pixels. By coloring in the center four pixels at 1280x1024 resolution, we are able to see which pixels on each iron sight represent the true center of your crosshair. You may need to download and zoom in on the images to use them to their full potential.
SIGNIFICANT UPDATE: All of the images in this thread have been replaced since my original post. I originally defined the center of each iron sight as it corresponded to BF2's unzoomed crosshairs. I have since learned that BF2's unzoomed crosshairs are misaligned for ALL weapons and appear accordingly:
Close-up: You must aim slightly down and to the left.
It should be reiterated that all weapons featuring BF2's standard unzoomed sight suffer from this same alignment issue. So for example the m249 mounted guns, pistols, and 0.50 cal mounted guns (vodnik, DPV, roof of tank) all aim slightly up and to the right as depicted in the previous screenshot.
First of all:
Assault Rifles
m16assault - sights aim differently from medic
m16medic
ak101 (assault and medic sights identical)
ak47assault - sights aim differently from medic
ak47medic
L85medic
G3
F2000
G36E
SCARH
FAMAS
L85A2
With recoil what it is, I suggest referring to neros images for most of your vertical alignment and my images for horizontal alignment.
Pistols
92FS
QSZ92
MR444
Notice how high above the iron the sweet spot sits.
SMGs
TYPE85
MP5
PP19
P90
MP7
MP7 (Note this is the only weapon in BF2 with bobbing iron sights, they deviate vertically between 4 and 3 pixels)
LMGs
TYPE95
RPK74
M249
Another weapon that requires aiming well below the target.
PKM
MG36
Look how far down the iron the bullets land.
EU support LMG
Carbines
M4
QBZ97
AK74U
G36C
SCAR-L
G36K
Aims more like a G36E than a G36C
HK53 EU carbine
Red Dot Sights
Every weapon with a red dot sight in BF2 has essentially the same center point. So on your first shots, you aim a P90 the same as you would an M4, AK74U, or SCAR-L.
Grenade Launchers
Take note of their tendency to fire to the right.
Shotguns
All shotguns share this centerpoint, regardless of zoom.
Iron sight variation
The background can actually cut into the pixels you see on your iron sights making them vary slightly in different situations. This only jumped out after seeing screenshots of the same weapon next to each other. Its something to think about while looking at the SS but it may not matter much. This can be seen clearly in the following M24 sight.
Sniper Rifles
SVD
M24
PLA sniper
M95
L96
AT Missiles
SRAW US and UK(SF) notice its way off
ERYX China and MEC sights (vanilla and SF) notice they are quite accurate
RPG (SF)
Vehicles
Yep. Note that orientation of gun mount can significantly affect aim at short range.
Jets
Mig29 and Su34
J10, Q5 Fantan, and Su-30
F15, F18, F35, & Eurofighter
MEC attack jet in Armored Fury
A10
Tanks
T90
PLA Tank
US & EU tanks
APCs
USMC APC
MEC APC
China APC
Mobile AA
Linebacker (US & EU)
MEC AA
PLA AA
Essex
Mini Choppers in Armored Fury
US, PLA, & MEC are the same (but dif color).
TOW Missiles
All the TOW missiles (mec, china, us, EU) are the same.
Numerous people around bf2s.com have accurately marked crosshairs in the past (such as scoutstrike, jemme and todd_angelo). In this thread I use their method of coloring the center pixels. By coloring in the center four pixels at 1280x1024 resolution, we are able to see which pixels on each iron sight represent the true center of your crosshair. You may need to download and zoom in on the images to use them to their full potential.
SIGNIFICANT UPDATE: All of the images in this thread have been replaced since my original post. I originally defined the center of each iron sight as it corresponded to BF2's unzoomed crosshairs. I have since learned that BF2's unzoomed crosshairs are misaligned for ALL weapons and appear accordingly:
Close-up: You must aim slightly down and to the left.
It should be reiterated that all weapons featuring BF2's standard unzoomed sight suffer from this same alignment issue. So for example the m249 mounted guns, pistols, and 0.50 cal mounted guns (vodnik, DPV, roof of tank) all aim slightly up and to the right as depicted in the previous screenshot.
First of all:
Assault Rifles
m16assault - sights aim differently from medic
m16medic
ak101 (assault and medic sights identical)
ak47assault - sights aim differently from medic
ak47medic
L85medic
G3
F2000
G36E
SCARH
FAMAS
L85A2
Ive posted these numerous times but since they are on topic here, also have a look at these sight pics. The difference is Nero drew them from memory based on what he thinks works best. The main difference you notice is how low he aims the AK101. I also tend to use it this way, and I believe the reason it works is that recoil after your first shot causes the next ones to land further above the labeled "sweet spot," so in reality you want to aim roughly where where Nero marks when you are spamming and go for the spot marked on mine with your first shots. I find the M16 has so much less recoil so that consecutive shots dont appear to cause as much climb and hence Neros drawing shows the placement much lower on the sight than the AK101.Nero wrote:
Sight Screenshots for M16 and AK:
With recoil what it is, I suggest referring to neros images for most of your vertical alignment and my images for horizontal alignment.
Pistols
92FS
QSZ92
MR444
Notice how high above the iron the sweet spot sits.
SMGs
TYPE85
MP5
PP19
P90
MP7
MP7 (Note this is the only weapon in BF2 with bobbing iron sights, they deviate vertically between 4 and 3 pixels)
LMGs
TYPE95
RPK74
M249
Another weapon that requires aiming well below the target.
PKM
MG36
Look how far down the iron the bullets land.
EU support LMG
Carbines
M4
QBZ97
AK74U
G36C
SCAR-L
G36K
Aims more like a G36E than a G36C
HK53 EU carbine
Red Dot Sights
Every weapon with a red dot sight in BF2 has essentially the same center point. So on your first shots, you aim a P90 the same as you would an M4, AK74U, or SCAR-L.
Grenade Launchers
Take note of their tendency to fire to the right.
Shotguns
All shotguns share this centerpoint, regardless of zoom.
Iron sight variation
The background can actually cut into the pixels you see on your iron sights making them vary slightly in different situations. This only jumped out after seeing screenshots of the same weapon next to each other. Its something to think about while looking at the SS but it may not matter much. This can be seen clearly in the following M24 sight.
Sniper Rifles
SVD
M24
PLA sniper
M95
L96
AT Missiles
SRAW US and UK(SF) notice its way off
ERYX China and MEC sights (vanilla and SF) notice they are quite accurate
RPG (SF)
Vehicles
Yep. Note that orientation of gun mount can significantly affect aim at short range.
Jets
Mig29 and Su34
J10, Q5 Fantan, and Su-30
F15, F18, F35, & Eurofighter
MEC attack jet in Armored Fury
A10
Tanks
T90
PLA Tank
US & EU tanks
APCs
USMC APC
MEC APC
China APC
Mobile AA
Linebacker (US & EU)
MEC AA
PLA AA
Essex
Mini Choppers in Armored Fury
US, PLA, & MEC are the same (but dif color).
TOW Missiles
All the TOW missiles (mec, china, us, EU) are the same.
Last edited by Marinejuana (2007-07-27 02:15:59)
