BF2S Forums Racism, Should we tolerate it ?

TerrorDoll wrote:

Are we being a little overly sensitive here? Everyone is so quick to whine about how offended they are about this or that instead of just getting over it. This type of behavior has turned us into selfish, hyper sensitive, sue happy, tattle talers. I mean are you even black? Why do you care if he says the "n" word? People say it because it evokes a reaction more so then for the sake of being racist. By getting your panties all twisted you are rewarding his behavior with exactly what he wanted. Seriously grow up. It sounds like a PTA meeting in here.

Who's getting offended here? Shut your fucking hole, you ______ (insert racial comment here).

And have a nice day.

I think we all have agreed to joke about this and not be so uptight.

depends on if its racism or if its just an opinion, like the fact that whites cant talk about blacks but blacks can talk about whites without being accused of racism.

all official servers (ie not clan servers, ect) will ban on the spot if any racism is spotted (admin read the chat logs to).

We are all the same, just different cultures, morals, upbringing, religions & locations. Until everyone realize's this we will allways have racism because of the ignorant. That in itself is societys fault for not bringing the best out in everyone. I think it is important for everyone to judge each other as an individual & not a race.
Only then will we move out too the stars together & discover our true future.

As for smacktards talking trash in the game , ignore it & concentrate on the game, they will most likely be there for a while, & for some that is the whole point "to get you off your game , to rattle you"

Horseman 77 wrote:

Its basicly name calling, when he gets banned enough he will shut his mouth. Do we really need the " Nanny State Police"   in our video games too? please just ignore it before Hillary clinton gets " Involved "

I cant believe you " sent this letter to EA to see what they would do. " Are you from Vermont by any chance?

Hilary Clinton is a true bitch.

H8CKorrupt is just a fucking statspadder.

Am I a racist now...?

I think by being offended by racism, you're giving it more power than it has. It's kind of hard to judge the motivation behind someone using racist language on the internet. They could be using it jokingly or maliciously, but who really cares? Why does it have more power than saying "asshole, faggot, etc"? I realize americas past relations with african americans wasn't the most sparkling of times, but those times are past. Why cant it be seen for what it is; childish bullshit. If all offense is taken away the perpetrator is basically informing the victim of the colour of their skin. Just as someone who calls someone else a "faggot" might do so for a variety of reasons (eg. walks like a girl, throws like a girl, looks at mens butts). I know servers/websites have to look after the majority of their members, but i think it's nothing but hate veiled by retarded, easy to understand words. It's no different than "i hate you" with a declaration of skin colour which is pointless. Fuck giving these people power by crying over their words, just look at them for what they are; slobbering imbeciles who scream their hatred at people for reasons that NEVER stray from patheticness

Go cry me a fucking river Jesse Jackson.

So as a white person, does that make me a racist if I'm singing along to DMX in my car?

LOL "singing" doesn't really describe either what DMX does or what I do copying him, but hey ho!

You have to enjoy "racism" for what it is.  Look at it this way: if everyone looked/acted/prayed the same, what are you going to call someone that pisses you off???  Somehow "You are a bad man" doens't quite get my fit of flashed anger across..

Of course, there's nothing stopping you from insulting them in other ways.. "You are a limp phallused yeast infected pus filled piece of feces that a turtle crapped out after eating some bad fish"

Feels good to type that out while you wait to respawn. and everyone gets a good chuckle (that isn't too busy getting pounded themselves to read it)

I have yet to see any "Hate" text.

In serious discussions about free speach a point is usually brought up about.. well.. the point of banning a type of speach. Usually in relation to free speach codes at US college campuses since the college in the US has always been the haven for speach that may not be tolerated among the general population and colleges have been using various speach codes to prevent sexual or racial remarks.

So what's the point of banning any type of speach? You would think that in the case of racist speach that it would have some good effect, right? But what could that be? Surely telling somebody that doesn't like a race that they cannot express that feeling is going to exasperate their emotion. Preventing expression only increases the drive to express in other ways - only goes to catalyze the person's feelings. Going as far as to make sure that certain talk is prohibited in settings drives people who have racist feelings to find or create forums and communities where they can express their views freely without criticism. This can only push these people further away. This will only create a sense amongst the racist people that society is polarized into "pro white" and "anti white." As for the people who use the words freely without any real racist attitude, who use it just for the purpose of disturbing those around them, this will only encourage that impulse. Taking action to make sure that somebody cannot express themselves will only drive them to express themselves in more extreme ways. Period. So really the point of some kind of code or prohibition of language isn't to change anything, right? I don't think anybody is saying that but it's always sort of insinuated - I think - that there's some kind of progress that's been made if nobody is saying those bad things? But I think that leads us to the real point.

Sensitivity. It seems like most people would rather have their sensitivity about speach catered to than to be privy to the honest and open behavior of their fellow humans or to only be in the presence of humans who have the same sensitivies. There's nothing wrong with that. But let me bring up two things. It's dangerous to do this if you're not aware that you've improved nothing, that you are living in a self-selecting construct, and that you are being sheltered from reality in a sense. And that emotional consideration for enforcing speach code is hard to enforce, and dangerous for liberty. If the only reason that words are prohibited is because they hurt or are distasteful than we are embarking on a dangerous way to limit expression. The reason that western countries have such strict protections on freedom of speach is because many philosophers and political theorists have argued, for thousands of years quite successfully, that free speach is beneficial for society in the long run. No legal code to protect speach would be necessary if everybody said what is comfortable and sensible to most people. It is precisely for the speach that we do not want to hear that protection codes exist. So that we will be able to recognize people who feel alienated, people with extreme views, people who are unlike us in so many ways. It is so these people can be included in the community of ideas, so they aren't driven out, so that all of us maintain a common connection and that connection, as I said, is a community of ideas. A community of ideas is powerful especially for progress. It is through ideas, free speach, free expression, and free critique that genuine viewpoints of people can be challenged or triumph. Racism can never be obliterated through limiting the ability to express racist viewpoints. But it's spread can certainly be stopped and indeed, some people converted, if when they express their viewpoints they are acknowledged and met with a rational critique of why they are wrong.

It's nice to want to have a nice time. But I would recommend that we're much better off if you simply take people's words for what they are - their words. If some 12 year old who doesn't really even understand the words they are using insults you than you are probably better off learning how to not care rather than making sure they can't insult you. Businesses and communities have the right to regulate themselves, to create their own speach codes, to allow as much speach as they want or to limit it. I think we're better off if we don't encourage tolalitarian attitudes in the communities and businesses we participate in and learn how to govern our own emotions better, because really, limiting speach is all about not hearing stuff we don't like - not about making anything genuinely better.