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The IRA carried out many atrocities that cannot be condoned during their campaign in the time of the troubles but the IRB, from which they originated, were the same force that won us our independence here in the South and enabled us to live a prosperous existence free from British interference or oppression. The IRA's cause has always in my opinion been a legitimate one but the methods they have chosen to use at times have been reprehensible.

I notice a lot of bitterness from certain British posters here and that's understandable, we in Ireland feel a lot of bitterness towards the British army too for similar injustices (internment, killing of civilians on Bloody Sunday and many other occasions etc.). I notice also a lot of comments suggesting the 'war' is over and that the we 'lost' and that the IRA 'have no balls' ...I used to work with a formerly high ranking British soldier who served in the Falklands and in Northern Ireland and he had nothing but respect for the IRA on a military level.

btw the 'war' is not over, it is half over and we're winning ...the score is 26-6 and I don't think you'll be able to hold on as we go into injury time, take a look at the projections for the North in the next 10 to 20 years.

Last edited by Braddock (2007-05-25 14:29:16)

well it depends what you mean by "the IRA" it has had several incarnations and several splinter factions.

M.O.A.B wrote:

Elamdri wrote:

Wow, the IRA always have been terrorists. The IRA were terrorists before it was cool to be a terrorist. Why do you think they call Hamas the new IRA? They just copied the IRA.

Even the accent Still call in Harrison Ford, problem solved, now time to eat. Good debate though keep going, I'm somewhat interested.

Haha, a Tom Clancy Reference.... I like it

if you wear offical looking badges people know who to run from.

if fire fighters fight fire
and crime fighters fight crime
what do freedom fighters fight?

Last edited by Vernedead (2007-05-25 13:43:12)

A quick story from my forces days. Whilst doing some training l was told of how the IRA managed to get hold of some ECM ( Electronic counter measure kit that is used to block radio waves to IED's) and sent it off to an american who was forth generation Irish bloke (basicaly American), he managed to find out how it works and relayed the info back to the IRA, who in turn used it to blow up a British Soldier. Unfortunatly alot of funding and weapons for the IRA came from the states and again it took something horrible like 9/11 to put a strangle hold on funds for the IRA. Even with the Good Friday agrement l belive the IRA and other terrorist groups still have weapons ready for use.

Yes as a Brit l'm unhappy and bitter of how the IRA and other Terrorist groups went about things the needless loss of life and yes l admit the British Army have done there fair share of fuck ups. However you'd have to an idiot to belive the Paras at bloody Sunday just opened up on unarmed civis with out being fired upon first.

Braddock wrote:

btw the 'war' is not over, it is half over and we're winning ...the score is 26-6 and I don't think you'll be able to hold on as we go into injury time, take a look at the projections for the North in the next 10 too 20 years.

Can you go into more detail on the your winning lark and the 26-6 line?You never know maybe the North will unite with the south, then you have to deal with the Loyalist terrorists groups who will no doubt be rather pissed off.

The_Guardsman wrote:

Braddock wrote:

btw the 'war' is not over, it is half over and we're winning ...the score is 26-6 and I don't think you'll be able to hold on as we go into injury time, take a look at the projections for the North in the next 10 too 20 years.

Can you go into more detail on the your winning lark and the 26-6 line?You never know maybe the North will unite with the south, then you have to deal with the Loyalist terrorists groups who will no doubt be rather pissed off.

It was a football game

But really it would be nice if you guys could drop the bitterness, England was ruled by the French at one point, the French for christ sake. We're not considered bitter toward them (honestly), our American friends aren't exactly bitter toward us for the way we treated them all those years ago.

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2007-05-25 14:25:29)

Braddock wrote:

Firstly I don't think the IRA will ever go back to violent methods, nothing can be achieved down that avenue anymore. Whether there are any weapons left or not isn't even a factor, they will not be used.

Only time will tell and l hope its true.

Braddock wrote:

Secondly, there may very well have been fire from the crowds on Bloody Sunday but it would still not even come close to justifying the bloodbath that ensued. I still feel deeply aggrieved to the complete amnesty given to the paras who carried out the war crimes on that tragic day. I know people who saw events that day first hand and they said it was atrocious.

There was weapon fire from the crowd. No ifs, no buts there was weapons fire. Granted the return fire was over the top yes. But the Paras say that each round was aimed at someone throwing/about to throw a pipe bomb or holding and firing a rifle. Notice the thirteen people that were killed that day were men and all the injured bar one were men as well, so l belive they did'nt just "spray and prey".  War crimes l belive not and also what about the untold number of terrorists that have been released or not been tried for thier crimes, like Martin McGuniess or the ones responsible for the Omagh bomb (real IRA), do you think thats fair they did'nt get tried or serve out there sentence?

Braddock wrote:

Thirdly ...There are 32 counties in the island of Ireland, we won back 26 during our victory following 1916 and the remaining six could end up being ceded back when the nationalists enter the majority (if current birth rates continue steadily). If we do unite I have no doubt there will be a civil war of sorts but it will be a useless effort because if Britain do ever let go they will not take it back.

Thanks for clearing that one up old boy . True but still you'd be stuck with that problem.

On another note l did have encounters with Republic of Ireland squaddies out in Kosovo. You did have some Gucchi kit at the time and alot of them did wave or say hello whilst l was stagging on some random point.

IRA=Freedom fighers. Overthrowing an imperialistic opressor, intent on enslaving the local indigenous population.

Last edited by Jackshite (2007-05-25 17:00:04)

M.O.A.B wrote:

The_Guardsman wrote:

Braddock wrote:

btw the 'war' is not over, it is half over and we're winning ...the score is 26-6 and I don't think you'll be able to hold on as we go into injury time, take a look at the projections for the North in the next 10 too 20 years.

Can you go into more detail on the your winning lark and the 26-6 line?You never know maybe the North will unite with the south, then you have to deal with the Loyalist terrorists groups who will no doubt be rather pissed off.

It was a football game

But really it would be nice if you guys could drop the bitterness, England was ruled by the French at one point, the French for christ sake. We're not considered bitter toward them (honestly), our American friends aren't exactly bitter toward us for the way we treated them all those years ago.

Some people. Mainly the Irish on this forum cant seem to get over something that happened 800 years ago.

Vilham wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

The_Guardsman wrote:

Can you go into more detail on the your winning lark and the 26-6 line?You never know maybe the North will unite with the south, then you have to deal with the Loyalist terrorists groups who will no doubt be rather pissed off.

It was a football game

But really it would be nice if you guys could drop the bitterness, England was ruled by the French at one point, the French for christ sake. We're not considered bitter toward them (honestly), our American friends aren't exactly bitter toward us for the way we treated them all those years ago.

Some people. Mainly the Irish on this forum cant seem to get over something that happened 800 years ago.

Vilham, you seem to dismiss everything in the North as happening 800 years ago. If you were a Catholic or of a Catholic/nationalist background living in the North during the last 80 years maybe you wouldn't see it that way. They were treated like shit in so many ways. I'm not saying all British/loyalists were guilty of this but it was, on the whole, an institutional problem.

The IRB done a great service for our nation and are heroes, if we had lost they would have been painted as terrorists by the powers that be, which would still be British. The IRA have attempted to reclaim the 6 counties and have done terrible things in the name of that cause but the cause is still just.

I myself am not bitter towards Britain, I have strong connections with Britain in fact. I simply acknowledge the past and recognise the view that many in this country have that the island of Ireland should be united as one.

The_Guardsman wrote:

There was weapon fire from the crowd. No ifs, no buts there was weapons fire. Granted the return fire was over the top yes. But the Paras say that each round was aimed at someone throwing/about to throw a pipe bomb or holding and firing a rifle. Notice the thirteen people that were killed that day were men and all the injured bar one were men as well, so l belive they did'nt just "spray and prey".  War crimes l belive not and also what about the untold number of terrorists that have been released or not been tried for thier crimes, like Martin McGuniess or the ones responsible for the Omagh bomb (real IRA), do you think thats fair they did'nt get tried or serve out there sentence?

Maybe the IRA did fire a shot or maybe they didn't, I doubt if we will ever know, One thing is certain though, the 14 Civilians / 6 of who were little more than children (god rest their souls) that your comrades killed were unarmed civilians, and, most were shot in the back. You seem to forget also that  a woman was shot though thankfully she didn't die from her injuries.

Braddock wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

The_Guardsman wrote:

There was weapon fire from the crowd. No ifs, no buts there was weapons fire. Granted the return fire was over the top yes. But the Paras say that each round was aimed at someone throwing/about to throw a pipe bomb or holding and firing a rifle. Notice the thirteen people that were killed that day were men and all the injured bar one were men as well, so l belive they did'nt just "spray and prey".  War crimes l belive not and also what about the untold number of terrorists that have been released or not been tried for thier crimes, like Martin McGuniess or the ones responsible for the Omagh bomb (real IRA), do you think thats fair they did'nt get tried or serve out there sentence?

Maybe the IRA did fire a shot or maybe they didn't, I doubt if we will ever know, One thing is certain though, the 14 Civilians / 6 of who were little more than children (god rest their souls) that your comrades killed were unarmed civilians, and, most were shot in the back. You seem to forget also that  a woman was shot though thankfully she didn't die from her injuries.

One victim was found to have a bullet pass through one underarm and out the other ...he had his arms in the air.

Aye, probably waving a White handkerchief in the air - there is no evidence to support the claim that any civilian was firing a rifle, & also the question surrounding the legitimacy of the 4 "nail Bombs"