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2007-05-07 10:59:52
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7286|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

Cougar wrote:

golgoj4 wrote:

Cougar wrote:


Are you trying to say that you hate no one?  At all?  There is no 1 group of people that you can't stand?  No category of people that annoy you?  At all?  Period?
fine. you got me. eskimoes. those fuckers club baby seals and thats just wrong. But seriously, No, i don't have any GROUP of people. Waste of time. Everyone is not the same, especially in the states. So its just fucking dumb IMO to lump everyone together. I make my call on an asshat by asshat basis. There are plenty of those in L.a., I don't need to single out a particular group. Maybe thats what you need. Assholes of all races in your hometown...
So yes, I dont have to hate any group of people categorically because I fear them for some mysterious reason. I DO hate the cocksucker on his cell phone in the fast lane on the 710 freeway when im trying to get somewhere, no matter what he looked like.
You hate racists you hypocritical motherfucker.

Welcome to prejudiceville.  Population=You.
I think the problem is that you think that those who reject racist sentiment "hate".  It would be the same as saying people "Hate" flat earthers.  This is not correct, in the paradigm that's preceded WW2 those prejudiced miss-conceived beliefs, have been disproved and thoroughly rejected by the Majority of civilisation, and hence it has become a crime in most "normal" societies.  only Haters = Hate.

Tolerating is not the opposite of intolerant. by not tollerating the intoleran,t ones self does not become intolerant.
2007-05-07 11:08:30
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7301|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


The truth of it is we all generalize. It is human. Our brain revolves around our own personal experience and what we have seen for ourselves. Should we make the effort to try and comprehend that there are things beyond that? Certainly. That does not change the fact that everyone pre-judges everything that involves the use of their brain. This is not limited to judging races or people. If we did not "prejudge" Man would have never learned to stop putting his hand in an open flame. Humans would have never understood that when they see a lion they had better get the fuck out of there. We are all prejudice, the only difference between us is the willingness to accept more of what we have not personally experienced or have been taught. Anyone who tells you otherwise is not being honest with you or themselves, and that is more dangerous than those who are open with their feelings.
I said prejudice, and there is nothing good about it.

Interpersonal hostility that is directed against individuals based on their membership in a minority group.  When this definition is applied, prejudice generally refers to existing biases toward the members of such groups, often based on social stereotypes; and at its most extreme, results in groups being denied life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness or, conversely, unfairly showing unwarranted favor towards others.
"Good" or "bad" does not exist in the subconscious.
I thought this was the Realm of Consciousness.
2007-05-07 11:33:29
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7145|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I said prejudice, and there is nothing good about it.

Interpersonal hostility that is directed against individuals based on their membership in a minority group.  When this definition is applied, prejudice generally refers to existing biases toward the members of such groups, often based on social stereotypes; and at its most extreme, results in groups being denied life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness or, conversely, unfairly showing unwarranted favor towards others.
"Good" or "bad" does not exist in the subconscious.
I thought this was the Realm of Consciousness.
Negative, how we react, interpret, and present our "natural judgment" is. That is where your conscious is involved.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-05-07 12:35:55
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7385|Cologne, Germany

I guess what I am trying to say is that prejudice is nothing "negative" per se. As far as I am concerned, it can be both, good or bad. For example, if I was assuming that Sergeriver is a nice, friendly person, then I am obviously prejudging him without knowing all the facts, based solely on the little information I have gathered from the few comments he has made on this forum.

I could very well be wrong with that assessment i.e. prejudice, although I doubt it.
But since I don't know Serge very well, or rather, I really don't know him at all, all I can do is prejudge.
Nothing wrong with that, huh ?

The definition of "prejudice", as Serge brought it up from wikipedia, is therefore a little bit misleading, as it concentrates only on the "negative" aspects of prejudice, as exemplified in the same article:

wikipedia wrote:

For the purposes of this article, which is examining prejudice within a single, overarching, theoretical framework, it is important to define the word as follows: Interpersonal hostility that is directed against individuals based on their membership in a minority group
In other words, the wikipedia article from which serge quoted, specifically defined prejudice in a certain way, to suit a pre-formulated cause.

From the same article:

wikipedia wrote:

This is different from viewpoints accumulated though direct life experience, which are neither prejudiced, conditioned or necessarily instinctive: they are not pre-judgments but post-judgments. Some argue that all politically based views stem from a lack of sufficient life experience; this, however, provokes the question of how much life experience is required before a point of view is no longer regarded as prejudiced. If no amount of experience entitles a person to a viewpoint - if every is biased - then there can be no objectivity. Judgements based on experience may, however, be coloured by prejudice. One might imagine a continuum from "prejudiced" to "based on experience," with many, if not most, views coming somewhere between the two extremes.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice

To me, prejudice is essentially neutral.

Sergeriver wrote:

This is not about PC, it's about having good values.
hm, that's a tricky one. As you know, values vary in time, they change, and they are often very different in different cultures or sub-cultures. In the end, what it comes down to is if you believe that there is a fixed set of eternal values, that apply to everyone and everything, over all times. I'd say that's questionable at best.

Personally, I believe I have good values, but I am also realistic. Different people believe different things.
Who am I to tell others what is good or bad ? That's what religions do, and that hasn't turned out very well, has it ?
2007-05-07 12:54:03
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7145|132 and Bush

B.Schuss wrote:

Personally, I believe I have good values, but I am also realistic. Different people believe different things.
Who am I to tell others what is good or bad ? That's what religions do, and that hasn't turned out very well, has it ?
I think this is the point many of us have been trying to make. If you did feel compelled to tell someone what is "good" or "bad" you would have already pre-judged judged them. Irony or hypocrisy, I'll let everyone decide for themselves .
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-05-07 12:54:51
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7280|Salt Lake City

I'm not a racist, I hate everyone equally.
2007-05-07 12:56:04
Noobpatty
ʎʇʇɐdqoou
+194|6898|West NY
I'm not a nazi...but this is a cool drawing!
2007-05-07 14:00:18
Ilocano
buuuurrrrrrppppp.......
+341|7211

Bubbalo wrote:

Australia, however, has had neither a civil war nor a genocide, but then Australia was started by the Brits who historically were murderous bastards, so I hardly think that counts.
Ahem:

http://www.australian-news.com.au/Aboriginal.htm
Aboriginal genocide had its beginning with Federal Liberal Party member William Wentworth's private members bill to amend the Constitution to remove the prohibition on the commonwealth making "special laws" relating to "the Aboriginal race".

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/sep19 … -s07.shtml
The genocidal practices perpetrated against Australian Aborigines were the outcome of policies adopted and implemented by all Australian governments from British settlement in 1788 until the present. A people who had virtually no contact with the outside world, were suddenly confronted with a hostile and alien force. Aborigines were forced out of their traditional homes, hunted like wild animals, poisoned or shot, and confined to the harshest and most desolate climes. The effect of British settlement upon these people led to near extinction within 120 years.
2007-05-07 14:15:22
Skexis
Member
+6|7003

Cougar wrote:

I don't need to give a reason for every single thing I believe
No. You don't. But then, if you want to whine because everyone's telling you you're not giving a good enough reason...

B.Schuss wrote:

For example, if I was assuming that Sergeriver is a nice, friendly person, then I am obviously prejudging him without knowing all the facts, based solely on the little information I have gathered from the few comments he has made on this forum.
Prejudice is, as another poster put it, lazy thinking. Everyone is guilty of it, but some more than others. You can still operate under the assumption that Sergeriver is nice and friendly, and then find your opinion change if he does something to the opposite. You may be fine with this fact. If you take another leap and assume that all people from Argentina are nice and friendly from your encounter with sergeriver, then it's only to your detriment.

Prejudice is a negative when applied liberally because it shows an unwillingness to look at objective reality.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." --Bertrand Russell
2007-05-07 15:13:50
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7301|Argentina

B.Schuss wrote:

I guess what I am trying to say is that prejudice is nothing "negative" per se. As far as I am concerned, it can be both, good or bad. For example, if I was assuming that Sergeriver is a nice, friendly person, then I am obviously prejudging him without knowing all the facts, based solely on the little information I have gathered from the few comments he has made on this forum.

I could very well be wrong with that assessment i.e. prejudice, although I doubt it.
But since I don't know Serge very well, or rather, I really don't know him at all, all I can do is prejudge.
Nothing wrong with that, huh ?
Thanks for your "prejudice".  Much obliged.  In this case you are assuming things (having a prejudice) in a positive way.  But prejudice can have a very negative meaning.  And that is what I'm talking about.  Many people have strong prejudice against Muslim people just coz a few extremists blow themselves and throw rockets into Israel.  But that kind of generalization is a bad prejudice.  Most Muslims are good people (positive prejudice).  The difference is that a positive prejudice can lead you to wrong conclusions, and the negative prejudice can spread the hate.
2007-05-07 15:16:09
iTrown|speshul|patton
Member
+2|6853
Nazism this
2007-05-07 15:20:03
Cerpin_Taxt
Member
+155|6747
Good to see that you guys finally figured out the difference between racism and prejudice.
2007-05-07 15:52:42
HunterOfSkulls
Rated EC-10
+246|6823

golgoj4 wrote:

fine. you got me. eskimoes. those fuckers club baby seals and thats just wrong. But seriously, No, i don't have any GROUP of people. Waste of time. Everyone is not the same, especially in the states. So its just fucking dumb IMO to lump everyone together. I make my call on an asshat by asshat basis. There are plenty of those in L.a., I don't need to single out a particular group. Maybe thats what you need. Assholes of all races in your hometown...
So yes, I dont have to hate any group of people categorically because I fear them for some mysterious reason. I DO hate the cocksucker on his cell phone in the fast lane on the 710 freeway when im trying to get somewhere, no matter what he looked like.
Quoted for fucking truth.

Stupidity really doesn't know ethnicity, religion or zip code. It crosses all boundaries and anyone thinking they've got it locked down to just one area or that they somehow, in their miserably short span on this planet, have identified a pure source of it is either fooling themselves or making excuses for shoddy thinking on their own part.
2007-05-07 16:15:28
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7301|Argentina

Cerpin_Taxt wrote:

Good to see that you guys finally figured out the difference between racism and prejudice.
Racism is a racial prejudice.
2007-05-07 17:35:35
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|7308|Dallas
Sigh.

Reading these forums lately has been like scratching my dick with a cheese grater.

Carry on my wayward sons.....nah nah....nah....something, something....
2007-05-07 17:38:03
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7301|Argentina

Cougar wrote:

Reading these forums lately has been like scratching my dick with a cheese grater.
You seem to have expertise in the field.
2007-05-07 17:54:03
DooM
Member
+28|6851

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

I'm not a racist, I hate everyone equally.
That line is so overused you might as well put it in the dictionary.
2007-05-07 18:02:16
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|7012

sergeriver wrote:

Cerpin_Taxt wrote:

Good to see that you guys finally figured out the difference between racism and prejudice.
Racism is a racial prejudice.
Well yes and no.

Racism is hate for someone based on their race, and often racists have prejudice towards the people they hate (like Nazis saying Jews are greedy). While prejudice is "pre-judging" people, and can be based on anything, you can have prejudice towards someone without hating them.
2007-05-07 18:05:36
T1g3r217
Perpetual
+124|6966|My room
If you're racist and you go out and kill someone, chances are that you killed a good person of the race. Therefre racism = stupidity/idiocy/everything bad. Seriously, if I had a dime for everyone who thought all Africans were dumb, I'd have...a lot of money. And that is one of the worst prejudices (not saying that there are any good prejudices).
2007-05-07 18:09:11
Pigskinn
Member
+5|6913
sergeriver:

If someone makes a comment about a Muslim , that snot considered a racism. I believe your scum bag teacher forgot to tell you that.

And as far as Muslims go, I believe the large portion of them(Muslims) are like sheeple. They never speak up and they only protest Death to the West.  Worst of all,they do NOT want to conform to your laws but only their 7th century laws. As far as am concerned.....Fuck em...!   Keep in mind . I only said most of them not all of them.

Pigskinn

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2007-05-07 18:27:33
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7301|Argentina

Pigskinn wrote:

sergeriver:

If someone makes a comment about a Muslim , that snot considered a racism. I believe your scum bag teacher forgot to tell you that.

And as far as Muslims go, I believe the large portion of them(Muslims) are like sheeple. They never speak up and they only protest Death to the West.  Worst of all,they do NOT want to conform to your laws but only their 7th century laws. As far as am concerned.....Fuck em...!   Keep in mind . I only said most of them not all of them.

Pigskinn
Call it whatever you want, racism, prejudice, bigotry, stereotyping, generalization, etc.  You seem to know about that anyway.
2007-05-07 18:38:34
Pigskinn
Member
+5|6913
I only speak the truth as i see it.
When was the last time you have seen a Muslim counter  protest against radical islom fascist pigs.  Please answer that question forme? ,,,,Please en lighting me.

Since we are on the topic of Facts.Is it true that shera law has been introduce within England  - so England can happy live with a 7th century law within a 21st century society.  I'm i wrong on that one too?

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2007-05-07 19:45:28
HunterOfSkulls
Rated EC-10
+246|6823

Pigskinn wrote:

I only speak the truth as i see it.
And therin lies the problem. If you're not looking for it, you're damn sure not going to find it. Case in point...

Pigskinn wrote:

When was the last time you have seen a Muslim counter  protest against radical islom fascist pigs.  Please answer that question forme? ,,,,Please en lighting me.
Just because the Western media doesn't give it a lot of press doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Unfortunately the image of wild-eyed and bearded Muslims rioting over cartoons and burning shit sells a lot better than peaceful Muslims protesting their extremists or voting down people like the Mufti in Australia who likened women to "uncovered meat". Many of them risk death or worse to stand up to people they believe are trying to drag them backwards. But nobody here can enlighten you on that, you have to do that yourself.

Pigskinn wrote:

Since we are on the topic of Facts.Is it true that shera law has been introduce within England  - so England can happy live with a 7th century law within a 21st century society.  I'm i wrong on that one too?
I swear, if I had a dime for every time some bedwetting self-castrated right-winger started trumpeting about the impending implementation of Sharia law in Europe...    ...well...    ...I'd have a lot of fucking dimes. It says a lot more about some peoples' wishful thinking regarding what they think should happen to Europe than it does about reality.
2007-05-07 19:51:51
theelviscerator
Member
+19|6832
Well it won't be too hard to implement sharia law. They all have Ak's from birth, and you have is an uppity attitude to fight with.....lolz...
2007-05-07 20:11:59
Pigskinn
Member
+5|6913
HunterOfSkulls:

You have just made my point.  LOL
7thcentury mind thought cannot live cohesively within any society.  Thanks for compound my point.

So what should happen to Europe, rather then give some blow hard, half ass response, explain yourself. You seem to know everything. 

Right -winger........ohhhh nooooo... what made you label as such. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Your commie pinko(bad thing) instructors have miss guided you.  Let me explain something to you, my young hermaphrodite.  Reality is what it is. Is that right. Is, is ,IS. That what you're telling me right?

Pigskinn

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