TeamZephyr wrote:
Do you even have and argument at all? Or do you just like to throw around insults at people who you don't agree with?fadedsteve wrote:
wow. . . . . .I hope you make under 10 grand a year, cause if you dont expect to be TAXED heavily!TeamZephyr wrote:
Sinn Fein Forever!
Why dont you have a little hammer and sickle in your sig dude??? How ironic you have the Tieneman Square dude in your sig, yet you want Sinn Fein to win. . . .hmmmm
I do make less than 10 grand a year, and it's very hard to manage rent, bills, food etc and go to university on those kind of wages but I still manage to push on, while being taxed on everything I do (income tax, sales tax, petrol excise, tax on cigarettes etc). Surprisingly I don't mind taxation so much, so long as the government taxing spends the money on looking after it's citizens and building infrastructure to further their nation.
And the similarity between Tienamen Square man and Sinn Fein is that they both are fighting great injustices. T Square man was standing up to an un-communist dictatorship which treats it's citizens like crap (doing the right thing) and Sinn Fein is fighting for the the Irish to remove the English British State from Ireland.
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Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, I lack the insight through direct experience to truly make a choice in this poll with the bullet points provided. Perhaps if I lived in Ireland, it'd be easier, but my ancestors came here because it was easier to start fights and get away with it.CameronPoe wrote:
Why don't you get off your fucking high horse for two seconds? This is what I mean: someone tries to post something that isn't about America and you get cockknocker attitudes like this butting in.fadedsteve wrote:
How about NO ONE CARES!!
Ireland is an insignificant island in terms of geopolitics!!
Regardless who is voted in, it will be some socialist liberal. . . . .
My beloved Irish will continue to enjoy the benefits of the Euro, and thats that! I wish Ireland the best, as I am Irish, but I find it laughable that anyone they elect is going to seriously effect global politics.
For christs sake, they dont even own their entire country! I would focus on electing someone who promises to unite the island!!
Though I've swayed towards Fianna Fáil, they are, after all, just bullet points. I haven't studied their history. Null vote.
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Who have been there 800 years... Longer than any nation of "Ireland".TeamZephyr wrote:
Do you even have and argument at all? Or do you just like to throw around insults at people who you don't agree with?fadedsteve wrote:
wow. . . . . .I hope you make under 10 grand a year, cause if you dont expect to be TAXED heavily!TeamZephyr wrote:
Sinn Fein Forever!
Why dont you have a little hammer and sickle in your sig dude??? How ironic you have the Tieneman Square dude in your sig, yet you want Sinn Fein to win. . . .hmmmm
I do make less than 10 grand a year, and it's very hard to manage rent, bills, food etc and go to university on those kind of wages but I still manage to push on, while being taxed on everything I do (income tax, sales tax, petrol excise, tax on cigarettes etc). Surprisingly I don't mind taxation so much, so long as the government taxing spends the money on looking after it's citizens and building infrastructure to further their nation.
And the similarity between Tienamen Square man and Sinn Fein is that they both are fighting great injustices. T Square man was standing up to an un-communist dictatorship which treats it's citizens like crap (doing the right thing) and Sinn Fein is fighting for the the Irish to remove the English from Ireland.
What have you got against Ireland? I mean, really, what is it? Don't like leprechauns? Does it irk you soooo much that we won our independence just like India, Pakistan and all of those African colonies? Would you have given India the same hard time during the time of Ghandi?Vilham wrote:
Who have been there 800 years... Longer than any nation of "Ireland".
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I have nothing against Ireland, what i have against PEOPLE (You just dislike the UK in general from what ive seen) who want to keep pushing for something that a majority dont want is wrong. Using years of violence to say to people "if you dont vote for independence, we are going to blow you and your loved ones up.". I have Irish people in my family. Luckily they arent ass bandits who dont stop till they get their own way, same cant be said for some other Irish people ive debated with...CameronPoe wrote:
What ahve you got against Ireland? I mean, really, what is it? Don't like leprechauns?Vilham wrote:
Who have been there 800 years... Longer than any nation of "Ireland".
I more than happy they arent a burden on the UK. I am one of the LEAST colonialist English members of this forum. I dont think there should be any Empires. The UK however isnt an empire. Its been a nation for a long time chump. But you want to split it up for no particularly good reason other than dislike of the UK.CameronPoe wrote:
What have you got against Ireland? I mean, really, what is it? Don't like leprechauns? Does it irk you soooo much that we won our independence just like India, Pakistan and all of those African colonies? Would you have given India the same hard time during the time of Ghandi?Vilham wrote:
Who have been there 800 years... Longer than any nation of "Ireland".
Looky here. My Dad was raised in London. My Mum was born in Glasgow. Don't give me your 'you just dislike the UK' bullshit. If I disliked it so fucking much I wouldn't go to stag parties in Manchester & Newcastle, football matches in Glasgow or gigs in London. The Irish NEVER used violence on its own people to coerce them into seeking independence - believe you me we didn't need any help in the motivation department - you're just making things up at this stage. I guess you don't like Indians or Pakistanis for shaking off the yoke of imperialism either do you?Vilham wrote:
I have nothing against Ireland, what i have against PEOPLE (You just dislike the UK in general from what ive seen) who want to keep pushing for something that a majority dont want is wrong. Using years of violence to say to people "if you dont vote for independence, we are going to blow you and your loved ones up.". I have Irish people in my family. Luckily they arent ass bandits who dont stop till they get their own way, same cant be said for some other Irish people ive debated with...CameronPoe wrote:
What ahve you got against Ireland? I mean, really, what is it? Don't like leprechauns?Vilham wrote:
Who have been there 800 years... Longer than any nation of "Ireland".
It ceased being the empire it was some 20-50 years ago. Hardly a long time...Vilham wrote:
I more than happy they arent a burden on the UK. I am one of the LEAST colonialist English members of this forum. I dont think there should be any Empires. The UK however isnt an empire. Its been a nation for a long time chump. But you want to split it up for no particularly good reason other than dislike of the UK.CameronPoe wrote:
What have you got against Ireland? I mean, really, what is it? Don't like leprechauns? Does it irk you soooo much that we won our independence just like India, Pakistan and all of those African colonies? Would you have given India the same hard time during the time of Ghandi?Vilham wrote:
Who have been there 800 years... Longer than any nation of "Ireland".
The new government in Northern Ireland is far more representative of its people now. There are cross border institutions, stengthening infrastructural, cultural, economic and other ties between the Republic and the North. The government of the Republic now has a say in Northern affairs. The ruling executive in the North is now representative of the people of the six counties, with the mandate of Sinn Fein finally being respected. Discrimination against the Irish is now being addressed properly and quotas in public employment have now been introduced. IN a few generations, given the demographic trends currently at work, there will be a majority in the six counties who will vote for splitting from the UK and joining the Republic. Will YOU respect that choice?
I don't think you understand what it's like in a region where two groups of people vehemently hate being under the control of the other - a different form of government is required. Nearly half of the people in NI don't want anything to do with the UK, how do you address that???
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indeed we should embrace the monarchy? not to mention enjoy the wholesale British state sponsored murder of Catholics for the last 30 years? while being second class citizens in our own country? I mean what isn't there to love? thanks for opening my eyes Vilham i've been such an idiot..You just dislike the UK in general from what ive seen
Edit : Sorry I forgot to mention Internment, military occupation and civilian oppression, chronic lack of financial investment. My love for the British State grows and grows..
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lol... i forgot to mention the IRA blowing up cafes and pubs... Dont give me that bullshit. The IRA did just as bad stuff. Yet again Poe and IG advocate terrorism.IG-Calibre wrote:
indeed we should embrace the monarchy? not to mention enjoy the wholesale British state sponsored murder of Catholics for the last 30 years? while being second class citizens in our own country? I mean what isn't there to love? thanks for opening my eyes Vilham i've been such an idiot..You just dislike the UK in general from what ive seen
Edit : Sorry I forgot to mention Internment, military occupation and civilian oppression, chronic lack of financial investment. My love for the British State grows and grows..
again care to point out where I advocate terrorism? like i've told you before Vilham I completely and unreservedly condemn the actions of the IRA - with equal measure I also condemn the British Government that advocated & colluded in the murder and collective punishment of its citizens, including some of my friends and, mainly innocent people, whos only crime was they were Catholic . Is that clear enough for you to understand? I have no love for the British state & quite frankly will be glad to see the back of it. If you have a problem with that I don't give two flying fucks..Vilham wrote:
lol... i forgot to mention the IRA blowing up cafes and pubs... Dont give me that bullshit. The IRA did just as bad stuff. Yet again Poe and IG advocate terrorism.IG-Calibre wrote:
indeed we should embrace the monarchy? not to mention enjoy the wholesale British state sponsored murder of Catholics for the last 30 years? while being second class citizens in our own country? I mean what isn't there to love? thanks for opening my eyes Vilham i've been such an idiot..You just dislike the UK in general from what ive seen
Edit : Sorry I forgot to mention Internment, military occupation and civilian oppression, chronic lack of financial investment. My love for the British State grows and grows..
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and yet you never bring up the IRA's actions but always bring up the actions of the government. Doesnt seem to me that its "equal measure" at all.IG-Calibre wrote:
again care to point out where I advocate terrorism? like i've told you before Vilham I completely and unreservedly condemn the actions of the IRA - with equal measure I also condemn the British Government that advocated & colluded in the murder of my friends and innocent people who's only crime was they were Catholic. Is that clear enough for you to understand? I have no love for the British state & quite frankly will be glad to see the back of it. If you have a problem with that I don't give two flying fucks..Vilham wrote:
lol... i forgot to mention the IRA blowing up cafes and pubs... Dont give me that bullshit. The IRA did just as bad stuff. Yet again Poe and IG advocate terrorism.IG-Calibre wrote:
indeed we should embrace the monarchy? not to mention enjoy the wholesale British state sponsored murder of Catholics for the last 30 years? while being second class citizens in our own country? I mean what isn't there to love? thanks for opening my eyes Vilham i've been such an idiot..
Edit : Sorry I forgot to mention Internment, military occupation and civilian oppression, chronic lack of financial investment. My love for the British State grows and grows..
tell you what mate, you go and bring up their actions, and i'll condemn each and every last one of them, and then maybe you'll get it through your thick fucking skull that I don't, and never have supported the IRA. K? OK..Vilham wrote:
and yet you never bring up the IRA's actions but always bring up the actions of the government. Doesnt seem to me that its "equal measure" at all.IG-Calibre wrote:
again care to point out where I advocate terrorism? like i've told you before Vilham I completely and unreservedly condemn the actions of the IRA - with equal measure I also condemn the British Government that advocated & colluded in the murder of my friends and innocent people who's only crime was they were Catholic. Is that clear enough for you to understand? I have no love for the British state & quite frankly will be glad to see the back of it. If you have a problem with that I don't give two flying fucks..Vilham wrote:
lol... i forgot to mention the IRA blowing up cafes and pubs... Dont give me that bullshit. The IRA did just as bad stuff. Yet again Poe and IG advocate terrorism.
Well lets leave it at the fact that i believe that you and Poe both actually believe what the IRA did was ok, due to things you have said and havent said, thus making anything you say in my eyes not worthy of serious consideration. Shame really as i used to respect poes views.
Well you're wrong, not that I give a fuck. Let me spell it out for you again THE IRA WERE WRONG TO MURDER AND I CONDEMN THEM FOR THEIR COWARDLY ACTIONS - including the murder of one of my good friends who died at their hands & you think this is an organisation that I support? does that make it any clearer to you? all murder is wrong no matter by whose hand imo.Vilham wrote:
Well lets leave it at the fact that i believe that you and Poe both actually believe what the IRA did was ok, due to things you have said and havent said, thus making anything you say in my eyes not worthy of serious consideration. Shame really as i used to respect poes views.
Well in that statement lies your pure unadulterated pigheadedness. Why would I condemn the killing of Iraqi civilians, etc. and then on the other hand endorse the killing of civilians in Northern Ireland. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!!!!! IG isn't with me on this one but what you are confused with is the fact that I endorsed attacks on the British army and the British security apparatus in the north. That is all. Attacks on civilians - NO FUCKING WAY. I have principles ffs. You can selectively endorse acts carried out by a group of people you know. I supported their cause, not many of their henious actions. There is no real need for the IRA now as Catholics are beginning to experience the fruits of long-overdue parity of esteem and full civil rights. The growing catholic populace will finish the job of reunification off with their votes.Vilham wrote:
Well lets leave it at the fact that i believe that you and Poe both actually believe what the IRA did was ok, due to things you have said and havent said, thus making anything you say in my eyes not worthy of serious consideration. Shame really as i used to respect poes views.
You can shove your respect up your ass - respect from someone so intransigently short-sighted as you isn't something to be boasted about.
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Get the fuck out of here. Jesus Mary and Joseph, will you leave your keyboard alone for ten minutes and get a hooker or something? Just get laid; it's amazing how much it will relieve the urge to fight with everyone for no good reason. Assuming that you can't get laid (even by a hooker) I would ask that at the very least you quit making shit up. This whole fucking thread is full of you just putting words in other people's mouths just so you can condemn it. We would all appreciate it if you would leave the verbal sparing confined to the voices in your head. Go fuck up someone else's thread for a little while so those of us who have an interest in this topic can enjoy ourselves for a while.Vilham wrote:
Well lets leave it at the fact that i believe that you and Poe both actually believe what the IRA did was ok, due to things you have said and havent said, thus making anything you say in my eyes not worthy of serious consideration. Shame really as i used to respect poes views.
Thanks in advance.
Holy crap, an Irish vs. British fight. This is some old school debate here!
BTW, the British have been in N. Ireland so long that there are enough people there to consider themselves as British as London. If more people demand independence in N. Ireland, then they can partition off the Catholic sections and give it to Ireland, but to wrest from people the land that their ancestors have been on for centuries is just as wrong as what the British did way back when.
BTW, the British have been in N. Ireland so long that there are enough people there to consider themselves as British as London. If more people demand independence in N. Ireland, then they can partition off the Catholic sections and give it to Ireland, but to wrest from people the land that their ancestors have been on for centuries is just as wrong as what the British did way back when.
Good to see you can mount a mature reply...Shopvac wrote:
Get the fuck out of here. Jesus Mary and Joseph, will you leave your keyboard alone for ten minutes and get a hooker or something? Just get laid; it's amazing how much it will relieve the urge to fight with everyone for no good reason. Assuming that you can't get laid (even by a hooker) I would ask that at the very least you quit making shit up. This whole fucking thread is full of you just putting words in other people's mouths just so you can condemn it. We would all appreciate it if you would leave the verbal sparing confined to the voices in your head. Go fuck up someone else's thread for a little while so those of us who have an interest in this topic can enjoy ourselves for a while.Vilham wrote:
Well lets leave it at the fact that i believe that you and Poe both actually believe what the IRA did was ok, due to things you have said and havent said, thus making anything you say in my eyes not worthy of serious consideration. Shame really as i used to respect poes views.
Thanks in advance.
1. I have a girl.
2. Im not putting words in anyones mouths im merely reading what they have said and making an OPINION on it.
I suggest you go learn about opinions before you tell me to go do anything.
You must think the US should still be a british colony too, huh? All that violent revolution and all, terrorist acts, property damage.Vilham wrote:
Well lets leave it at the fact that i believe that you and Poe both actually believe what the IRA did was ok, due to things you have said and havent said, thus making anything you say in my eyes not worthy of serious consideration. Shame really as i used to respect poes views.
No i dont. I dont want any colony's. NI ISNT A COLONY. Its part of the UK. A nation...jonsimon wrote:
You must think the US should still be a british colony too, huh? All that violent revolution and all, terrorist acts, property damage.Vilham wrote:
Well lets leave it at the fact that i believe that you and Poe both actually believe what the IRA did was ok, due to things you have said and havent said, thus making anything you say in my eyes not worthy of serious consideration. Shame really as i used to respect poes views.
Im more than happy for them to vote independence, what i dont like is when people force them to do something, eg the IRA.
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So are you saying that Ireland / Northern Ireland should take up arms and start up another terroist shit pilefadedsteve wrote:
You sure have all the answers dont you Cameron. . . .CameronPoe wrote:
Why don't you get off your fucking high horse for two seconds? This is what I mean: someone tries to post something that isn't about America and you get cockknocker attitudes like this butting in.fadedsteve wrote:
How about NO ONE CARES!!
Ireland is an insignificant island in terms of geopolitics!!
Regardless who is voted in, it will be some socialist liberal. . . . .
My beloved Irish will continue to enjoy the benefits of the Euro, and thats that! I wish Ireland the best, as I am Irish, but I find it laughable that anyone they elect is going to seriously effect global politics.
For christs sake, they dont even own their entire country! I would focus on electing someone who promises to unite the island!!
I wish you all the best with your 'geopolitics' bullshit. Nice job in Iraq. Congrats.
Would somebody create an 'America' subforum for people who don't want to think about anything outside US borders?
I know I know. . .no blood for oil, halliburton, all Bush's fault blah blah blah blah blah
All everyone talks about here (on these forums) is United States and her politics. . . . The truth is no one cares about Irelands election but YOU! I personally dont care who gets elected there, cause the result is always the same. Some socialist in a different suit!
How about you guys get complete independence from Britain, and show the world you guys arent their pawns!! Why not elect someone who "bucks" the status quo??
You seem to always have some vested interest in what happens in my country/policies! Why cant I put a cynical retort to your unimportant elections. . . .
I will talk to my Irish buddy tonight (he just flew in) and see what he thinks on your elections. After a few Stella's he should be ripe with knowledge!!
If i could give you -1 you would have it
Vilham news-fucking-flash mate - the IRA ended their war nearly a decade ago, fully & verifiable decommissioned their weapons arsenal several years ago - Loyalists have not decommissioned a single bullet. The British Military occupation is at an end and fully dismantled by this stage. Tomorrow devolved government will be established. the de-British-isation of the Island is under way. Now it's a question of when, not if, because the whole mechanism to bring it about is in place and enshrined in International law.Vilham wrote:
No i dont. I dont want any colony's. NI ISNT A COLONY. Its part of the UK. A nation...jonsimon wrote:
You must think the US should still be a British colony too, huh? All that violent revolution and all, terrorist acts, property damage.Vilham wrote:
Well lets leave it at the fact that i believe that you and Poe both actually believe what the IRA did was ok, due to things you have said and havent said, thus making anything you say in my eyes not worthy of serious consideration. Shame really as i used to respect poes views.
Im more than happy for them to vote independence, what i dont like is when people force them to do something, eg the IRA.
If Paisley and the DUP try any kind of fudge tomorrow to not share power, any kind of last minute deal breaker at all - the union will be broken. That will be the penalty for Protestant instragience. There are no more Hoops they can make Catholic/Nationalists/Republican's jump through to mantain their Protestant status quo, Ulster is no longer a Protestant land for a Protestant people (not that it ever was in the first place)
Ah, let Vilham be. The UK has enough to worry about with separatists gaining seats in Scotland! They're going to have to reinstate the voting rights of the House of Lords if they loose any more land.
P.S.
In reply to "1." Now that we've established that you "have a girl" ask her if she'll let you kiss her (it can be one of the first steps to having relations with her).
and
"2." In my opinion . . . your opinions suck. No one brought up support of the IRA before you did (see post # 60), and yet all you do is accuse others of supporting them. That's not a rational conclusion (i.e. opinion) it's a delusion. And I respectfully ask that you give it a rest.
Thanks in advance.
P.S.
In reply to "1." Now that we've established that you "have a girl" ask her if she'll let you kiss her (it can be one of the first steps to having relations with her).
and
"2." In my opinion . . . your opinions suck. No one brought up support of the IRA before you did (see post # 60), and yet all you do is accuse others of supporting them. That's not a rational conclusion (i.e. opinion) it's a delusion. And I respectfully ask that you give it a rest.
Thanks in advance.
Wow, I'd never expect so much flaming over Irish politics...
Anyway, it seems that if it were up to this forum, Sinn Fein would be elected. More terrorist sympathisers around here than you'd think...
Anyway, it seems that if it were up to this forum, Sinn Fein would be elected. More terrorist sympathisers around here than you'd think...
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