BF2S Forums Cloning of human beings

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

thareaper254 wrote:

I don't think cloning humans should be legal, but I do think that cloning organs should be legal because people with bad organs could get them replaced if they could be cloned. Which could make people live longer.

The Island.

That is a good movie.

Teeksy90 wrote:

(sex for those of you who didn't know)

Wtf is sex?

Cloning is utterly natural, as it occurs in nature all the time. At the celular level and even at the multi-cellular level. Many cells are a clone (copy) of another cell - this is beyond commonplace. Also some complex organisms do not reproduce by sexual reproduction and thus the next generation is a copy of the previous.

It is not necessary that humans must reproduce by sexual reproduction, it is just the way it is, but it is not prohibited by nature (and it occurs in nature).

Parthenogenesis:
http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/expedit … ds.html?50

Last edited by topal63 (2007-05-03 14:21:21)

Stupid question. It's not natural. period.

I'd rather bang the chick than get all scientific and start using microscopes.

jgrahl wrote:

Simple test: clone yourself right now.  You can even use another female to help.  Aww, can't do it? Then it must not be natural.

Cloning is natural but not by human beings.

Some organisms reproduce by cloning themselves.  They don't require any other organisms to help.  They simply split and clone themselves.  Now Human beings reproduce by using a bi-gender method.  It takes a male and a female to copulate to produce offspring.

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

Well. Your question may seem like theres only 1 answer. But listen to my take on it.

God is fake
Evolution is natural
The knowledge that comes with evolution is natural
That knowledge then created science, which is natural
That science constantly leads to new technology, which is natural
That technology includes the cloning of humans, which if you follow my chart, is distinctly natural.

The end.

Your take on it is contradictory to your first line "God is fake."  The knowledge gained through evolution caused men to naturally write about god in a book; therefore, by your theories god is natural.
Or it could just be the other way around and your first line, "God is fake" is actually true and the rest of your lines are false.

Aristotle’s law of noncontradiction states that “One cannot say of something that it is and that it is not in the same respect and at the same time.”

You just contradicted your noncontradiction by contradicting youself. If cloning is natural in ANY retrospect, then it is natural. Just because it's not natural on, say jupiter, but it is on earth, that makes it unnatural? (referring to your statement that is isn't natural for humans [which it is **])  No it doesn't. Cloning is by all means natural accept for the factor that humans will add in, Genetic engineering (selecting traits). He was using 'God is fake' as an example of a fact to support his idea that 'evolution is natural' is a fact. Get it? He could of just as easily of well used 'blue is a color in the spectrum' as his first line.


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xBlackPantherx wrote:

Cloning is natural in the sense that the embryo still has to go through ALL the stages of development in a womb-like structure. I can almost guarantee that over 2/3 of you who voted 'no' have NO idea either what stages a baby goes through OR what stages an cloned embryo has to go through. They studied the first cloned sheep and the stages of birth were IDENTICAL to that of a natural born baby. the ONLY thing that will be unnatural, at least not to humans (queen bees can determine the sex of the bee(s) shes giving birth to), but soon after human cloning will be put into legalization processes (or even to jump start the process) will be genetic engineering. This means that the parents (who want to be abstinent, though I have NO clue why they would, can have a baby AND (even for those who have sex and just want their baby to have a good life) can determine what type of traits the baby can have. If both of you have a slow metabolism gene and shitty red frizzy hair (or something), you can use genetic engineering to give the baby a good metabolism and nice blond hair with radiantly blue eyes. It is a PERFECTLY natural process, developmentwise.

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

The knowledge that comes with evolution is natural
That knowledge then created science, which is natural
That science constantly leads to new technology, which is natural
That technology includes the cloning of humans, which if you follow my chart, is distinctly natural.

EDIT:

jgrahl wrote:

Cloning is natural but not by human beings.

How the fuck do you think we grow, OUR cells reproduce (clone) themselves to make YOU grow. The cells do not have sex with each other. So,in fact, your entire post is now invalid because your statement is false. Cloning IS natural in humans, ALL the time.

Last edited by xBlackPantherx (2007-05-05 14:38:51)

xBlackPantherx wrote:

jgrahl wrote:

Simple test: clone yourself right now.  You can even use another female to help.  Aww, can't do it? Then it must not be natural.

Cloning is natural but not by human beings.

Some organisms reproduce by cloning themselves.  They don't require any other organisms to help.  They simply split and clone themselves.  Now Human beings reproduce by using a bi-gender method.  It takes a male and a female to copulate to produce offspring.

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

Well. Your question may seem like theres only 1 answer. But listen to my take on it.

God is fake
Evolution is natural
The knowledge that comes with evolution is natural
That knowledge then created science, which is natural
That science constantly leads to new technology, which is natural
That technology includes the cloning of humans, which if you follow my chart, is distinctly natural.

The end.

Your take on it is contradictory to your first line "God is fake."  The knowledge gained through evolution caused men to naturally write about god in a book; therefore, by your theories god is natural.
Or it could just be the other way around and your first line, "God is fake" is actually true and the rest of your lines are false.

Aristotle’s law of noncontradiction states that “One cannot say of something that it is and that it is not in the same respect and at the same time.”

You just contradicted your noncontradiction by contradicting youself. If cloning is natural in ANY retrospect, then it is natural. Just because it's not natural on, say jupiter, but it is on earth, that makes it unnatural? (referring to your statement that is isn't natural for humans [which it is **])  No it doesn't. Cloning is by all means natural accept for the factor that humans will add in, Genetic engineering (selecting traits). He was using 'God is fake' as an example of a fact to support his idea that 'evolution is natural' is a fact. Get it? He could of just as easily of well used 'blue is a color in the spectrum' as his first line.


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xBlackPantherx wrote:

Cloning is natural in the sense that the embryo still has to go through ALL the stages of development in a womb-like structure. I can almost guarantee that over 2/3 of you who voted 'no' have NO idea either what stages a baby goes through OR what stages an cloned embryo has to go through. They studied the first cloned sheep and the stages of birth were IDENTICAL to that of a natural born baby. the ONLY thing that will be unnatural, at least not to humans (queen bees can determine the sex of the bee(s) shes giving birth to), but soon after human cloning will be put into legalization processes (or even to jump start the process) will be genetic engineering. This means that the parents (who want to be abstinent, though I have NO clue why they would, can have a baby AND (even for those who have sex and just want their baby to have a good life) can determine what type of traits the baby can have. If both of you have a slow metabolism gene and shitty red frizzy hair (or something), you can use genetic engineering to give the baby a good metabolism and nice blond hair with radiantly blue eyes. It is a PERFECTLY natural process, developmentwise.

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

The knowledge that comes with evolution is natural
That knowledge then created science, which is natural
That science constantly leads to new technology, which is natural
That technology includes the cloning of humans, which if you follow my chart, is distinctly natural.

EDIT:

jgrahl wrote:

Cloning is natural but not by human beings.

How the fuck do you think we grow, OUR cells reproduce (clone) themselves to make YOU grow. The cells do not have sex with each other. So,in fact, your entire post is now invalid because your statement is false. Cloning IS natural in humans, ALL the time.

Thats an interesting way to interperate what i really meant

Okay the way I worded it was off.

Again, humans do not clone. They never will.  We can make a close copy of a human by using scientific methods but 1 or 2 or more humans alone can not clone themselves ever.  Your body might in a sense clone parts of itself but it still isn't the topic of humans cloning their entire selves.

You're missing the fact that to clone you have to do it to the entire body, not some skin cell. One thing that will never be able to be cloned is the human brain since it grows and interconnects over time.

Blackpanther you're right that cloning inside humans happens naturally all the time but cloning of whole entire human beings to an identical copy will never happen.  Can you clone your arm after it gets lopped off without the help of chemicals and other synthetically engineered parts? No.

Yes I did say that cloning certain parts of humans is natural but that in no way contradicts the main topic.

Your body can't clone itself from itself. Not even with the help of science can you clone yourself.  Someone else does the copying with something else but it isn't cloning, it's artificial reproduction.  It will still never be an exact nuclear genome of the original.

Cloning is defined as an organism reproducing an identical copy of itself without any outside intervention.  This is done asexually.  Asexual reproduction does not involve meiosis, or fertilization.  The only method I know of that is theorized to clone is a human is by artificial fertilization.  Cloning identically is reserved to single-cell organisms.  A multi-cellular organism that appears to clone does not make an identical copy of itself.

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/units/cl … kandclone/

Superslim wrote:

xBlackPantherx wrote:

Cloning is natural in the sense that the embryo still has to go through ALL the stages of development in a womb-like structure. I can almost guarantee that over 2/3 of you who voted 'no' have NO idea either what stages a baby goes through OR what stages an cloned embryo has to go through. They studied the first cloned sheep and the stages of birth were IDENTICAL to that of a natural born baby. the ONLY thing that will be unnatural, at least not to humans (queen bees can determine the sex of the bee(s) shes giving birth to), but soon after human cloning will be put into legalization processes (or even to jump start the process) will be genetic engineering. This means that the parents (who want to be abstinent, though I have NO clue why they would, can have a baby AND (even for those who have sex and just want their baby to have a good life) can determine what type of traits the baby can have. If both of you have a slow metabolism gene and shitty red frizzy hair (or something), you can use genetic engineering to give the baby a good metabolism and nice blond hair with radiantly blue eyes. It is a PERFECTLY natural process, developmentwise.

You are sooo wrong for sooo many reasons.

Instead of attempting to be an ass and point out negatives, why don't you act smart and tell me WHY I'm wrong.

EDIT: Read This and you will see that it supports what I said.

Last edited by xBlackPantherx (2007-05-07 17:48:34)

stkhoplite wrote:

Teeksy90 wrote:

(sex for those of you who didn't know)

Wtf is sex?

No kidding, sex is so 2003.
Get with the times people.

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

Well. Your question may seem like theres only 1 answer. But listen to my take on it.

God is fake
Evolution is natural
The knowledge that comes with evolution is natural
That knowledge then created science, which is natural
That science constantly leads to new technology, which is natural
That technology includes the cloning of humans, which if you follow my chart, is distinctly natural.

The end.

QFT!!!

See - I should have read the damn thread.....