It's Wacko, not Waco.
sorry, it's a pet issue for me.
sorry, it's a pet issue for me.
I thought you were going to sign up and spare me anymore of your posts? Oh i forgot to randomly CAPTALISE EVERYTHING FOR NO REASON and put fullstops every......where for.....no reason either......fadedsteve wrote:
What a typical irrational, liberal, jealous, American hating, waco response. . . .I swear the sterotype is RIGHT ON!!m3thod wrote:
Get over yourself. I couldn't care less about you and your beloved people.ATG wrote:
Would you like a tissue? Your frothing at the mouth and the drool is splattering everywhere.
Do you have any idea how much food, medicine and goods and services the United States exports every year?
keep your fucking medicine and your godforsaken bombs within your own borders and shove your foreign policy.
How about you shove your irresponsible, leftist, defeatist, liberal agenda!! Cause frankly NO ONE GIVES A SHIT!
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
ROUND 2- the sequels are never as good as the originals, though
(Shameless self-promotion of original)
We seem to very set in our ways and condemn those who attempt to change the status quo. When someone is trying to reform the system, more than a few people will see it as an attempt to undermine the country. We tend to like things as they are and it takes some doing to get a change in motion. If anyone from outside this country tells us that we need to change, it'll likely get an answer of, "Screw you, we kicked/saved your ass in the _____ War. The country is historically made up of the whole world, but there are still parts that we do not accept. There is almost a superiority complex present here, where if you find a less-than-intelligent individual, will tell you that we're much better than everyone else, supporting this opinion with a few choice half-truths.
This country aslo likes everything done in our way. We're trying to set Iraq up into an almost Jeffersonian democracy out of a dictatorship with no in-between. The country has also has a history of the whole independence of action. People have historically liked to rely on themselves. They didn't like to take government handouts, which is why we were a bit sluggish during the Great Depression as the citizens didn't like the Social Security Act's way of just handing out cash. We want other countries to be independent, too, though, but still act like us. We thought that the Cubans would've been outraged when Castro took power and that the Bay of Pigs, had it succeeded, would have led to a popular coup. We expected the South and even North Vietnamese to be inspired for a war to flush communism out and embrace capitalism. We wanted Somalia to resolve the clan differences, no matter how different their cultures were. This is similar to Iraq with all the Islam denominations and such fighting where we act as the deadbeat parent with a bland, "stop it" attitude.
(Shameless self-promotion of original)
We seem to very set in our ways and condemn those who attempt to change the status quo. When someone is trying to reform the system, more than a few people will see it as an attempt to undermine the country. We tend to like things as they are and it takes some doing to get a change in motion. If anyone from outside this country tells us that we need to change, it'll likely get an answer of, "Screw you, we kicked/saved your ass in the _____ War. The country is historically made up of the whole world, but there are still parts that we do not accept. There is almost a superiority complex present here, where if you find a less-than-intelligent individual, will tell you that we're much better than everyone else, supporting this opinion with a few choice half-truths.
This country aslo likes everything done in our way. We're trying to set Iraq up into an almost Jeffersonian democracy out of a dictatorship with no in-between. The country has also has a history of the whole independence of action. People have historically liked to rely on themselves. They didn't like to take government handouts, which is why we were a bit sluggish during the Great Depression as the citizens didn't like the Social Security Act's way of just handing out cash. We want other countries to be independent, too, though, but still act like us. We thought that the Cubans would've been outraged when Castro took power and that the Bay of Pigs, had it succeeded, would have led to a popular coup. We expected the South and even North Vietnamese to be inspired for a war to flush communism out and embrace capitalism. We wanted Somalia to resolve the clan differences, no matter how different their cultures were. This is similar to Iraq with all the Islam denominations and such fighting where we act as the deadbeat parent with a bland, "stop it" attitude.
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The only one you 'helped' us with was WW2, and we're still paying you back for that. As for the others, they were your wars and alarmingly similar to the present troubles in the ME. Lesson learnt?...No. You seem to be saying that our gratitude should be obligatory and that what you did then somehow exempts you from your government's behaviour?David.Podedworny wrote:
You know what i'm so sick and tired of? This constant abuse we suffer from the people we helped.
Look at france in WW1 and WW2 us and britain saved their asses from the germans wheres the thanks? Huh? Remember Nam? Why did'nt they help us? they sold weapons to the commies and got many of our men killed!
Look at The Korean War we bailed out the bastards and now they hate us? For what? Is it our fault that kim jong il is running his country like shit. I especially hate it when i watch some student protesters talke about capitolism and how it hurts the working man and they want to re-unify with the north under their terms. Really? You dont like the Ipods and Luxuries you have? Do you really wanna live on a farm in fear hoping that you dont get killed for some BS reason? Do you want your women to be raped everyday?
Afghanistan First off we gave you arms to fight the commies, We gave you food to feed your families when the soviets cut you off, We gave you alot of things to be independent but you threw it all away fro what? An Idealogical state where there is no freewill?
Germany Remember the berlin airlift? Remember how we supplied you food and water? Remember how we stopped you from being punished like before in ww1? Remember when we helped you get revenge on your enemy's?And now your against us for trying to get revenge on our enemy's for 9/11?
Seriously these dumbass's need to stop being pussies and caving into the will of our enemy for fear of retribution and start kicking ass.
I have a message to all those living in fear all around the world.
Britain Stop being scared of another attack, Do what Thatcher did "This is our country if you dont like it leave"
"We wont bend to your demands you bend to ours" And kick em out if they spread hate in your country.
France stop giving into their demands remember Martel? He was'nt against Islam he was against the Idealogy of submission, He held them off for you! For The future generations of his lands. Remember this as you all are debating what should we give them next? Your balls? Or your Lives?
Germany Remember The Holy Roman Empire? Remember how Barbarossa prevented them from taking over? Remember how you fought back and made them live under your rules for a while? Now your sending people into the mosques telling them not to bomb germany since they are sympathetic to their cause.
South Korea What the Fuck are you doing! Ask your parents about how the commies killed your grandparents, Ask them how they tortured your family's for no reason, Look at the bbc documentary's about the nation in an objective way, Dont pity the North Korean Government they are causing their own dowfall, Pity the People and Destroy their government, Or I guess we will have too.
Israel You deserve that land that you had before the 1960's everything else is theirs give it back to them, And if they still attack you take it back.
Spain it's too late you gave into their will i hope we dont have to bail you out.
Australia one day it's gonna be you and us against them hold on buddy we'll make it through.
See i sound like a stereotypical american dont I? Well i'm not i only have these views after listening to my relatives of how life sucked when you lived in fear of an idealogy. Believe me my country hates communsim to the core and would gladly invade and of the fuckers that are left in this world.( If poland and north korea went to war who would win? Who do ya think?)
I swear to god if worse comes to worse and their is no freedom left in this world i'll fight for it no matter what no matter who the enemy is, I wont give up, I wont give in, I will never scared of death or anything for that matter.
Btw: I fucken hate bush i dont support the war in iraq just the troops. Where is their armor? Where are their Humvees with 6-inch titanium plating? Where is their support MR president? And to the democrats! Dont make a repeat of nam again there is no loophole this time, Idealogy is easier to defeat when most of the population is oppressed not just one gender. (Lady's be strong you have your own will)
/rant
(Fuck you liberals and fuck you conservatives)
Like I said before, Europe's been through similar historical events, made the mistakes and are in a good position to criticise, constructive or not. All I'm saying is your government is making the same mistakes, and throwing in some new ones, which will continue to provide ammunition to your critics.
I am sorry, I didn't realize that the EU was made up of just the UK, my fault.fatherted13 wrote:
Christ, i missed that post. How is the UK in any way, shape or form sitting back and watching? We are in Afganistan, and have a significant number of our Armed Forces deployed in Iraq, working with your guys.RicardoBlanco wrote:
You're fighting for yourselves Lowing.lowing wrote:
not really ATG< if it resembled a "big brother", it would help us, instead of sit back and watch as we fight for ALL OF US.
Some interesting posts here...
Good debate.
Good debate.
I don't know why it's so hard to figure out.
People hate Americans because, well, they're all so damned American!
People hate Americans because, well, they're all so damned American!
I do not hate Americans and I do not hate America. I just disagree with a lot of American foreign policy. It's that simple. 'Anti-Americanism' is just a handy word that can be used to make it seem as though questioning your leaders is something wrong (and if you're American something unpatriotic).
To suggest that anti American sentiment comes out of nothing or is not based on any facts is senseless. Why would people choose to dislike the biggest super power in the world for no good reason? I call America out on an issue when I see it as being in the wrong. I do the same with any other nation, and there are plenty of other nations who are just as bad or worse than the US (Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe, China, North Korea etc. etc.)
To all Americans: Look at this way... any of you on this forum who hate the 'terrorist' states and the Islamic fundamentalist nations that are often home to extremist groups and dislike the aggressive rhetoric that you hear coming out of these countries, well that's exactly how a lot of people around the world feel about you. You are seen as being as bad as these nations but in the opposite direction.
To suggest that anti American sentiment comes out of nothing or is not based on any facts is senseless. Why would people choose to dislike the biggest super power in the world for no good reason? I call America out on an issue when I see it as being in the wrong. I do the same with any other nation, and there are plenty of other nations who are just as bad or worse than the US (Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe, China, North Korea etc. etc.)
To all Americans: Look at this way... any of you on this forum who hate the 'terrorist' states and the Islamic fundamentalist nations that are often home to extremist groups and dislike the aggressive rhetoric that you hear coming out of these countries, well that's exactly how a lot of people around the world feel about you. You are seen as being as bad as these nations but in the opposite direction.
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I'd have to say DesertFox423 has probably some of the best reasons as to why people have such an Anti-American sentiment.
I doubt it can be denied that following the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the USSR, the US has emerged as a world 'super/hyper'power. Following our whole phase of isolationism from early 1900s to 1945ish, we've started to walk onto the world stage. Now I guess we have an obligation to help and do things to help out in the world; but we seem to have a disregard (perhaps not a complete disregard but more of a lack of understanding) for other, distinct cultures. Like DesertFox423 said, we're pushing for harmony in a society that cannot comprehend our brand of harmony. We're like the parent that tells the kid to stop doing something without fully understanding the reasons why the kid is doing something.
America always had a long standing sense of independance and autonomy. Although the US was orignally a colony of Britain, it remained for the most part, quite independant from Britain. It almost seems as if we have a moral obligation to spread that spirit of independance throughout the world; the reason why people may hate us, because it seems so condescending. We push for equal rights and try to foster democracy in places that have a long way to go before allowing those ideals to grow there. We're pushing democracy into Iraq, forcing a country under dictator rule for a long time to switch, almost immediately, into a democracy. You can't get adjusted quickly to the light after being in the dark for a long time nor can you adjust to the dark after being in the light a long time.
It can also be the fact that the media has a huge influence around the world. Again, like what DesertFox said before, American media perverts our image around the world by broadcasting reality TV where either people fight each other or rich people show off their exploits; despite the fact that this is a very small minority of people in the US. I'd assume that people see that as completely wasteful, seeing as there are millions of people around the world who can't afford the luxuries or even the comfortable standard of living the media so commonly broadcasts. The US was also the first country to begin to popularize fast food; an obviously unhealthy trend occured soon after. The logos for McDonalds and Coca-Cola are now far more recognized than almost any other brand of idea throughout the world. Mix that with the unhealthy effects of Fast Food and you get a lot of people dissatisfied with the influence of fast food. Top that off with the fact that Fast food comes from America (mostly), and people will put the cause and blame on America, with the effect being fatter kids and unhealthier lifestyles throughout the world - leading to dislike for America.
I don't know if I made any sense seeing as a lot of this was written on and off (I was distracted a lot), but this is just my $.02 on why people have such dislike for us.
I doubt it can be denied that following the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the USSR, the US has emerged as a world 'super/hyper'power. Following our whole phase of isolationism from early 1900s to 1945ish, we've started to walk onto the world stage. Now I guess we have an obligation to help and do things to help out in the world; but we seem to have a disregard (perhaps not a complete disregard but more of a lack of understanding) for other, distinct cultures. Like DesertFox423 said, we're pushing for harmony in a society that cannot comprehend our brand of harmony. We're like the parent that tells the kid to stop doing something without fully understanding the reasons why the kid is doing something.
America always had a long standing sense of independance and autonomy. Although the US was orignally a colony of Britain, it remained for the most part, quite independant from Britain. It almost seems as if we have a moral obligation to spread that spirit of independance throughout the world; the reason why people may hate us, because it seems so condescending. We push for equal rights and try to foster democracy in places that have a long way to go before allowing those ideals to grow there. We're pushing democracy into Iraq, forcing a country under dictator rule for a long time to switch, almost immediately, into a democracy. You can't get adjusted quickly to the light after being in the dark for a long time nor can you adjust to the dark after being in the light a long time.
It can also be the fact that the media has a huge influence around the world. Again, like what DesertFox said before, American media perverts our image around the world by broadcasting reality TV where either people fight each other or rich people show off their exploits; despite the fact that this is a very small minority of people in the US. I'd assume that people see that as completely wasteful, seeing as there are millions of people around the world who can't afford the luxuries or even the comfortable standard of living the media so commonly broadcasts. The US was also the first country to begin to popularize fast food; an obviously unhealthy trend occured soon after. The logos for McDonalds and Coca-Cola are now far more recognized than almost any other brand of idea throughout the world. Mix that with the unhealthy effects of Fast Food and you get a lot of people dissatisfied with the influence of fast food. Top that off with the fact that Fast food comes from America (mostly), and people will put the cause and blame on America, with the effect being fatter kids and unhealthier lifestyles throughout the world - leading to dislike for America.
I don't know if I made any sense seeing as a lot of this was written on and off (I was distracted a lot), but this is just my $.02 on why people have such dislike for us.
Who cares, they can kiss my ass.
Yeah... consider the food(coke), medicine(narcotics), goods(toy figures) and services(pornpography) america exports..they are so righteous....(sarcasm)ATG wrote:
Would you like a tissue? Your frothing at the mouth and the drool is splattering everywhere.m3thod wrote:
This bitch captures what most people think,
Most people bear no animosity towards the Americans and care little what they do on their own soil. They do, however, bitterly resent the ultra-violent foreign policy of the US government. With its love for wars of aggression, the principal exports of the US are suffering, death and destruction. And of course its blind support to Israel in the enslavement of the Palestinian people is monstrous and unforgiveable.
Annie McStravick, Paris
Do you have any idea how much food, medicine and goods and services the United States exports every year?
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Dont worry about Atg, he's got mental problems and is wishy washy in his opinions...
I dunno Israel is pretty small and it hold influence in the global theater. Also the reason no is singing Ameriucan praises now is the reasaon for this thread. The answer is jealousy. So answer me this one, if everyone hates us, why is everyone in line to take aid from us?? With that little twist, who looks like the true schmucks now?fatherted13 wrote:
Creating countrys was a bit of bad terminology, sorry. Colonising would be much better. USA, Austrailia, Falkland Islands etc. And just a Island in the Atlantic Ocean? Sorry, if you think Britain is a small significant island your mistaken. For a start, geographically you're wrong. Northen Island is a seperate island, the Isle of Man etc. Also, if we are so small, how come we hold such influence in the global theatre? And so many states hold such respect for us in the world. And im sorry, this isn't a dig at Americans in general, but i don't hear the world singing songs of praise for the U.S.A right now.lowing wrote:
England created countries?? Not being a smart ass. Enlighten me please.fatherted13 wrote:
False. The British Empire practically created whole countrys, and without it, you, Americans, using our language, possibly wouldn't exist
Anyway, even if ya did, creating them doesn't count when all you have to show for it is an Island in the the Atlantic Ocean
Over here theres all the current events-inspired usual stuff, but also the ANZUS/nuclear issue.
In a nutshell, we were pissed at nuclear stuff and banned nuclear power & weapons from our territory. The US wouldn't say whether or not vessels which were to visit our ports had nuclear weapons so we said "no visits". The US decided it didn't want to play any more and a bunch of kiwis got even more pissed, viewing the US's actions with disdain. Then some dirty french terrorists bombed a greenpeace vessel that was docked in Auckland. They were caught, tried and sent to a french prison after UN mediation. And quickly released & given medals. It should be noted that the UK has had no problem saying "Yeah, this ships nuclear free".
This, of course, led to a great amount of anti-nuclear feeling, directed largely at those "nuclear nations" we saw as having dicked us round; namely the US and France. In a way, defiance of the US has become part of our national identity.
Incidently, going nuclear-free mean't that the Russians stopped aiming nukes at us (there were at least three), and it did our foreign relations with arab states a lot of good.
In a nutshell, we were pissed at nuclear stuff and banned nuclear power & weapons from our territory. The US wouldn't say whether or not vessels which were to visit our ports had nuclear weapons so we said "no visits". The US decided it didn't want to play any more and a bunch of kiwis got even more pissed, viewing the US's actions with disdain. Then some dirty french terrorists bombed a greenpeace vessel that was docked in Auckland. They were caught, tried and sent to a french prison after UN mediation. And quickly released & given medals. It should be noted that the UK has had no problem saying "Yeah, this ships nuclear free".
This, of course, led to a great amount of anti-nuclear feeling, directed largely at those "nuclear nations" we saw as having dicked us round; namely the US and France. In a way, defiance of the US has become part of our national identity.
Incidently, going nuclear-free mean't that the Russians stopped aiming nukes at us (there were at least three), and it did our foreign relations with arab states a lot of good.
First off Northern Ireland (I presume that's what you meant by Northen Island?) is not a separate island. It's part of the island of Ireland, 26 counties of which belong to the Republic of Ireland with the other 6 counties pending.lowing wrote:
I dunno Israel is pretty small and it hold influence in the global theater. Also the reason no is singing Ameriucan praises now is the reasaon for this thread. The answer is jealousy. So answer me this one, if everyone hates us, why is everyone in line to take aid from us?? With that little twist, who looks like the true schmucks now?fatherted13 wrote:
Creating countrys was a bit of bad terminology, sorry. Colonising would be much better. USA, Austrailia, Falkland Islands etc. And just a Island in the Atlantic Ocean? Sorry, if you think Britain is a small significant island your mistaken. For a start, geographically you're wrong. Northen Island is a seperate island, the Isle of Man etc. Also, if we are so small, how come we hold such influence in the global theatre? And so many states hold such respect for us in the world. And im sorry, this isn't a dig at Americans in general, but i don't hear the world singing songs of praise for the U.S.A right now.lowing wrote:
England created countries?? Not being a smart ass. Enlighten me please.
Anyway, even if ya did, creating them doesn't count when all you have to show for it is an Island in the the Atlantic Ocean
Britain does not have nearly as much influence on the world stage anymore, as discussed in a thread I began a while back http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=68738&p=1 ...other nations aren't showing nearly as much respect to Britain as they once would have.
To Lowing's comment about jealousy: I suppose you could look at it like that from some nations' perspectives but I don't think it's true in every case. Many European countries actually look down on Americans, like rich people with no class or culture (for want of a better example - I don't actually mean to insult) and hold no desire to be in anyway similar to them. We are also quite rich here in Europe so financially we have no reason to be jealous.
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Then could it be sour grapes? Lets face it, the EU folks are just as arrogant as any in the US. The only difference is, the peacocks in the US have land, big cars, big houses, and most of all, ELBOW ROOM.Braddock wrote:
First off Northern Ireland (I presume that's what you meant by Northen Island?) is not a separate island. It's part of the island of Ireland, 26 counties of which belong to the Republic of Ireland with the other 6 counties pending.lowing wrote:
I dunno Israel is pretty small and it hold influence in the global theater. Also the reason no is singing Ameriucan praises now is the reasaon for this thread. The answer is jealousy. So answer me this one, if everyone hates us, why is everyone in line to take aid from us?? With that little twist, who looks like the true schmucks now?fatherted13 wrote:
Creating countrys was a bit of bad terminology, sorry. Colonising would be much better. USA, Austrailia, Falkland Islands etc. And just a Island in the Atlantic Ocean? Sorry, if you think Britain is a small significant island your mistaken. For a start, geographically you're wrong. Northen Island is a seperate island, the Isle of Man etc. Also, if we are so small, how come we hold such influence in the global theatre? And so many states hold such respect for us in the world. And im sorry, this isn't a dig at Americans in general, but i don't hear the world singing songs of praise for the U.S.A right now.
Britain does not have nearly as much influence on the world stage anymore, as discussed in a thread I began a while back http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=68738&p=1 ...other nations aren't showing nearly as much respect to Britain as they once would have.
To Lowing's comment about jealousy: I suppose you could look at it like that from some nations' perspectives but I don't think it's true in every case. Many European countries actually look down on Americans, like rich people with no class or culture (for want of a better example - I don't actually mean to insult) and hold no desire to be in anyway similar to them. We are also quite rich here in Europe so financially we have no reason to be jealous.
The one thing that I do give credit to the EU folks is this: You look at life as too short and worth enjoying. In short, you work to live, in America, we tend to live to work.
Really? Ask the brits who made them help you? Still payin us back? How? You fucked us over in nam and you still dont understand the concept of self defense! We only initiated these wars because we want to prevent another mass genocide! If your country had any balls they would step up to the plate with sudan! Not bend to the mosque leaders demands to stay out. I'm not saying you should be permanently obliged to us. All i'm saying is help us out once in a while when we need it so we dont have any more hitlers or stalins.RicardoBlanco wrote:
The only one you 'helped' us with was WW2, and we're still paying you back for that. As for the others, they were your wars and alarmingly similar to the present troubles in the ME. Lesson learnt?...No. You seem to be saying that our gratitude should be obligatory and that what you did then somehow exempts you from your government's behaviour?
We all make mistakes, If america is heading down the same road as europe then we should not make the same mistakes as you, I dont wake america to be like europe or any land that out of fear gives up their freedom for security(I'm glad that there are protests against bush it shows how much freedom we still have)RicardoBlanco wrote:
Like I said before, Europe's been through similar historical events, made the mistakes and are in a good position to criticise, constructive or not. All I'm saying is your government is making the same mistakes, and throwing in some new ones, which will continue to provide ammunition to your critics.
Look at yourselves in spain the madrid bombings, the people got scared and voted for a party that wanted to pull out, They gave in! Just like your doing to the youth of the country(I'm only 18) Your giving in outta fear! Wheres your Frankish pride? Remember Charlamagne? No i guess not.
Stop being afraid damnit! We are not we dotn care about the damn critics we'd rather invade a country and have the world hate us now then leave it be and in 20 years have them hate us forever.
Listen man i dont hate you i hate your nations politics like you hate mine but when shit goes down whos there always to bail ya out? Us but we never get credit I am personally sick of it to tell you the truth, I'm sick of having hippies protest war vets, I'm sick of having the world beg us fro help one moment then the next protest us, I'm sick of it! When your nation is taken over again by another idealogy who do you think will help you? Britain? They hate your guts, Australia? They dont give a fuck about you anymore, Us? Maybe if i'm president Maybe if it's some uber conservative then no, Some pussy ass liberal who cares about public opinion, Yes.
One day i bet that the world will turn against america all those we helped will turn their backs, Our enemy's will attack us and we will retaliate one final time bringing an end to all Idealogy's that go against the 3 laws of the Humans "Freewill,Contradiction, And Self" If you dont know what these laws i wont blame you.
Humans are not perfect we never where whether Created by God, Shaped by Evolution, Or By another force,
We will always have the 3 sides fighting,
Dicks(people who fight only when threatened or needed for freewill) Pussy's(People who only care about themselves ,their ego's, they abuse other's and have only one thing in mind Self) And Assholes(People who wrong each other to get their own way, No matter how good it is they still see something wrong and use it to spread their message of hate and lie and contradict themselves when faced with the facts)
I know what side i am, I value freewill above anything else i'd rather die then give in to any one idealogy, Whether it be living in Christian state with no stem cell research(I only support the ones that dont destroy life) and all abortions are illegal(even one's that save the life of the mother) A communist state where people do not believe in a higher power(I dont mean god i mean spiritually) just the physical world they place no value on new life just their own, Or an Islamic state and i dont need to define that.
There are people in Europe that are horribly arrogant (without going purely by stereotypes of course!), I've experienced a lot of that in France (white French more so than North African French). Don't know quite where you're going with the elbow room comment ...we haven't ran out of space here in Europe quite yet. And we do have big houses and cars etc. here too. You've hit the nail on the head with your last comment though, I do love the view that life is for living and in Ireland we definitely work to live and not vice versa. What's the point in having all the luxuries of life if you don't get to enjoy them?lowing wrote:
Then could it be sour grapes? Lets face it, the EU folks are just as arrogant as any in the US. The only difference is, the peacocks in the US have land, big cars, big houses, and most of all, ELBOW ROOM.Braddock wrote:
First off Northern Ireland (I presume that's what you meant by Northen Island?) is not a separate island. It's part of the island of Ireland, 26 counties of which belong to the Republic of Ireland with the other 6 counties pending.lowing wrote:
I dunno Israel is pretty small and it hold influence in the global theater. Also the reason no is singing Ameriucan praises now is the reasaon for this thread. The answer is jealousy. So answer me this one, if everyone hates us, why is everyone in line to take aid from us?? With that little twist, who looks like the true schmucks now?
Britain does not have nearly as much influence on the world stage anymore, as discussed in a thread I began a while back http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=68738&p=1 ...other nations aren't showing nearly as much respect to Britain as they once would have.
To Lowing's comment about jealousy: I suppose you could look at it like that from some nations' perspectives but I don't think it's true in every case. Many European countries actually look down on Americans, like rich people with no class or culture (for want of a better example - I don't actually mean to insult) and hold no desire to be in anyway similar to them. We are also quite rich here in Europe so financially we have no reason to be jealous.
The one thing that I do give credit to the EU folks is this: You look at life as too short and worth enjoying. In short, you work to live, in America, we tend to live to work.
I am British and we're still paying you back for the loans made during WW2. FFS read a little history before you enter the debate. How, exactly, did we fuck you over in 'Nam??? You did that all on your own. My argument is Europe has had it's days of warmongering and we now have other ways to get what we want. Diplomacy can work wonders sometimes. If your government insists on using force to get what it wants you will, quite rightly, draw criticism.David.Podedworny wrote:
Really? Ask the brits who made them help you? Still payin us back? How? You fucked us over in nam and you still dont understand the concept of self defense! We only initiated these wars because we want to prevent another mass genocide! If your country had any balls they would step up to the plate with sudan! Not bend to the mosque leaders demands to stay out. I'm not saying you should be permanently obliged to us. All i'm saying is help us out once in a while when we need it so we dont have any more hitlers or stalins.
I think the final payment was made to the US in relation to land-lease.RicardoBlanco wrote:
I am British and we're still paying you back for the loans made during WW2. FFS read a little history before you enter the debate. How, exactly, did we fuck you over in 'Nam??? You did that all on your own. My argument is Europe has had it's days of warmongering and we now have other ways to get what we want. Diplomacy can work wonders sometimes. If your government insists on using force to get what it wants you will, quite rightly, draw criticism.David.Podedworny wrote:
Really? Ask the brits who made them help you? Still payin us back? How? You fucked us over in nam and you still dont understand the concept of self defense! We only initiated these wars because we want to prevent another mass genocide! If your country had any balls they would step up to the plate with sudan! Not bend to the mosque leaders demands to stay out. I'm not saying you should be permanently obliged to us. All i'm saying is help us out once in a while when we need it so we dont have any more hitlers or stalins.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
I'm not really anti American at all, granted there are somethings that really fuck me off about the yanks, but then theres a few things l hate about Blighty at the moment too, like that oxygen thief in number 10 Blair!
The yanks l have noticed have some arrogance about them, but alot of it is them defending their own country on stuff like this.
However l dislike the way we are portrayed to the Yanks in films and the way Hollywood tries to re write history through movies like U571. which dishonors the memory of HMS Bulldog and its crew. I dislike the fact that alot of yanks think that if it was'nt for them then we (The British) would be under Germany's command.
I'm also very unhappy that America (not all of them) help fund the IRA for the past 30 years and l ended up on the receiving end of some of that stuff. Also there seem to be a problem with the amount of FF causalities that the Americans forces course, l understand accidents do happen, but alot of them could have been avoided.
This is some of the reasons why l dislike the yanks, but l'm not Anti American. You helped us out during the Falklands by given us aviation fuel which went to the longest bombing run ever. You helped us out During World War 2 when you joined. You do have a large Armed force and l'd rather be allies with you than Europe and lat but not least you do have some fucking outstanding chicks!
The yanks l have noticed have some arrogance about them, but alot of it is them defending their own country on stuff like this.
However l dislike the way we are portrayed to the Yanks in films and the way Hollywood tries to re write history through movies like U571. which dishonors the memory of HMS Bulldog and its crew. I dislike the fact that alot of yanks think that if it was'nt for them then we (The British) would be under Germany's command.
I'm also very unhappy that America (not all of them) help fund the IRA for the past 30 years and l ended up on the receiving end of some of that stuff. Also there seem to be a problem with the amount of FF causalities that the Americans forces course, l understand accidents do happen, but alot of them could have been avoided.
This is some of the reasons why l dislike the yanks, but l'm not Anti American. You helped us out during the Falklands by given us aviation fuel which went to the longest bombing run ever. You helped us out During World War 2 when you joined. You do have a large Armed force and l'd rather be allies with you than Europe and lat but not least you do have some fucking outstanding chicks!
Yes The UK is such a perfect country....They never do anything wrong, its all America's fault.m3thod wrote:
Get over yourself. I couldn't care less about you and your beloved people.ATG wrote:
Would you like a tissue? Your frothing at the mouth and the drool is splattering everywhere.m3thod wrote:
This bitch captures what most people think,
Most people bear no animosity towards the Americans and care little what they do on their own soil. They do, however, bitterly resent the ultra-violent foreign policy of the US government. With its love for wars of aggression, the principal exports of the US are suffering, death and destruction. And of course its blind support to Israel in the enslavement of the Palestinian people is monstrous and unforgiveable.
Annie McStravick, Paris
Do you have any idea how much food, medicine and goods and services the United States exports every year?
keep your fucking medicine and your godforsaken bombs within your own borders and shove your foreign policy.
In fairness this thread was intended to discuss anti-American sentiment and it's roots, are we only allowed to make comments if we come from completely innocent countries ourselves? There won't be many posts if that's the case!CannonFodder11b wrote:
Yes The UK is such a perfect country....They never do anything wrong, its all America's fault.m3thod wrote:
Get over yourself. I couldn't care less about you and your beloved people.ATG wrote:
Would you like a tissue? Your frothing at the mouth and the drool is splattering everywhere.
Do you have any idea how much food, medicine and goods and services the United States exports every year?
keep your fucking medicine and your godforsaken bombs within your own borders and shove your foreign policy.
From what I have heard especally in the UK, the population is growing and land is scarce or priced through the roof only the rich can afford it. Is over crowding in Europe not a problem? Or am I mistaken??Braddock wrote:
There are people in Europe that are horribly arrogant (without going purely by stereotypes of course!), I've experienced a lot of that in France (white French more so than North African French). Don't know quite where you're going with the elbow room comment ...we haven't ran out of space here in Europe quite yet. And we do have big houses and cars etc. here too. You've hit the nail on the head with your last comment though, I do love the view that life is for living and in Ireland we definitely work to live and not vice versa. What's the point in having all the luxuries of life if you don't get to enjoy them?lowing wrote:
Then could it be sour grapes? Lets face it, the EU folks are just as arrogant as any in the US. The only difference is, the peacocks in the US have land, big cars, big houses, and most of all, ELBOW ROOM.Braddock wrote:
First off Northern Ireland (I presume that's what you meant by Northen Island?) is not a separate island. It's part of the island of Ireland, 26 counties of which belong to the Republic of Ireland with the other 6 counties pending.
Britain does not have nearly as much influence on the world stage anymore, as discussed in a thread I began a while back http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=68738&p=1 ...other nations aren't showing nearly as much respect to Britain as they once would have.
To Lowing's comment about jealousy: I suppose you could look at it like that from some nations' perspectives but I don't think it's true in every case. Many European countries actually look down on Americans, like rich people with no class or culture (for want of a better example - I don't actually mean to insult) and hold no desire to be in anyway similar to them. We are also quite rich here in Europe so financially we have no reason to be jealous.
The one thing that I do give credit to the EU folks is this: You look at life as too short and worth enjoying. In short, you work to live, in America, we tend to live to work.
Theres a no problem with that, only with blaiming everything and turning a blind eye to ones own fucked up country. But thena gain I guess The UK peoples dont wanna hear anything about how soup they're country is.
Have a quick search around the forums, you wont find me defending its recent rehensible warmongering behaviour and nor will you find me defending or gloating about its colonial past.CannonFodder11b wrote:
Yes The UK is such a perfect country....They never do anything wrong, its all America's fault.m3thod wrote:
Get over yourself. I couldn't care less about you and your beloved people.ATG wrote:
Would you like a tissue? Your frothing at the mouth and the drool is splattering everywhere.
Do you have any idea how much food, medicine and goods and services the United States exports every year?
keep your fucking medicine and your godforsaken bombs within your own borders and shove your foreign policy.
So hmmm, just what is my beef? BASTARDS that run your and my country!
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.