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Gun ownership in the US is not going to become illegal any time soon.  We can argue stats or personal opinions and compare vastly different societies, but in the end it does nothing.  We (the US particularly) need to take steps for these types of things to become less and less prevalent.

Gun Control DOES work!  People, you are willing to give up your personal privacy freedoms for a supposed threat, but not willing to give up certain freedoms in relation to guns?

This goes to anyone here who owns a gun - Would you have a problem with government mandated check-ups on your gun?  Would you have a problem with monthly/semiannual/annual visits to your house by the ATF&E to make sure your guns were properly secured?

Guns are obtained illegally, without a doubt.  Gun control legislation can stop these guns from being obtained.  As I said before, in a post nobody seems to care about, we need to stop people from supplying illegal guns.  There are two main ways weapons are obtained on the black market- people with clean records (friends, wives, relatives) buying guns for people that can't (felons); and people stealing guns from legal owners.  Let's be rational and logical about how we can at least minimize these two ways.

Require gun safes/secure areas for all gun storage.  Require annual check-ins/check ups for gun owners.  That will stop a good amount of gun-related crime.

Acquire a database of all gun purchases.  That will stop me from going to 10 different gun shops and loading up on 10 different weapons that I will then sell downtown to people I have never met.

Require gun manufacturers to implement more secure, traceable features in their product.  As I said earlier, we can have GPS in our cell phones and cars, but not a weapon?

The problem is, like I said before, that the NRA (the nut-jobs in it anyway) see any type of gun legislation as bad legislation.  That is not the case.  It takes us as citizens to make sure that our rights are not trampled by those that abuse the right.

Anyone disagree? 

Ok guys, now that you read this, keep on wasting breath about how gun ownership should be illegal in the US.  That is not happening in our lifetimes, so keep providing those statistics, which all you have manipulated to serve your own ideals.

We are childish because we do not want guns.

Right.

Cougar wrote:

Shem wrote:

We playing with different statistics, we are talking about deaths, where as you are talking about all crime involving a gun.

We may be a small Island however you only have 3 times the amount of people as us, and over 40x (using your source) the amount of gun crime, heres another link on how restricting gun laws has lowered crime:

http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/gunaus.htm

40 times at much my ass.  I don't know where you found that number but from what I dug up it appeared we had  around 7 times as much.  While it's not good, I still point out the fact that 80% of the gun crimes in America are committed with guns that were obtained through illegal methods..

And if you eliminate those 20 other percent, you still have a massive drop in crime! Good job!
20% of a massive number is still huge!

-konfusion

PS: I'm horrified at the crime rate in Switzerland - especially recently.

there is no good in having guns in our society except for law enforcement. Seriously you can live without guns just ask anyone who knows someone killed from one. Every one of you who say people should still be able to buy guns obviously have never had someone they known killed by one. They arent like vehicles, we dont need them ffs

d.cripz wrote:

there is no good in having guns in our society except for law enforcement.

Have you ever owned a ranch with cattle in Montana?

d.cripz wrote:

there is no good in having guns in our society except for law enforcement. Seriously you can live without guns just ask anyone who knows someone killed from one. Every one of you who say people should still be able to buy guns obviously have never had someone they known killed by one. They arent like vehicles, we dont need them ffs

Wow ... I'm glad you know me so well.... but I disagree,  even though my friend here that I worked with for 4 years http://www.odmp.org/officer.php?oid=18452
and here
http://www.odmp.org/officer.php?oid=16847
were killed by "guns" as you put it, I don't blame the gun since really they were killed by the PERSONS holding the guns,  those that think guns are the root of the problem of murder just don't get it do they.  But that is to be expected since the media has been pumping their brain full of "guns are bad mmmm... OK" since birth in the late 70's,  be sure to keep believing all that the media throws at you, that is what they really want anyway.   The real issue here is since we as a society can't seem to punish those that commit crimes anymore we have to find another bad guy and right now that is MR Gun....  an inanimate object left to his own devices laying on a table wouldn't  hurt anyone, a person, SOMEONE  has to chamber a round AND pull the trigger - but of course we quickly forget about him don't we........

FeedUsYourFetus wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

d.cripz wrote:

there is no good in having guns in our society except for law enforcement.

Have you ever owned a ranch with cattle in Montana?

Have you ever just fucking wanted a gun?  I did.  So now I own eight of them.  Why is that good?  Cause I was FREE to do so.

Now we can debate back and forth for ages about whether owning guns should be allowed....and you gun control dorks just won't admit that you're wrong (cause you are).  So, I end the conversation as follows:  If you want my guns, come TAKE them.  You better have really good arguments, statistics, and debating skills....cause I'm going to have bullets.

KiL

I am not saying you shouldn't own a gun.

Cougar wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

...and how would that stop the illegal acquisition of firearms?

Actually, it almost sounds as if he is advocating selling them illegally..

Do we know where the weapons came from?

Braddock wrote:

The whole thing is a tragedy. America needs to face the fact that they're not living in the wild west anymore and properly regulate gun control throughout all the states. Assholes like this guy shouldn't be given any help in carrying out this kind of massacre and that's what the non existent gun controls do.

You guys are missing the point.  Regulating gun control wouldn't stop violent crimes such as this.  If someone wants to shoot up a school and can't buy a gun legally, they would just go buy one illegally.

The type of people who do shit like this don't care about gun laws.  Having legal firearms sales just makes it easier to track where the gun came from and who bought it once a crime has been committed.

great, we can track it better.  Too bad 32 people are already dead and the guy who you would punish killed himself.  But at least we know where it came from right! awesome

Do you think if guns were illegal.......and so well controlled that he couldn't have gotten one even if he wanted to......that he wouldn't have found another way to go on a killing spree?  Knife? Motor vehicle? Gasoline? Hammer? Chainsaw? Piano wire?

KiL

FeedUsYourFetus wrote:

Do you think if guns were illegal.......and so well controlled that he couldn't have gotten one even if he wanted to......that he wouldn't have found another way to go on a killing spree?  Knife? Motor vehicle? Gasoline? Hammer? Chainsaw? Piano wire?

KiL

For real.  If I had it in my mind I wanted to kill a lot of people, and guns were banned, I could find something to do the job.  And what I could find would be a hell of a lot easier to get my hands on then a gun.

wah1188 wrote:

guns are effective killing machines.

So are bottles filled with gasoline.

Last edited by usmarine2005 (2007-04-17 19:59:01)

wah1188 wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

wah1188 wrote:

guns are effective killing machines.

So are bottles filled with gasoline.

Easier to run from besides ain't you ever heard of stop drop and roll?
Besides I ain't really against guns theres always gonna be one nobhead out of a million.

A lot of people die from the infections caused by the burns.  But, you are correct about the "nobheads."

wah1188 wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

wah1188 wrote:

Easier to run from besides ain't you ever heard of stop drop and roll?
Besides I ain't really against guns theres always gonna be one nobhead out of a million.

A lot of people die from the infections caused by the burns.  But, you are correct about the "nobheads."

I'll be honest though a gun ammesty probably won't do any good anyway, we had a knife ammesty and I swear to god people started stabbing people alot more. Maybe education is the key or everyone needs to make friends with loners so they don't feel the need to go on a killing spree.

Well put....  education really is the key....  finally a comment that makes sense and gives me a little hope for the future.

Last edited by [FHB]Unit44 (2007-04-17 20:12:14)