BF2S Forums The realities of Claymores and Idiot Team Members.

1) You're a squad leader and you place down claymores, yet still functioning as a spawn point for your squad.  You continuously TK your teammates becasue they spawn on top of them and cannot move.  You stupid fucking idiot.

2) You place claymores in a high traffic FRIENDLY SPAWN AREA to try and kill 1 enemy that's already been cut down by your teammates.  They run around a corner into it.  You stupid fucking idiot.

3) You get out of a tank to put a claymore down?  I don't know what the hell you were talking about in number 4, but if you're a sniper in a tank you're a retard.  Furthermore, if you get OUT of the tank to kill someone, you are indeed a stupid fucking idiot.

4)  You put down a claymore near a friendly UAV - the enemy destroys the UAV, but kills himself, and your claymore is still there.  A teammate goes up to fix the UAV and is killed by your claymore.  You stupid fucking idiot.

50% of claymore TKs are the claymore layers fault.  Many times if I get TKed by a claymore, it's because I'd alt tabbed into the game to minimize it, and I don't realize that all my warnings (such as flags and the skull and crossbones) do not show up.  I usually don't punish for this, unless the claymore was so EGREGIOUSLY placed that I was TKed by it because it seriously was the worst place to put it.

One thing I hate is people that put claymores ontop of ladders. Why? Surely there's an equally good place to put them, that a careful teammate with a warning and knowledge of a claymore could then use to walk around that claymore, while your average blundering enemy/teammate won't notice the skull and blow themselves to hell.

Or perhaps when you're up on your little perch, you don't want first aid, or ammo...

i have to agree with infinite on a few of his point and Teh cant you read with the knowledge of his BEING A SNIPER and if he was going to kill an ANTI TANK guy means he was going to snipe him Geez i wish people would read a bit more closely but back to subject i always place myself in out of the way far off places and tell people to STAY THE FCK AWAY but yet someone will always run up to me to try and do something (be it try to take advantage of my hiding place with his nice loud MG or try and resupply me even though i DONT WANT IT OR NEED IT) and if i need ammo i drop a grenade on my clays AND then go look for resupply.


My Favourite Rant is when im sniping in a nice spot like in the Zatar wetlands just in the reeds and low and behold a squad mate shows up in a blackhawk and proceeds to tell me to get in all the time attracting everyones attention to me and what happens a nice MEC chopper comes over and kills him and then proceeds to try and find what he was hovering there for and finds me in the brush dont need to be a Harvard man to work out what happens next.

Everyone, DO NOT EVER LOOSE YOUR ABILITY TO SEE FRIENDLY SKULLS!

Be cautious my good friends. Most people can tell what a good place to lay a claymore down. Don't just go barreling around corners without some caution - there could be an enemy waiting to kill you, or a friendly or enemy claymore. I myself always hesitate before climbing that last bit of ladder. You can stick your head up enough to see an enemy claymore without it ging off, do the same everytime on all ladders. It could be enemy or friend, but nevertheless, if you don't trip it, you don't die, which should be an insentive for anyone. I climbed a high ladder where there were two Snipers camping it out on Leviathan. I saw there was a Claymore on the top, so decided to climb down. there was a friendly soldier below me, who climbed on past me and didn't exercise the same caution I did so got a face full of shrapnel. I was free to climb up to the top and score two really easy knife kills. Caution rules!

Sometimes Snipers lay claymores on the tops of stairs. You can creep up slowly and see it before it sees you, which is especially great if you are an engineer - you can defuse it without it going off, you will be in 'range' so to speak. If you can't get rid of it, leave it. You know there will be a Sniper there, so see if you can't shoot him from below his position. After that, if you really need to climb those stairs, you can wait until the claymore pisses off. I myself have been lucky on Karkand, (the map that I mostly play Engineer on,) and climbed some stairs slowly and saw a claymore. I calmly took out my wrench and was in range to defuse it. After it was gone I got to the roof and fired a shotgun cartridge into the Sniper's head - the last thing he was expecting. Caution rocks!

Regarding claymores around corners, you can look around corners, like holes in fences. If you want to look right, move your soldier to the left of the hole and direct his eyes at the hole. You will see if there is anyone waiting for you, or if anyone has laid a claymore for you. Also works for C4. Often people lay C4 at a poin they know people will walk through. If you see claymores or C4, don't go through it. there are other ways around. I actually don't have a good example for this, but I have done it before and found enemy soldiers. It's great to know that they were here on this stakeout knowing that they'd score some easy kills, with you being able to say 'killing me is never easy! Hah!'

I myself havn't been killed by a claymore for as long as I can remember, (I have been killed before but it was a long time ago, and only being once or twice. Literally. Friendly and Enemy) I've seen a shitload of them, but just because they're there, I'm not going to set them off.

Use caution and friendly or enemy claymores will not be a worry to you, so debates about wether or not you should have punished a person who hid a friendly claymore that you set off will not worry you any more. It is awesome to kill people who really don't expect you to have a chance.

This used to bug me to hell and back!
I have since learned to place my claymores more effectively and still protect myself (look at my clays stats…) however there are still people who will just go that extra mile for the power-up / punish combo.
I hate to say it but if they really are that intent on killing themselves just to punish me for it I tend to give them a 2 for 1 deal and shoot them in the head the next time I see them.
I am commonly (or was – I have moved away from sniping recently) a sniper squad leader and I communicate a claymores position over VOIP to any squad-mates spawning on me, if they still run into it they get kicked from my squad. Also, if I cannot guarantee the next bloke running round the corner is gonna be a red, I blow my mine before I leave my position. I still incur the odd tk from these lovingly placed parcels but generally the person realises their error and does not punish - hell some even apologise for wasting my “kill box”.
The patch and picking up my clays will give me a whole new love of sniping I suspect!

Kooda

dracul wrote:

99% of the time its not the snipers fault

BS.
I've lost count of how many times snipers will take positions up ladders in *strongly held* friendly territory, and the place a claymore behind them.
They are no less responsible for the tk than if they had just chucked a hand-grenade into an alley that turns out to have friendlies in it.

This might be true if the grenade had a loudspeaker that said "HEY EVERYBODY, I'M GOING TO DETONATE SOON... YOU HAVE AMPLE TIME TO CLEAR THIS ALLEY" And perhaps a huge red arrow that pointed at the ground where the grenade landed for a few seconds before it detonated.

But a friendly claymore has a BIG FUCKING RED SKULL AND CROSSBONES, as if to say "STAY THE FUCK AWAY OR YOU WILL CERTAINLY DIE! YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOT!"

And correct me if I'm wrong, but you can see this warning skull & crossbones through walls, stairs and yes, even at the tops of ladders, complete with your current distance from said certain death.


And as for placing them in places where friendlies frequently travel... Well that sounds like the exact same places an enemy will travel when trying to take that flag, or destroy those command assets, or take up that sniping position.

when ever i drop claymores (in a very good enemy infested spot) always a retard team mate runs into it and i bet its on purpose too.

I think that the problem that some people run into with the skull and crossbones (not me personally, but perhaps some) is the fact that you have no idea whether that skull and crossbones means C4, AT Mine, or Claymore until you're very close to it.  If you're close enough to a claymore to determine that's what it is, it's typically too late.

But, I agree with the poster above who mentioned being cautious as the key.  I try to treat every skull and crossbones as if it's a claymore when I am on foot or an AT Mine when in a vehicle.  I error on the side of caution with those things.  My K/D is bad enough as it is, I don't need to shoot myself in the foot (that's me theory on it).

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You stupid fucking idiot!

I love it

all i can say on this subject is that i think its only the sniper who see's the skull and bones on the claymore's and that ive been killed by sum really really fuckin stupid teammate snipers,like puttin claymore's in a very busy flag cap point is just askin for a tk,they are hard to see sumtimes(unless ur a sniper) and i punish everyone of those stupid claymores.a claymore is menna be a personal protection weapon not a flag defend weapon.
use it the way its menna be used.

I agree, if a teammate trips a claymore or runs over a mine it's their own stupid fault. I had a dude one time that WATCHED! me lay down a couple mines (not even in the road but near the flag) and he goes and gets in the jeep and goes to drive away but hit my mine and punishes me. i had a few choise words to say to him.

I know more than a few times people have come to the top of the ladder and not noticed a claymore and kept going....of course there is -4 points for me. Maybe if they do something like diffrent color skull and crossbones for each of the two mines and then the c4 also? just a thought what does everybody think of that idea?