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How is this treason!!!!!!!!!

A woman wants to go and see another country.
Just cause its a terrorist country they all think she's doing something with them.

I think its stupid everyone over reacting.

What if the US guys went over to IRELAND THEY HAVE IRA or use to.

BUT no one will say anything about that.

IF shes not aloud to do what she wants then US is not a Democratic country.

The fact of the matter is that America has spoken: they elected the Democrat Party to power in the house and senate. They essentially rejected the failed policies of the Republican Party. Iran's ONLY crime is to have exercised complete independence and freedom from the USA since the Islamic Revolution: the point in time where the US lost their control over the vast natural resources of Iran. Ever since then a media campaign has sought to demonise Iran, which ordinary Americans shouldn't really care less about given how far a-fucking-way Iran is from them and given the US' vastly superior military (not that Iran would be stupid enough to attack the US). Just like Saddam-era Iraq (which never made an unprovoked attack on the US, it just invaded Kuwait), Iran has no plans to attack the US, a country more than 10,000 miles away. Remember those missing WMD anyone? Iran may want to attack Israel or at least defend itself from them but then again, if you had state terrorists with nuclear missiles at your doorstep wouldn't you? All this sabre-rattling by the US powers-that-be have alarmed Iran and driven them in this direction: towards the procurement of nuclear weapons. If you were a strategiser for Iran the very first thing you would point out is "We need nuclear weapons and fast!".

The Democrat party are rejecting the failed policies of aggression. They're trying something new. If it doesn't work well at least they tried. It won't be any skin of the US' nose. If there is something I've learned from the Northern Ireland peace process it's that sworn enemies must sit down with each other and talk at some point, sooner rather than later. The governments of Iran and Syria are not like your average band of Islamic fundamentalist terrorists that can't be reasoned with: THEY CAN BE REASONED WITH. Successive US administrations have driven Iran and Syria to become what they are today through fomenting suspicion and lack of trust since the 70s and before even. If they could build a little trust and come to some compromises then well wouldn't that be a good thing? You Republicans bring nothing to the table: blood, guts, gore and glory that's all. It has failed. This is not like WWII. There is no Normandy Beach landing. It is inappropriate to analogise using Neville Chamerlain in this instance.

PS Haven't the Republican administration engaged in diplomacy with North Korea? I love the hypocrisy.

PPS Neither Iran nor Syria can harm USA in any meaningful way, shape or form if domestic security is made paramount. I laugh at this ludicrous paranoia. Exploding White House. LOL. Get a fucking grip on reality people.

Please observe the map. Note how the US is far far away from the middle east. Look at how much bigger USA is than Syria and Iran. Airport security, border controls and maritime security are all you fucking need.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-04-14 08:03:15)

CameronPoe wrote:

Iran's ONLY crime is to have exercised complete independence and freedom from the USA since the Islamic Revolution: the point in time where the US lost their control over the vast natural resources of Iran. Ever since then a media campaign has sought to demonise Iran, which ordinary Americans shouldn't really care less about given how far a-fucking-way Iran is from them and given the US' vastly superior military (not that Iran would be stupid enough to attack the US). Just like Saddam-era Iraq (which never made an unprovoked attack on the US, it just invaded Kuwait), Iran has no plans to attack the US, a country more than 10,000 miles away. Remember those missing WMD anyone? Iran may want to attack Israel or at least defend itself from them but then again, if you had state terrorists with nuclear missiles at your doorstep wouldn't you? All this sabre-rattling by the US powers-that-be have alarmed Iran and driven them in this direction: towards the procurement of nuclear weapons. If you were a strategiser for Iran the very first thing you would point out is "We need nuclear weapons and fast!".

Are you saying that Iran does not sponsor international terrorism? And they don't sponsor Hezbollah, which is bringing Syrian influence back into Lebanese politics?

Council on Foreign Relations wrote:

What terrorist activities have been linked with Iran?

The U.S. government first listed Iran as a terrorist sponsor in 1984. Among its activities have been the following:

    * In November 1979, Iranian student revolutionaries widely thought to be linked to the Khomeini government occupied the American Embassy in Tehran. Iran held fifty-two Americans hostage for 444 days.
    * Observers say Iran had prior knowledge of Hezbollah attacks, such as the 1988 kidnapping and murder of Colonel William Higgins, a U.S. Marine involved in a U.N. observer mission in Lebanon, and the 1992 and 1994 bombings of Jewish cultural institutions in Argentina.
    * Iran still has a price on the head of the Indian-born British novelist Salman Rushdie for what Iranian leaders call blasphemous writings about Islam in his 1989 novel The Satanic Verses.
    * U.S. officials say Iran supported the group behind the 1996 truck bombing of Khobar Towers, a U.S. military residence in Saudi Arabia, which killed nineteen U.S. servicemen.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9362/

Slate wrote:

After the 1979 Islamic revolution, Tehran used a wide range of terrorist organizations to export its revolution and to assassinate Iranian dissidents around the globe. Tehran played a major role in forming Hezbollah and helping it conduct attacks in Lebanon, including such devastating strikes as the 1983 bombings of the U.S. Marine barracks and embassy, which together killed more than 300 people. Indeed, before 9/11, Hezbollah had killed more Americans than any other international terrorist organization. Iranian-backed groups also regularly attacked dissidents in Europe, countries that backed Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war, and the governments of pro-Western Arab states. Ten years ago, on June 26, 1996, Iranian-backed terrorists exploded a massive truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military housing project in Saudi Arabia, killing 19 Americans and one Saudi and wounding almost 400.

CameronPoe wrote:

san4 wrote:

Are you saying that Iran does not sponsor international terrorism? And they don't sponsor Hezbollah, which is bringing Syrian influence back into Lebanese politics?

Council on Foreign Relations wrote:

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I'm not saying that at all. They do sponsor terror in Palestine and Lebanon against their regional enemy Israel. 'What the fuck does USA have to do with that?' is what I'm saying. It's a regional issue. USA is fucking thousands of miles away from this particular part of the world. Iran and Syria couldn't properly attack USA even if it really wanted to.

You keep forgetting the old double-standard: Israel has nukes - Iran wants to defend itself from that threat, it needs a deterrent.

Please provide Olmerts threats of wiping Tehran off the face of the planet?

CameronPoe wrote:

The fact of the matter is that America has spoken: they elected the Democrat Party to power in the house and senate. They essentially rejected the failed policies of the Republican Party. Iran's ONLY crime is to have exercised complete independence and freedom from the USA since the Islamic Revolution: the point in time where the US lost their control over the vast natural resources of Iran. Ever since then a media campaign has sought to demonise Iran, which ordinary Americans shouldn't really care less about given how far a-fucking-way Iran is from them and given the US' vastly superior military (not that Iran would be stupid enough to attack the US). Just like Saddam-era Iraq (which never made an unprovoked attack on the US, it just invaded Kuwait), Iran has no plans to attack the US, a country more than 10,000 miles away. Remember those missing WMD anyone? Iran may want to attack Israel or at least defend itself from them but then again, if you had state terrorists with nuclear missiles at your doorstep wouldn't you? All this sabre-rattling by the US powers-that-be have alarmed Iran and driven them in this direction: towards the procurement of nuclear weapons. If you were a strategiser for Iran the very first thing you would point out is "We need nuclear weapons and fast!".

The Democrat party are rejecting the failed policies of aggression. They're trying something new. If it doesn't work well at least they tried. It won't be any skin of the US' nose. If there is something I've learned from the Northern Ireland peace process it's that sworn enemies must sit down with each other and talk at some point, sooner rather than later. The governments of Iran and Syria are not like your average band of Islamic fundamentalist terrorists that can't be reasoned with: THEY CAN BE REASONED WITH. Successive US administrations have driven Iran and Syria to become what they are today through fomenting suspicion and lack of trust since the 70s and before even. If they could build a little trust and come to some compromises then well wouldn't that be a good thing? You Republicans bring nothing to the table: blood, guts, gore and glory that's all. It has failed. This is not like WWII. There is no Normandy Beach landing. It is inappropriate to analogise using Neville Chamerlain in this instance.

PS Haven't the Republican administration engaged in diplomacy with North Korea? I love the hypocrisy.

PPS Neither Iran nor Syria can harm USA in any meaningful way, shape or form if domestic security is made paramount. I laugh at this ludicrous paranoia. Exploding White House. LOL. Get a fucking grip on reality people.

Please observe the map. Note how the US is far far away from the middle east. Look at how much bigger USA is than Syria and Iran. Airport security, border controls and maritime security are all you fucking need.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_ma … _pol02.jpg

This has got to be a real low point for you. "They're so far away! And so tiny!" is something that isolationists in America would have used before WWI and WWII. Of course we're not under dire threat of invasion from Iran. However, it would be extremely foolish for the West to just shut its ears and yell "La la la la" while Islamic fundamentalists take power across the Middle East. Nor can we just toss Israel to the dogs and kill any credence to the claim "Never again."

You're right in that Syria is certainly not an Islamic fundamentalist state, but they and Iran are fomenting a new wave of Islamic fundamentalists (Hezbollah, Iraqi terrorists) that could sweep across the Middle East. Without any Western influence in the Middle East, the crappy but non-actively fundamentalist governments would be swept up by fundamentalists. Sure, Syria or Iran may be pretty weak on their own. However, if fundamentalists take power and initiate cooperation between the Muslim countries, they'll go a long way in building up a military.